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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2013 1:35:53 PM   
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????
I'm asking for the slightest attitude change.
Where does that equal ... WS contender?
Simply remove the wart we have that doesn't grow, change, or get better. It just sits there. Its a wart.
No expectations at all.
CHANGE the dead atmosphere.



Right.

When your goal is to contend....

A change is needed.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2013 3:32:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Nationals have released Roger Bernadina following the acquisition of David DeJesus, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter).

Bernadina, 29, is batting .179/.247/.270 with a pair of homers and three steals in 167 plate appearances this season. He's capable of handling all three outfield positions, though he hasn't graded out as a plus defender in center over the course of his career. Bernadina was earning $1.21MM this season after his first year of arbitration eligibility, so a non-tender seemed inevitable given his lack of production.

Figures

This guy was supposedly 1 piece of the trade when they were pursuing Drew Storen a couple of years ago.

They sure can scout big leauguers

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2013 3:33:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Nationals have acquired David DeJesus from the Cubs in exchange for a player to be named later, the team has announced via press release. The Nationals reportedly claimed DeJesus off waivers before working out a trade with Chicago. In order to clear roster space for their newest acquisition, the Nationals released fellow outfielder Roger Bernadina.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2013 5:04:46 PM   
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Not kidding.


26.
to
19.

Ummmm, okay. 

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2013 10:18:36 PM   
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The Twins jump from #26 up to #19 in ESPNs power poll this week.


Not kidding.


26.
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19.

Ummmm, okay. 


Based upon what exactly?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 7:24:25 AM   
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The Twins jump from #26 up to #19 in ESPNs power poll this week.


Not kidding.


26.
to
19.

Ummmm, okay. 


Based upon what exactly?


Andrew Albers, basically. That was their one-sentence reasoning.
(great in-depth study, ESPN ... how'd that work out?)

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 7:31:57 AM   
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Twins
54-68



+7

Last Week: 26
Pitcher Andrew Albers, who was called up earlier this month, looks to be a bright spot. The left-hander has compiled a 2-1 record with a 1.85 ERA in three starts. -- ESPN.com

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 8:18:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Twins have interest in Cuban shortstop Alexander Guerrero, and according to KSTP and 1500ESPN contributor Darren Wolfson, the Twins are one of four teams that remain in the mix.

"We like him," Mike Radcliff told Wolfson three weeks ago. "We have guys watching him. We're still looking at him."

Other teams in on the mix, per a source close to the negotiations, are the Red Sox, Dodgers, and Braves. The Reds have also checked in, according to Wolfson, but are less likely to sign the Cuban prospect than the other four aforementioned teams.

Guerrero, 26, has already defected from Cuba and is in the United States. He is waiting for the U.S. government to unblock him so he can pursue a professional contract.

Allegedly, Boston is now out.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 8:21:37 AM   
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Crappy team, need a side show.


Elmore 14th in history to catch, pitch

Astros infielder Jake Elmore got behind the plate in the fourth, then pitched for Houston in the eighth. It was the 14th time that a player appeared as a catcher and a pitcher in the same game.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:04:35 PM   
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Big day for Cano
200th career homer

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:12:50 PM   
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Yanks come back to beat the Jays
Big day for Cano
200th career homer


William's favorite Yank.

Becoming mine as well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:19:35 PM   
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Good choice young man!

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:19:58 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:22:38 PM   
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Highly likely it could be another painful, too-long contract.
One that they'll do, not whine about, and enjoy whatever good they get out of it.
The anti-Twins.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:24:26 PM   
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Yep, that's another tough call
Highly likely it could be another painful, too-long contract.
One that they'll do, not whine about, and enjoy whatever good they get out of it.
The anti-Twins.



Was thought LAD would get hot and heavy after him. ALLEGEDLY they won't.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:27:37 PM   
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Simply aren't held hostage by money.
They sign the check and expect to win.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 4:39:10 PM   
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Yanks will probably worry less time about it than most fans will.
Simply aren't held hostage by money.
They sign the check and expect to win.



