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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 8:08:26 AM   
Jeff Jesser


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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

I've seen him make a lot of NFL throws. I really like the kid and he's a 1st rounder too me. Would another year at college hurt him, of course not, but he's a high 1st rounder that admittedly still has a lot to refine.



Good thoughts. I agree 1st rounder even if he comes out this year. IMO, in the limited i've seen, no way top 5, let alone #1 overall.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 8:10:45 AM   
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I don't think Darnold comes out. His stock will NEVER be lower.

He needs to come back and play like the stud he is, with a team that has more seasoning and depth.



I tend to agree.

Meanwhile, Barkley continues to be the most versatile, polished RB since Allen. And, he's stronger.



Best quick analysis I've heard came yesterday. "He's Marshall Faulk with a physical presence".

Pretty damn good company. Kid is a stud.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 8:36:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

Not gonna lie, I didn't see any of the game. I was in-between road trips and never paid attention. Only thing I saw was the final score.

It will be interesting to see what Darnold does. Josh Rosen is a very talented kid with all the mechanics the NFL scouts are looking for. Darnold is more of a gunslinger, which can sometimes lead to turnovers and poor decisions. The bottom line is, I'll take a gunslinger/risk-taker over a book worm any day of the week.

As I've been saying all season long, USC was not a talented team this year. Maybe the worst set of wide receivers I've seen in a few decades. The offensive line was not very good. The defense was decent, but Darnold was forced to try and score on every set of downs to keep pace with opponents. It leads to turnovers and (perceived) bad decisions. At the end of the day, he's got a great arm, tremendous pocket presence, great vision and good footwork. If there is one thing I'd like to see more from Darnold it would be his leadership skills. He's not a very vocal guy and mild-mannered. I'd like my leader to be a bit more demanding of the guys around him.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 6:34:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

Not gonna lie, I didn't see any of the game. I was in-between road trips and never paid attention. Only thing I saw was the final score.

It will be interesting to see what Darnold does. Josh Rosen is a very talented kid with all the mechanics the NFL scouts are looking for. Darnold is more of a gunslinger, which can sometimes lead to turnovers and poor decisions. The bottom line is, I'll take a gunslinger/risk-taker over a book worm any day of the week.

As I've been saying all season long, USC was not a talented team this year. Maybe the worst set of wide receivers I've seen in a few decades. The offensive line was not very good. The defense was decent, but Darnold was forced to try and score on every set of downs to keep pace with opponents. It leads to turnovers and (perceived) bad decisions. At the end of the day, he's got a great arm, tremendous pocket presence, great vision and good footwork. If there is one thing I'd like to see more from Darnold it would be his leadership skills. He's not a very vocal guy and mild-mannered. I'd like my leader to be a bit more demanding of the guys around him.

I thought you said you would have USC as a final 4 team?

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 6:44:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

Not gonna lie, I didn't see any of the game. I was in-between road trips and never paid attention. Only thing I saw was the final score.

It will be interesting to see what Darnold does. Josh Rosen is a very talented kid with all the mechanics the NFL scouts are looking for. Darnold is more of a gunslinger, which can sometimes lead to turnovers and poor decisions. The bottom line is, I'll take a gunslinger/risk-taker over a book worm any day of the week.

As I've been saying all season long, USC was not a talented team this year. Maybe the worst set of wide receivers I've seen in a few decades. The offensive line was not very good. The defense was decent, but Darnold was forced to try and score on every set of downs to keep pace with opponents. It leads to turnovers and (perceived) bad decisions. At the end of the day, he's got a great arm, tremendous pocket presence, great vision and good footwork. If there is one thing I'd like to see more from Darnold it would be his leadership skills. He's not a very vocal guy and mild-mannered. I'd like my leader to be a bit more demanding of the guys around him.

I thought you said you would have USC as a final 4 team?

Busted
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 7:25:56 PM   
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Good college games tomorrow. It should be a nice football weekend coming up with NFL playoff games on Saturday and Sunday with a college championship game on Monday. None involve our Vikings, which of course is great. Just we can relax and enjoy football.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/31/2017 8:36:06 PM   
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Sounds like Barkley will be entering the draft
Changes the B10 landscape, if not the entire country's.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 9:14:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

Not gonna lie, I didn't see any of the game. I was in-between road trips and never paid attention. Only thing I saw was the final score.

