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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/14/2014 12:05:35 PM

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I've been to Iron Bowls in three different decades.

So wadda you sayin' ... you're old?

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/14/2014 12:55:32 PM

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I've been to Iron Bowls in three different decades.

So wadda you sayin' ... you're old?

The mind of a child, the knees of an octogenarian.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/14/2014 2:10:08 PM

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I've been to Iron Bowls in three different decades.

So wadda you sayin' ... you're old?

The mind of a child, the knees of an octogenarian.

Ok I have to admit I looked up "Octogenarian"..

I believe they changed the term for someone with bad knees to "Odenarian"..

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/14/2014 2:39:32 PM

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I just assumed it was the doc that treated MMA fighters after they get all beat up.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 10:00:42 AM

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I don't get why people get so worked up about best conference discussions.

We have finally made some progress in formulating an on-field answer to who the best team is, we will never be able to do that with conferences. Why would we?

SEC football is a different breed. It really is. Sometimes the teams underachieve, but it is never for a lack of talent.

I've been to Iron Bowls in three different decades. Still the best non-Bowl, Bowl game in the nation. Hell, for that matter, the Egg Bowl, often meaningless in terms of determining a National Champion, is one of the most insane, passionate, exciting, great football games of the year.

If you haven't been, you go to Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, Starkville, Baton Rouge, Oxford or Athens, and I bet you will have a completely different opinion and understanding of SEC football.

Again, I respectfully disagree. The fan bases in the SEC are amazing. Nobody questions that. However, when it comes to football, the difference between the SEC and the Pac 12 is minimal when it comes to results. The Pac 10/12 was .500 against the SEC during the BCS era. There is no spinning results when you have a large sample size. The hype, however, was one-sided.

Now, in terms of styles, there is a huge difference. The SEC has always been a great defensive conference. If you look over the past 15 years, however, the teams that have risen from the SEC to win titles have been the ones that could muster some offense (often times quirky, but effective). Florida with Tebow. Auburn with Newton. Bama with all their running backs. LSU with Jamarcus Russell for a couple of seasons. The mentality in the SEC has become...put 20 points on the board and see if it will stick.

The bottom line is, if a program is going to be a factor for a national title, they are going to need to have solid quarterback play. It doesn't have to be great, but it has to be solid in crunch time. The SEC has a very small gathering of good quarterbacks this season. Outside of Prescott, Wallace and Sims, the cupboards are pretty bare. And truth be told, I'm not sure any of those guys are going to become household names on Sunday.

I know it is early, but I like what I see from the committee so far. I think Ole Miss scheduling Florida State to start the season is a sign that SEC schools are getting the message. They can no longer claim to play a great schedule by scheduling The Citadel, Florida A&M and Presbyterian College. They are also looking at going from seven to eight conference games. IMO, they shouldn't even have a say in it. If they don't like it, leave the conference. You can't have it both ways. Nobody is forcing them to play in the SEC. Personally, I think they should have to play every team in the conference. Can you imagine a season where the Red Sox don't play the Yankees?

It wasn't long ago that Georgia was a highly-ranked team. Look at their schedule. Clemson (W) decent team, South Carolina (L) shit team, Troy (W) shit team, Tennessee (W) shit team, Vanderbilt (W) shit team, Missouri (W) decent team, Arkansas (W) shit team, Florida (L) shit team, Kentucky (W) shit team. They finally get a legit opponent this week with Auburn before finishing with Charleston Southern (shit team) and Georgia Tech (solid program). In essence, they have gone 7-2 playing a pretty poor schedule. Conversely, Ohio State has gone 8-1 against a similar schedule and has never sniffed the top-5. Michigan State is a far superior program to anything Georgia has faced all season.

Nobody questions the top two or three teams in the SEC. The problem is, nobody ever makes light of the eight shitty teams in the conference.

Don't even get me started on the travel thing. Some of these programs haven't traveled more than 500 miles for a non-conference game in a decade.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 10:54:24 AM

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Well said, we've said it all before, but it falls on deaf ears.
The SEC has a confidence problem.
They talk big, but their actions are like that of someone who is very insecure.
They will start scheduling known programs now, but it will be Syracuse, Indiana and Kansas.

In other words, basketball schools.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 11:14:22 AM

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Well said, we've said it all before, but it falls on deaf ears.
The SEC has a confidence problem.
They talk big, but their actions are like that of someone who is very insecure.
They will start scheduling known programs now, but it will be Syracuse, Indiana and Kansas.

In other words, basketball schools.

