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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:27:31 AM

Mark Anderson

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If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:29:05 AM

Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

I love me some Easton Stick.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:31:20 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

Haven't they changed their style? No more Ron Dayne 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

More speed and less predictable.

It's changed a little bit. Penn State has been fun to watch the last couple of years. Why? Because their quarterback could make plays. The best game I saw all year was Iowa killing Ohio State. Why? Because their quarterback got hot.

Those things happen weekly in the Pac 12.

Watch the quarterback play today and tell me Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, Miami or TCU would be in the position they are today if they were playing in the Pac 12. They are all wildly inconsistent under center.

Why was Michigan so shitty this season? Awful at quarterback. The worst I have seen at Michigan in 20 years.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 12/2/2017 11:34:10 AM >

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:38:22 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

Haven't they changed their style? No more Ron Dayne 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

More speed and less predictable.

It's changed a little bit. Penn State has been fun to watch the last couple of years. Why? Because their quarterback could make plays. The best game I saw all year was Iowa killing Ohio State. Why? Because their quarterback got hot.

Those things happen weekly in the Pac 12.

Watch the quarterback play today and tell me Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, Miami or TCU would be in the position they are today if they were playing in the Pac 12. They are all wildly inconsistent under center.

Why was Michigan so shitty this season? Awful at quarterback. The worst I have seen at Michigan in 20 years.

Because most of the defenses are sub par to average.

Washington had all those stud defenders in 2016 and a hot QB and went into the playoff and got manhandled.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:43:34 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

Haven't they changed their style? No more Ron Dayne 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

More speed and less predictable.

It's changed a little bit. Penn State has been fun to watch the last couple of years. Why? Because their quarterback could make plays. The best game I saw all year was Iowa killing Ohio State. Why? Because their quarterback got hot.

Those things happen weekly in the Pac 12.

Watch the quarterback play today and tell me Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, Miami or TCU would be in the position they are today if they were playing in the Pac 12. They are all wildly inconsistent under center.

Why was Michigan so shitty this season? Awful at quarterback. The worst I have seen at Michigan in 20 years.

Because most of the defenses are sub par to average.

Washington had all those stud defenders in 2016 and a hot QB and went into the playoff and got manhandled.

Again, that's an old and tired excuse.

What happened to all the perceived great defenses in the Big Ten last season. Remember when Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan last year were supposed to have the greatest defenses in the country?

Clemson 31, Ohio State 0
USC 52, Penn State 49
Florida State 33, Michigan 32

It didn't work out so well for those perceived great defenses, did it? They faced good quarterbacks and got blasted.

And for what it's worth, Washington was down 17-7 against Alabama in the 4th quarter last season in the playoff. And Washington wasn't a great team whatsoever.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:48:52 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

Haven't they changed their style? No more Ron Dayne 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

More speed and less predictable.

It's changed a little bit. Penn State has been fun to watch the last couple of years. Why? Because their quarterback could make plays. The best game I saw all year was Iowa killing Ohio State. Why? Because their quarterback got hot.

Those things happen weekly in the Pac 12.

Watch the quarterback play today and tell me Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, Miami or TCU would be in the position they are today if they were playing in the Pac 12. They are all wildly inconsistent under center.

Why was Michigan so shitty this season? Awful at quarterback. The worst I have seen at Michigan in 20 years.

Because most of the defenses are sub par to average.

Washington had all those stud defenders in 2016 and a hot QB and went into the playoff and got manhandled.

Again, that's an old and tired excuse.

What happened to all the perceived great defenses in the Big Ten last season. Remember when Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan last year were supposed to have the greatest defenses in the country?

Clemson 31, Ohio State 0
USC 52, Penn State 49
Florida State 33, Michigan 32

It didn't work out so well for those perceived great defenses, did it?

Who's talking about the Big 10? It was the SEC(Alabama) who manhandled Washington that year.

QBs will post great numbers if they have WRs running free every Saturday. Not saying that the Pac12 won't put some QBs in the NFL in the next couple years but their numbers as a whole are inflated because of the crappy defense being played.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:52:26 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

Haven't they changed their style? No more Ron Dayne 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

More speed and less predictable.

It's changed a little bit. Penn State has been fun to watch the last couple of years. Why? Because their quarterback could make plays. The best game I saw all year was Iowa killing Ohio State. Why? Because their quarterback got hot.

Those things happen weekly in the Pac 12.

Watch the quarterback play today and tell me Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, Miami or TCU would be in the position they are today if they were playing in the Pac 12. They are all wildly inconsistent under center.

Why was Michigan so shitty this season? Awful at quarterback. The worst I have seen at Michigan in 20 years.

Because most of the defenses are sub par to average.

Washington had all those stud defenders in 2016 and a hot QB and went into the playoff and got manhandled.

Again, that's an old and tired excuse.

What happened to all the perceived great defenses in the Big Ten last season. Remember when Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan last year were supposed to have the greatest defenses in the country?