It will be interesting to see what Darnold does. Josh Rosen is a very talented kid with all the mechanics the NFL scouts are looking for. Darnold is more of a gunslinger, which can sometimes lead to turnovers and poor decisions. The bottom line is, I'll take a gunslinger/risk-taker over a book worm any day of the week.

As I've been saying all season long, USC was not a talented team this year. Maybe the worst set of wide receivers I've seen in a few decades. The offensive line was not very good. The defense was decent, but Darnold was forced to try and score on every set of downs to keep pace with opponents. It leads to turnovers and (perceived) bad decisions. At the end of the day, he's got a great arm, tremendous pocket presence, great vision and good footwork. If there is one thing I'd like to see more from Darnold it would be his leadership skills. He's not a very vocal guy and mild-mannered. I'd like my leader to be a bit more demanding of the guys around him.

I thought you said you would have USC as a final 4 team?

I thought it was a good year for an 8-team playoff. I don't think they would get embarrassed by any of the final four teams. The same could be said for Ohio Strate and Penn State, IMO.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 9:19:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

Not gonna lie, I didn't see any of the game. I was in-between road trips and never paid attention. Only thing I saw was the final score.

It will be interesting to see what Darnold does. Josh Rosen is a very talented kid with all the mechanics the NFL scouts are looking for. Darnold is more of a gunslinger, which can sometimes lead to turnovers and poor decisions. The bottom line is, I'll take a gunslinger/risk-taker over a book worm any day of the week.

As I've been saying all season long, USC was not a talented team this year. Maybe the worst set of wide receivers I've seen in a few decades. The offensive line was not very good. The defense was decent, but Darnold was forced to try and score on every set of downs to keep pace with opponents. It leads to turnovers and (perceived) bad decisions. At the end of the day, he's got a great arm, tremendous pocket presence, great vision and good footwork. If there is one thing I'd like to see more from Darnold it would be his leadership skills. He's not a very vocal guy and mild-mannered. I'd like my leader to be a bit more demanding of the guys around him.

I thought you said you would have USC as a final 4 team?

Busted

I'm pretty sure I've been honest about USC all season long. I have admitted flaws throughout.

I thought this was a great year for an 8-team playoff. I thought they wouldn't get embarrassed by any of the top-4 teams and thought that either them, Ohio State or Penn State would have created a great match-up for any of the final four teams on any given Saturday. Given the schedule USC played, they had a better resume than Alabama. So did Ohio State and Penn State.

Alabama making the final four was equal to a sponsorship exemption on the PGA Tour. And truth is, with four weeks off, it wouldn't shock me if they beat Clemson. But lets not pretend like Alabama did anything on the field to deserve a final four appearance. They played one very good team all season and lost, CONVINCINGLY.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 10:12:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Nothing but total respect for Sam Darnold as a QB and as a man. He will be a very good NFL player.
He didn't take care of the ball tonight and just doesn't see a defense that plays like Ohio State.
Pac 12 really struggling.

USC battled the best they could but pretty much over matched physically.



I've gotta ask again, and welcome Steve and Brad's input because all of you probably know more than I do. Why? I've seen Darold play about 3 full games this year. I realize that's not a full resume so my opinion should be limited. That being said, he's been the same guy. Crap decisions and not that
impressive. NFL guy, sure. #1 overall?

I don't see it. He's looked like a hyped up #1 who should go 3-5 round. I've appreciated Brad's input but he does (willing to admit or not) have a USC bias. If this guy went to OSU what is the opinion? Forget the "he has no WR's" talk for a minute. Neither did ML and he sucked. At some point you can't make shit decisions and turn it over.

Not gonna lie, I didn't see any of the game. I was in-between road trips and never paid attention. Only thing I saw was the final score.