If I'm a FA pitcher of the "higher" level, I expect NYY to come calling.

And the Dodgers. Neither team will be afraid to eat a bad contract.

Phil Hughes? He'll go elsewhere and do well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2013 10:03:10 PM   
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His previous? The 2HR game vs MN July 28th

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 4:44:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 7:11:10 AM   
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One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.


Our pitching coach had SIX YEARS to figure this shit out...their's about six weeks. 

Time for "the Rick" to go.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 8:29:53 AM   
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One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.


Our pitching coach had SIX YEARS to figure this shit out...their's about six weeks. 

Time for "the Rick" to go.


There's more. Gleeman dug this up

Francisco Liriano is 14-5 with a 2.53 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 innings for the first place Pirates, allowing two or fewer runs in 15 of 19 starts while throwing fastballs far less often than he ever did with the Twins. Jenn Menendez of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette wrote a lengthy, quote-filled article about Liriano's post-Twins turnaround, including this comment from Pirates pitching coach Ray Searage:

Because that's Frankie. If I try to make Frankie pitch like [someone else], we wouldn't have what we got. That's force-feeding him to do something that he's not comfortable doing. Frankie does pitch the way he pitches. So just let him be him. That's what we did.

Maybe he simply needed a fresh start somewhere else, but "just let him be him" certainly isn't something Twins coaches said often about Liriano and his improvement can be linked to a clear change in approach that runs counter to what the Twins preached regarding fastball usage. He's averaged 9.4 strikeouts per nine innings for the Pirates, whereas the Twins have used 10 different starters this year and none have averaged more than 5.4 strikeouts per nine innings.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 8:44:19 AM   
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One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.


Our pitching coach had SIX YEARS to figure this shit out...their's about six weeks. 

Time for "the Rick" to go.


There's more. Gleeman dug this up

Francisco Liriano is 14-5 with a 2.53 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 innings for the first place Pirates, allowing two or fewer runs in 15 of 19 starts while throwing fastballs far less often than he ever did with the Twins. Jenn Menendez of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette wrote a lengthy, quote-filled article about Liriano's post-Twins turnaround, including this comment from Pirates pitching coach Ray Searage:

Because that's Frankie. If I try to make Frankie pitch like [someone else], we wouldn't have what we got. That's force-feeding him to do something that he's not comfortable doing. Frankie does pitch the way he pitches. So just let him be him. That's what we did.

Maybe he simply needed a fresh start somewhere else, but "just let him be him" certainly isn't something Twins coaches said often about Liriano and his improvement can be linked to a clear change in approach that runs counter to what the Twins preached regarding fastball usage. He's averaged 9.4 strikeouts per nine innings for the Pirates, whereas the Twins have used 10 different starters this year and none have averaged more than 5.4 strikeouts per nine innings.


What a shame to let talent like that go. We could've got him back pretty cheap, but we're too smart to do that, especially with all our pitching talent.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 8:49:39 AM   
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One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.


Our pitching coach had SIX YEARS to figure this shit out...their's about six weeks. 

Time for "the Rick" to go.


There's more. Gleeman dug this up

Francisco Liriano is 14-5 with a 2.53 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 innings for the first place Pirates, allowing two or fewer runs in 15 of 19 starts while throwing fastballs far less often than he ever did with the Twins. Jenn Menendez of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette wrote a lengthy, quote-filled article about Liriano's post-Twins turnaround, including this comment from Pirates pitching coach Ray Searage:

Because that's Frankie. If I try to make Frankie pitch like [someone else], we wouldn't have what we got. That's force-feeding him to do something that he's not comfortable doing. Frankie does pitch the way he pitches. So just let him be him. That's what we did.

Maybe he simply needed a fresh start somewhere else, but "just let him be him" certainly isn't something Twins coaches said often about Liriano and his improvement can be linked to a clear change in approach that runs counter to what the Twins preached regarding fastball usage. He's averaged 9.4 strikeouts per nine innings for the Pirates, whereas the Twins have used 10 different starters this year and none have averaged more than 5.4 strikeouts per nine innings.