Clemson 31, Ohio State 0
USC 52, Penn State 49
Florida State 33, Michigan 32

It didn't work out so well for those perceived great defenses, did it?

Who's talking about the Big 10? It was the SEC(Alabama) who manhandled Washington that year.

QBs will post great numbers if they have WRs running free every Saturday. Not saying that the Pac12 won't put some QBs in the NFL in the next couple years but their numbers as a whole are inflated because of the crappy defense being played.

Washington was not a great team last season. You'll hear no argument from me on that one. They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter to Alabama. USC was a better team at the end of the year than Washington.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 11:58:54 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

I love me some Easton Stick.

Just looked it up.

NDSU goes to Oregon in 2020 so no Stick.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 12:00:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

I love me some Easton Stick.

Just looked it up.

NDSU goes to Oregon in 2020 so no Stick.

It'll be Trey Lance's team by then ....

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 12:16:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Let me tell ya, you should have seen this 87-67 game in 9 man HS football this year. Now THAT'S quality football. I expect 3-4 players from those teams to jump directly to the NFL.

< Message edited by thebigo -- 12/2/2017 12:18:46 PM >

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 12:17:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

And that's different from the Pac 12, how?

< Message edited by thebigo -- 12/2/2017 12:19:09 PM >

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 12:26:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Them and Memphis may combine for 120 today.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 12:36:55 PM

Brad H

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The only way to determine which conference is better is head-to-head competition. Any type of ranking is subject to bias. Getting a group of guys with a vested interest together to determine which four teams are worthy of a final four is ludicrous.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 1:00:26 PM

Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

And that's different from the Pac 12, how?

Not different. You have to be able to play on both sides of the ball to be a National Contender. UFC could score 70 points in a game and they still wouldn't be serious contenders with the defense they play. College football is an offensive game more than ever, and I guess that makes the product exciting, but you have to play on both sides of the ball.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 1:11:25 PM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

And that's different from the Pac 12, how?

Not different. You have to be able to play on both sides of the ball to be a National Contender. UFC could score 70 points in a game and they still wouldn't be serious contenders with the defense they play. College football is an offensive game more than ever, and I guess that makes the product exciting, but you have to play on both sides of the ball.

Which is why I have been saying, I don't see anything radically different in the top four this year from the next 5-7 teams after them.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 2:03:01 PM

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Baker Mayfield and the Sooners stretching it out over TCU ... 31-17 in the third.

41-17 now in the 4th

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 2:51:32 PM

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Congrats SteveO, DanO, ChrisO, and all the other Husker fanOs ...... your boy Frost is headed home.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 3:02:36 PM

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Congrats SteveO, DanO, ChrisO, and all the other Husker fanOs ...... your boy Frost is headed home.

THANKS!!!!!
It's freaking HUGE!!!!!!!

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 3:05:18 PM

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Baker Mayfield and the Sooners stretching it out over TCU ... 31-17 in the third.

41-17 now in the 4th

Mayfield can play some QB!

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 3:05:20 PM

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Congrats SteveO, DanO, ChrisO, and all the other Husker fanOs ...... your boy Frost is headed home.

THANKS!!!!!
It's freaking HUGE!!!!!!!

Dammit ....

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 3:06:01 PM

Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Congrats SteveO, DanO, ChrisO, and all the other Husker fanOs ...... your boy Frost is headed home.

THANKS!!!!!
It's freaking HUGE!!!!!!!

Dammit ....

I understand.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 3:31:32 PM

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Baker Mayfield and the Sooners stretching it out over TCU ... 31-17 in the third.

41-17 now in the 4th

Mayfield can play some QB!

Clinches the Heisman with a 4 TD day!
Happy to see the Sooners back in national title contention as well.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 5:04:29 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

I love me some Easton Stick.

Just looked it up.

NDSU goes to Oregon in 2020 so no Stick.

It'll be Trey Lance's team by then ....

The highlights look nice.

Nice size, big arm. Speed.

Hope he(Lance) is the real deal because young QB (Van Dellen)they were grooming just got booted from the team.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 5:05:21 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

I love me some Easton Stick.

Just looked it up.

NDSU goes to Oregon in 2020 so no Stick.

It'll be Trey Lance's team by then ....

How close are you to Marshall, MN?

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2017 5:12:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

If Wisconsin played in the Pac 12 they'd have 2-3 losses. That style of football wouldn't last against great quarterbacks.

The top 3 teams in the Big 10 are better than anything I've seen in the Pac 12.
You want to watch exciting and productive offense though watch UCF, they just can't play defense.

Just wait till the Easton Stick led Bison go into Oregon next year and knock them off.

I love me some Easton Stick.

Just looked it up.

NDSU goes to Oregon in 2020 so no Stick.

It'll be Trey Lance's team by then ....

How close are you to Marshall, MN?