That's funny. Because that's exactly how you come off in your desperate attempts to prop up the Pac 10.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 11:17:42 AM

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Well said, we've said it all before, but it falls on deaf ears.
The SEC has a confidence problem.
They talk big, but their actions are like that of someone who is very insecure.
They will start scheduling known programs now, but it will be Syracuse, Indiana and Kansas.

In other words, basketball schools.

That's funny. Because that's exactly how you come off in your desperate attempts to prop up the Pac 10.

Todd, don't be a tool.
Hard for you I know, but try.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 11:19:53 AM

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Well said, we've said it all before, but it falls on deaf ears.
The SEC has a confidence problem.
They talk big, but their actions are like that of someone who is very insecure.
They will start scheduling known programs now, but it will be Syracuse, Indiana and Kansas.

In other words, basketball schools.

That's funny. Because that's exactly how you come off in your desperate attempts to prop up the Pac 10.

I have been vouching for Big 10 and Big 12 and ACC FSU as well as the PAC-12
By the way, Old, irrelevant man, it's the PAC-12.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 11:38:55 AM

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Looks like the rout is on in Minneapolis.
That will help Ohio State but hurt TCU.

I'm still hoping for
Alabama
Oregon
Ohio State
Florida State

and TCU if anyone stumbles.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 11:47:37 AM

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On a recruiting side note, Oregon has a Verbal Commitment from Minnesota's #2 recruit, OL/DL Drayton Carlberg as well as 2016 #1 recruit QB Seth Green.
Oregon coach Mark Helfrich has placed way more focus on recruiting than Chip Kelly did.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 12:03:25 PM

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Biggest game in recent U of M history and huge swaths of empty seats. Hopefully this puts an end to the lie that Minnesotans want to watch football outdoors in bad weather.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 12:14:13 PM

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Biggest game in recent U of M history and huge swaths of empty seats. Hopefully this puts an end to the lie that Minnesotans want to watch football outdoors in bad weather.

They do want to. On TV.
Former, Native Minnesotans such as myself also want to watch it on TV.

They just need to wn.
Winning will fill up those seats.
Even if they peak at the level Wisconsin has reached in the past 20 or so years, people will come.
What killed the student fan base at the U in my and most opinions was the Dome.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 12:17:58 PM

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Biggest game in recent U of M history and huge swaths of empty seats. Hopefully this puts an end to the lie that Minnesotans want to watch football outdoors in bad weather.

They do want to. On TV.
Former, Native Minnesotans such as myself also want to watch it on TV.

They just need to wn.
Winning will fill up those seats.
Even if they peak at the level Wisconsin has reached in the past 20 or so years, people will come.
What killed the student fan base at the U in my and most opinions was the Dome.

There was never a student base to speak of and they've been back on campus on their precious, expensive little stadium for several years now. There hasn't been a bigger game in decades, and massive numbers of empty seats----it looked like almost the entire upper deck on TV.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 12:28:06 PM

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Biggest game in recent U of M history and huge swaths of empty seats. Hopefully this puts an end to the lie that Minnesotans want to watch football outdoors in bad weather.

They do want to. On TV.
Former, Native Minnesotans such as myself also want to watch it on TV.

They just need to wn.
Winning will fill up those seats.
Even if they peak at the level Wisconsin has reached in the past 20 or so years, people will come.
What killed the student fan base at the U in my and most opinions was the Dome.

There was never a student base to speak of and they've been back on campus on their precious, expensive little stadium for several years now. There hasn't been a bigger game in decades, and massive numbers of empty seats----it looked like almost the entire upper deck on TV.

There must have been in the '40s I would think.
Gophers have stormed back.
It looks like a good time in the stands.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 12:41:40 PM

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Looks like the rout is on in Minneapolis.
That will help Ohio State but hurt TCU.

Good call.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 12:56:54 PM

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On a recruiting side note, Oregon has a Verbal Commitment from Minnesota's #2 recruit, OL/DL Drayton Carlberg as well as 2016 #1 recruit QB Seth Green.
Oregon coach Mark Helfrich has placed way more focus on recruiting than Chip Kelly did.

That's interesting. I know you're a huge Ducks fan, so I trust you on this, but I thought Kelly was a pretty good recruiter. What do people think of Helfrich out there? I've heard there may be some worries he isn't the guy to keep you guys at the elite level.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 1:49:55 PM

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On a recruiting side note, Oregon has a Verbal Commitment from Minnesota's #2 recruit, OL/DL Drayton Carlberg as well as 2016 #1 recruit QB Seth Green.
Oregon coach Mark Helfrich has placed way more focus on recruiting than Chip Kelly did.

