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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

It's very possible this year that by the time the playoffs occur FSU will not have played a single top 25 team.

Well then imagine how pissed you'd be if a bunch of ACC teams all started highly ranked, only to play their way put of the Top25 after FSU beat them.

That is what those of us outside of the SEC fanbase face.

LSU
Georgia
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Mississippi
Ole Miss
Miss St
Auburn
Alabama

have all been ranked in the Top 10 this year.
Collectively, they have 18 losses between them.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

It's very possible this year that by the time the playoffs occur FSU will not have played a single top 25 team.

Well then imagine how pissed you'd be if a bunch of ACC teams all started highly ranked, only to play their way put of the Top25 after FSU beat them.

That is what those of us outside of the SEC fanbase face.

LSU
Georgia
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Mississippi
Ole Miss
Miss St
Auburn
Alabama

have all been ranked in the Top 10 this year.
Collectively, they have a 18 losses between them.

I'm not in the SEC fanbase. Skilz is not in the SEC fanbase. We're of the opinion that the SEC is easily the strongest NCAA football conference going.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Those are the last 8 title games, Murf. There's no way around that. There just isn't. EVEN if you stretch it to 16 years and say "well, they've only won 9 out of the last 16" do you realize what you're saying? You're saying the SEC has won more than all the other conferences combined in the last 16 years. And the gap has only grown larger over the last 8. So I don't see how you are continuing to argue that any other conference is comparable. Head to head matchups create all kinds of problems because you're not placing a conference's 1 vs. another conference's 1, etc. Bowl games you have the same issue, especially when there's so much depth in the SEC. Titles and NFL talent speak volume, and the SEC has been dominating in both categories the last several years.

As for the committee, "East" is not "SEC".

The Chair, Jeff Long, is not from the SEC, and doesn't really have SEC ties. He has a ton of BigEast/ACC/Big10 ties.
Barry Alvarez: clearly a Big10 guy.
Lt. General Mike Gould: Air Force. No real ties elsewhere.
Pat Haden; clearly a Pac12 guy.
Tom Jernstedt: clearly a Pac12 guy. Oregon through and through.
Oliver Luck: a West Virginia and Texas guy. Big12. And a high-profile son that was obviously a Pac12 guy.
Archie is not a part of it.
Tom Osborne: Clearly a Big10/Big12 guy.
Dan Radakovich: Experience everywhere really, but mainly in the BigEast/ACC
Condoleeza Rice: Stanford is clearly her biggest connection. If anything, certainly Pac12.
Mike Tranghese: About as big of a BigEast homer as you can get.
Steve Wieberg: Missouri guy. So I guess you could say SEC, though his history has mainly been in the Big12.
Tyrone Willingham: Almost all of his tenure in the Pac12 or Big10, or Notre Dame (midwest)

By my count that is:
Pac12: 3 1/2
Big12: 2
Big10: 2 1/2
ACC: 2 1/2
SEC: 1/2
Neutral: 1 (AF guy)

Again, you can maybe argue 1 guy on the whole committee with SEC ties. And that's tenuous at best. Almost all of the committee is Pac12/Big10/Big12/ACC. So where's the SEC bias? If anything there's an anti-SEC bias there.

And clearly so far this committee sees the SEC as the dominant conference.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

It's very possible this year that by the time the playoffs occur FSU will not have played a single top 25 team.

Well then imagine how pissed you'd be if a bunch of ACC teams all started highly ranked, only to play their way put of the Top25 after FSU beat them.

That is what those of us outside of the SEC fanbase face.

LSU
Georgia
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Mississippi
Ole Miss
Miss St
Auburn
Alabama

have all been ranked in the Top 10 this year.
Collectively, they have a 18 losses between them.

I'm not in the SEC fanbase. Skilz is not in the SEC fanbase. We're of the opinion that the SEC is easily the strongest NCAA football conference going.

This. I liken it to the Spurs in basketball. I've hated them for most of my basketball fandom. But I can still respect that they're the best going.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

It's very possible this year that by the time the playoffs occur FSU will not have played a single top 25 team.

Well then imagine how pissed you'd be if a bunch of ACC teams all started highly ranked, only to play their way put of the Top25 after FSU beat them.

That is what those of us outside of the SEC fanbase face.

LSU
Georgia
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Mississippi
Ole Miss
Miss St
Auburn
Alabama

have all been ranked in the Top 10 this year.
Collectively, they have a 18 losses between them.