It will be interesting to see what Darnold does. Josh Rosen is a very talented kid with all the mechanics the NFL scouts are looking for. Darnold is more of a gunslinger, which can sometimes lead to turnovers and poor decisions. The bottom line is, I'll take a gunslinger/risk-taker over a book worm any day of the week.

As I've been saying all season long, USC was not a talented team this year. Maybe the worst set of wide receivers I've seen in a few decades. The offensive line was not very good. The defense was decent, but Darnold was forced to try and score on every set of downs to keep pace with opponents. It leads to turnovers and (perceived) bad decisions. At the end of the day, he's got a great arm, tremendous pocket presence, great vision and good footwork. If there is one thing I'd like to see more from Darnold it would be his leadership skills. He's not a very vocal guy and mild-mannered. I'd like my leader to be a bit more demanding of the guys around him.

I thought you said you would have USC as a final 4 team?

Busted

I'm pretty sure I've been honest about USC all season long. I have admitted flaws throughout.

I thought this was a great year for an 8-team playoff. I thought they wouldn't get embarrassed by any of the top-4 teams and thought that either them, Ohio State or Penn State would have created a great match-up for any of the final four teams on any given Saturday. Given the schedule USC played, they had a better resume than Alabama. So did Ohio State and Penn State.

Alabama making the final four was equal to a sponsorship exemption on the PGA Tour. And truth is, with four weeks off, it wouldn't shock me if they beat Clemson. But lets not pretend like Alabama did anything on the field to deserve a final four appearance. They played one very good team all season and lost, CONVINCINGLY.

The Big 10 was just really strong at the top. They beat each other and kept themselves from being in the final 4. Both Penn state and Ohio State could beat anyone on any given day. Neither you or I are fans of Wisconsin, but they play good sound defense and have a great TE and a great frosh RB. I was confident they could handle Miami.
Your theory on the team with the better QB winning is often correct, but I thought the PAC 12 didn't measure up defensively this year and that would be their downfall.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 2:42:37 PM   
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Harbaugh is an idiot. Good luck with that lifetime contract stuff
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 3:42:56 PM   
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UCF and Coach Frost are the College Football Story of the year!

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 4:06:47 PM   
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How a program like LSU can't recruit a capable kicker is the biggest mystery in all the world. That was embarrassing.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 4:08:18 PM   
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UCF and Coach Frost are the College Football Story of the year!

You guys got a good one.

I always wondered if Craig Bohl would get the chance to coach Nebraska. It's looking like it won't happen.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 5:40:07 PM   
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It may not be a popular idea based on his past but I would draft Mayfield in a heartbeat. That kid has super moxie and is a winner.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 7:15:28 PM   
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It may not be a popular idea based on his past but I would draft Mayfield in a heartbeat. That kid has super moxie and is a winner.

Love that kid.
But I'm still recovering from JFD so I'll keep my mouth shut on him for awhile.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 7:59:05 PM   
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OT!
Boomer! Sooners!
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 8:05:29 PM   
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Was hoping Wiscy would be the first B10 team to lay an egg, but they were not.
Did enjoy that Michigan got it done.
Harbaugh thought he'd be counting Natty Championships by now. Nope.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 8:11:31 PM   
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Tied again
At 48
On to the next OT
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 8:17:37 PM   
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Blocking a FG near the line of scrimmage is one of the more amazing things a football player can accomplish.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 8:20:13 PM   
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Georgia moves on ...
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 8:21:50 PM   
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Not a fan, but very happy for UGA. Every time I've watched them they've lost the game to get into THE game.

Playing for the championship at home. Awesome.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 8:33:30 PM   
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Playing for the championship at home.

That sounds fun.
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 9:18:36 PM   
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UCF and Coach Frost are the College Football Story of the year!



Only to somebody from Nebraska.
The rest of the country is Meh, cool I guess.

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No one cares.
The losing?
No one cares.

Not the players
Not the Coaches
Not Dick and Bert
Not the Owners
Not the Front Office
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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 1/1/2018 9:24:04 PM   
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UCF and Coach Frost are the College Football Story of the year!



Only to somebody from Nebraska.
The rest of the country is Meh, cool I guess.

The kid missing a hand is way cool.
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