That's interesting. I know you're a huge Ducks fan, so I trust you on this, but I thought Kelly was a pretty good recruiter. What do people think of Helfrich out there? I've heard there may be some worries he isn't the guy to keep you guys at the elite level.

Chip Kelly had a couple of policies that hurt recruiting.

#1, He wouldn't accept a commitment until a player visited the campus.
#2 He would't let a verbal commited player, make any other official visits.

Both of these policies cost them players they otherwise might have had.
The other thing that hurt was that for a year when he was the Offensive Coordinator as well as his last two years at Oregon, there was the threat of him leaving, which opposing coaches used tactically against Oregon.
They are also recruiting much bigger players than in years past and not just on the lines, but also at WR, CB, and RB.
The starting RB is now 235lbs, the WRs are 6'5 wnd 6'2.
Against Auburn, the RB was 180lbs and the WRs were smaller in one case and slower in the other.
This trend may have occured under Kelly anyways, but it is a focus now.
They have 16 commits in Novemebr where in years past they had 6-8 at this point in time.
They also actively seek out Team Captains, regardless of star ratings.
Team Captains tend to have more maturity, leadership and dedication.

There were and still are concerns about Helfrich, but those fears seem to be subsiding week by week.
The fear is that he might be too nice, but he is an Oregon boy from a well known Oregon family with deep, deep roots.

There will be a drop off at QB next year, but team depth and oveall skill level has never been better.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 2:26:00 PM

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I'm predicting a big win for Alabama over Miss State sticking to my belief that the SEC has one or two really good teams and a bunch more that are average.
What will be interesting is what will happen to the Bulldogs after they lose today.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 2:27:42 PM

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I'm proud of the Gophers, they are better than I thought they were.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 2:29:35 PM

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I think it's possible that JT Barrett is better than Toni Braxton Miller

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 2:58:32 PM

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On a recruiting side note, Oregon has a Verbal Commitment from Minnesota's #2 recruit, OL/DL Drayton Carlberg as well as 2016 #1 recruit QB Seth Green.
Oregon coach Mark Helfrich has placed way more focus on recruiting than Chip Kelly did.

That's interesting. I know you're a huge Ducks fan, so I trust you on this, but I thought Kelly was a pretty good recruiter. What do people think of Helfrich out there? I've heard there may be some worries he isn't the guy to keep you guys at the elite level.

Chip Kelly had a couple of policies that hurt recruiting.

#1, He wouldn't accept a commitment until a player visited the campus.
#2 He would't let a verbal commited player, make any other official visits.

Both of these policies cost them players they otherwise might have had.
The other thing that hurt was that for a year when he was the Offensive Coordinator as well as his last two years at Oregon, there was the threat of him leaving, which opposing coaches used tactically against Oregon.
They are also recruiting much bigger players than in years past and not just on the lines, but also at WR, CB, and RB.
The starting RB is now 235lbs, the WRs are 6'5 wnd 6'2.
Against Auburn, the RB was 180lbs and the WRs were smaller in one case and slower in the other.
This trend may have occured under Kelly anyways, but it is a focus now.
They have 16 commits in Novemebr where in years past they had 6-8 at this point in time.
They also actively seek out Team Captains, regardless of star ratings.
Team Captains tend to have more maturity, leadership and dedication.

There were and still are concerns about Helfrich, but those fears seem to be subsiding week by week.
The fear is that he might be too nice, but he is an Oregon boy from a well known Oregon family with deep, deep roots.

There will be a drop off at QB next year, but team depth and oveall skill level has never been better.

Thanks for the reply. I'm sure there will be some dropoff at QB (Mariota is the best in the nation) but it shouldn't be too hard to recruit QBs to play in that system. Will be interesting to follow the Green kid from MN and see how he does out West.

I actually think Oregon has a pretty good shot of being the #1 seed in the playoff. I think someone is going to trip up FSU, and it could be tonight.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 3:00:42 PM

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I think it's possible that JT Barrett is better than Toni Braxton Miller

I think it's possible now, and not even debatable by this time next year. Much better passer and not much of a dropoff as a runner. Seems like a pretty good leader as well.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 5:39:54 PM

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Bo Pelini said never again would his defense get gashed vs Wisconsin.

He has to go, Gordon has broken the FBS record for rushing yards in 3 quarters!

Gordon might not be your typical Wisconsin RB who struggles in the NFL, he might just stake a strong Heisman claim.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 11/15/2014 5:40:48 PM

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Gordon has broke the all time college football single game rushing record and Wisconsin is dominating Nebraska again.
The Big 10 title game is going to be a great game.

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