What a shame to let talent like that go. We could've got him back pretty cheap, but we're too smart to do that, especially with all our pitching talent.


It's becoming clearer they never knew how to handle him.
Another indictment of how awesome the coaching staff is at COACHING.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 8:55:51 AM   
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One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.


Our pitching coach had SIX YEARS to figure this shit out...their's about six weeks. 

Time for "the Rick" to go.


There's more. Gleeman dug this up

Francisco Liriano is 14-5 with a 2.53 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 innings for the first place Pirates, allowing two or fewer runs in 15 of 19 starts while throwing fastballs far less often than he ever did with the Twins. Jenn Menendez of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette wrote a lengthy, quote-filled article about Liriano's post-Twins turnaround, including this comment from Pirates pitching coach Ray Searage:

Because that's Frankie. If I try to make Frankie pitch like [someone else], we wouldn't have what we got. That's force-feeding him to do something that he's not comfortable doing. Frankie does pitch the way he pitches. So just let him be him. That's what we did.

Maybe he simply needed a fresh start somewhere else, but "just let him be him" certainly isn't something Twins coaches said often about Liriano and his improvement can be linked to a clear change in approach that runs counter to what the Twins preached regarding fastball usage. He's averaged 9.4 strikeouts per nine innings for the Pirates, whereas the Twins have used 10 different starters this year and none have averaged more than 5.4 strikeouts per nine innings.


What a shame to let talent like that go. We could've got him back pretty cheap, but we're too smart to do that, especially with all our pitching talent.


It's becoming clearer they never knew how to handle him.
Another indictment of how awesome the coaching staff is at COACHING.



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We critic the horses and praise the make-up of the mules.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 9:00:36 AM   
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Long before advanced metrics such as Wins Above Replacement (WAR) existed, most position player comparisons were based almost en­tirely on batting statistics.

Of course, defense and baserun­ning would sometimes enter into the discussion, but quantifying these skills and comparing player performance relative to more tradi­tional statistics remained difficult. Therefore, the players who ranked highest in batting average, home runs and RBI were usually rated more highly.

WAR seeks to place run values, which are converted to win values, on every aspect of a player’s perfor­mance. As a result, players can be considered of similar value while arriving at said value in entirely dif­ferent ways. Let’s take a look at a few players whose 2013 performances to date place them among the top 20 posi­tion players in Major League Base­ball.

▶ Baltimore Orioles first baseman Chris Davis is having an outstanding season at the plate, batting .301/ .376/.678 (batting average/on-base/ slugging through games of Aug. 10), with a league-leading 42 home runs and 109 RBI.

▶ Atlanta Braves shortstop An­drelton Simmons has been a below­ average offensive performer, hitting .245/.289/.365, although with 11 homers.

▶ Boston Red Sox center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury, at .305/.366/.440, has been an above-average hitter who adds 42 stolen bases vs. four caught stealing to his strong offen­sive résumé.

These players rate roughly equal in value based on WAR and its com­ponents, with all three being worth approximately 4½ to 5 wins.

While Davis’ offense has shined brightly (44 batting runs), his value is dragged down by defense (mi­nus 6 fielding runs) and the relative importance (minus 7 positional runs) of playing first base.

Despite Simmons’ subpar offen­sive showing (minus 9 batting runs), he clearly makes up for it with his glove (33 fielding runs) and posi­tional importance (6 positional runs).

Ellsbury has enjoyed the most balanced season of the three, as he has been worth 10 batting runs, seven baserunning runs and 12 fielding runs, plus an additional two runs for position.

While not as intuitive as the other measures, the positional adjust­ment accounts for the relative diffi­culty in finding an adequate re­placement at a premium defensive position, such as shortstop, vs. one of lesser importance like first base.

While not an exact science, WAR allows us to compare players who provide value in distinctly different ways.

Sometimes this leads us to realize a slick-fielding shortstop can be worth as much as a star slugger.
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