I'm not in the SEC fanbase. Skilz is not in the SEC fanbase. We're of the opinion that the SEC is easily the strongest NCAA football conference going.

This. I liken it to the Spurs in basketball. I've hated them for most of my basketball fandom. But I can still respect that they're the best going.

Apples and Oranges.
The Spurs do not start the season ranked very high and play only teams from their division, who also happen to be ranked very highly, and then get invited to the NBA Finals.

Oh no, the Spurs actually play it out.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Whoops. My bad, Murf. I thought it was a smaller, non-FBS school. You're right. So 1 1/2 SEC. He has had a ton of experience in the Big10/ACC/BigEast though. The majority of his career has been in those places.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

No doubt, Murf. And I'm glad we can debate it without it devolving.

An 8 team playoff will certainly solve a lot. Though I think you'll always see at least 3 SEC teams in any 8 team playoff. I'm not a huge fan of automatic bids in general. If the ACC is really, really weak, well, they don't deserve a team. Ditto for any conference.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

No doubt, Murf. And I'm glad we can debate it without it devolving.

An 8 team playoff will certainly solve a lot. Though I think you'll always see at least 3 SEC teams in any 8 team playoff. I'm not a huge fan of automatic bids in general. If the ACC is really, really weak, well, they don't deserve a team. Ditto for any conference.

Maybe, but a Conference Champ should not be punished for a weak conference.
Sometimes a team comes out of conference play clearly ahead of everyone else.

Also look at the past two Basketball champs, Uconn and Louisville.

Neither were favorites coming in nor would they have been picked by a committee for inclusion in either a 2 or 4 team playoff game.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

But why? The whole point of a championship is to crown the best team. So if 3 of the 6 or 8 or 16 best teams come from one conference, so be it. Why reward bad conferences?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

But why? The whole point of a championship is to crown the best team. So if 3 of the 6 or 8 or 16 best teams come from one conference, so be it. Why reward bad conferences?

Those teams in that conference play each other all year and then have a championship game. So you want to do it again just because they're the SEC

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

But why? The whole point of a championship is to crown the best team. So if 3 of the 6 or 8 or 16 best teams come from one conference, so be it. Why reward bad conferences?

Those teams in that conference play each other all year and then have a championship game. So you want to do it again just because they're the SEC

I could care less about the SEC. I'm making an argument for the system. I'd say the same if the Pac12 was the best conference, or the ACC, or the Big 10, or whoever. I just want the best teams to win. That's all.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I don't think we will find out that answer anytime soon.

But, no, in theory I'd prefer to see a two team cap per conference. And that is w/8 team playoff

Currently, their talking two SEC teams in a four team playoff. No Good

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ORIGINAL: Art

Oregon moving ahead of the undefeated defending champs tells you all you need to know about how voting as a criteria for a playoff spot is all wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Art

Oregon moving ahead of the undefeated defending champs tells you all you need to know about how voting as a criteria for a playoff spot is all wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Art

Oregon moving ahead of the undefeated defending champs tells you all you need to know about how voting as a criteria for a playoff spot is all wrong.

That particular decision doesn't bother me. Whether number 2 or 3, it wouldn't change the for-now matchup against Oregon. Should they beat Miami, I expect them to re-take number 2 from Oregon, unless Miss St loses to Bama. Then they'll vault to 1.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

Hard and fast rules don't work with a limited field, nor do won-lost records. Unfortunately for Art, it takes a thoughtful selection process with frank analysis. I know out here, there were a couple of years where the conference (PAC 10) was weak but USC was clearly one of the best few teams in the country. The same thing could be happening in the Big 10 this year if Ohio State turns out to be a really good team who had one bad game against a decent team. At the same time, it's ludicrous that TCU is ahead of a team with the same record that it lost to and ahead of a team with the same record (Alabama) that has played a much tougher schedule. I couldn't give a shit if they score a lot of points---they would be undefeated if they weren't one of the few teams that has given up over 60. In fact, that might be a rule I could get with: Give up over 60----60---points and you cannot advance. But the fact is that like almost everything in college football, a lot of this will be a financial calculation: viewers like offense, some teams bring a lot more spending fans with them, let's have celebrity fans on the panel (Condaleeza Rice?), etc.

But for God's sake, don't let a kid trade his Auto Zone Bowl watch for a tattoo.