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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 9:06:19 AM   
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Sometimes this leads us to realize a slick-fielding shortstop can be worth as much as a star slugger.


Give me Davis any day. Screw the minus 6 run defense,

Davis at least give you a better than average chance at making up for mistakes.

MN has too many guys that can't do that.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 3:29:06 PM   
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Fortunately Philly wanted this guy worse than MN.

The Phillies announced that they have signed outfielder Roger Bernadina, who was released by the Nationals on Monday, to a Major League contract.

Bernadina, 29, was released after the Nats acquired David DeJesus from the Cubs. In 167 plate appearances this season, the Curacao native batted .178/.247/.270. Those numbers represent a sharp drop-off from the .252/.320/.373 career batting line that Bernadina carried into the 2013 campaign. He's capable of playing all three outfield positions, though advanced defensive metrics peg him as a below-average center fielder.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 4:03:34 PM   
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Sometimes this leads us to realize a slick-fielding shortstop can be worth as much as a star slugger.
 
 
Spoken like a Twins apologist, while defending their cheapness.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 5:53:17 PM   
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Caple with an outstanding article on Ichiro.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9586027/ichiro-suzuki-reach-remarkable-4000-hit-milestone


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 6:08:50 PM   
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Bowdens young stars who should be locked into contracts in his opinion ....


Major League Baseball is loaded with more impact stars who are non-arbitration eligible than the game has seen in decades. Although teams can control the salaries of these young stars for the first three years of their service time, it won’t be long before they become arbitration eligible and their salaries skyrocket to record-breaking levels.

The fact is that for young superstar players, the closer they get to free agency, the more likely they are to reach it. So smart teams are locking them up early and buying out their arbitration years in order to save money in the long run.

Signing their non-arbitration-eligible young stars to long-term contracts keeps the players relatively cost efficient. In turn, these young stars net millions of guaranteed dollars early in their careers, which sets them up for life and eliminates any injury and/or baseball risk. And everyone agrees that it’s difficult for a player in his early 20s to turn down approximately $100 million to instead wait four or five more years with the hopes of getting more. It’s a smart play for both the team and the player.

Before this type of action is taken, however, position players must prove to the team they can hit all types of pitches and can sufficiently counter all the adjustments pitchers have when facing them. Teams need to make sure these guys are two-way players (offensively and defensively), low medical risks and that their makeup and character fits the team in the long term. Clubs also have to make sure that long-term security won’t negatively impact these young players' work ethic, passion and will to be the best they can be.

It should be noted that two of the best young starting pitchers in baseball,
Jose Fernandez of the Miami Marlins and Matt Harvey of the New York Mets, should also be under consideration for long-term deals if their respective teams aren’t afraid of the inherent injury risk that often accompanies pitchers.

The deliveries of both Harvey and Fernandez are so clean that both pitchers are solid bets to succeed and stay healthy. Both are No. 1 starters and, in my mind, represent the lowest risks of any non-arbitration-eligible pitchers in baseball. But to be clear, I am not a proponent of signing pitchers to long-term deals until they have logged at least four consecutive years of approximately 200 innings pitched without arm troubles.

Therefore, here are the six position players who match the criteria I laid out above. Their long-term contracts should avoid the three years of salary arbitration and tie up at least two years of free agency, ending no later than when the players are between the ages of 30 and 32.


1. Mike Trout | OF | Los Angeles Angels

Trout, 22, is the best all-around player in baseball. He’s a four-tool player; his only below-average tool is arm strength, which he overcomes with quick feet and arm accuracy. His ability to win games with his on-base percentage, power, speed and Gold Glove-caliber defense speaks for itself. He someday will become the highest-paid position player in baseball. It’s only a matter of time.



2. Bryce Harper | OF | Washington Nationals

Harper, 20, already has won the NL Rookie of the Year Award and been to two All-Star Games. He’s proven that he’ll play hurt and hustles like Pete Rose. It’s only a matter of time before he becomes a big home run hitter, racking up 40-plus homers a year. Harper probably will be moved to right field in 2014 (with Jayson Werth going to left field), which will be his long-term position. He has one of the strongest arms in baseball and will be the face of the Nationals for years to come.



3. Manny Machado | 3B | Baltimore Orioles

Machado, 21, has quickly become one of the best defensive third basemen in baseball. Were it not for Texas Rangers third baseman Adrian Beltre, Machado probably would win the Gold Glove this year. Machado’s 43 doubles leads the AL, and in a year or two, half of those doubles probably become home runs. He’s a leader and a winner, and has made it clear to the Orioles that he would like to sign a long-term deal with them.



4. Giancarlo Stanton | OF | Miami Marlins

Stanton, 23, has more right-handed power than anyone in baseball not named Miguel Cabrera. The Marlins already have to live with their ill-advised trade of Cabrera to the Tigers in December of 2007 (when they didn’t think they could re-sign him). So they certainly don’t want history repeating itself with Stanton. A long-term contract for Stanton would also be a huge step forward in securing the face of their franchise while gaining back the trust of Marlins fans.



5. Wil Myers | OF | Tampa Bay Rays

Myers, 22, has brought comparisons to Atlanta Braves legend Dale Murphy. Myers has Hall of Fame talent and while everyone knows about his bat and power potential, he’s shown this year that he’s also a good defender with a strong arm and the athleticism to play all three outfield positions. He illustrated this when he took over center field temporarily after Desmond Jennings went down with an injury in early August. His boy-next-door attitude is refreshing, and his talent is special. The Rays have done well with many of their long-term deals, and an Evan Longoria-type deal for Myers this offseason would be a shrewd move.



6. Freddie Freeman | 1B | Atlanta Braves

While most of baseball was praising the development and potential of Jason Heyward and Atlanta’s offseason acquisitions of the Upton brothers, the truth is that the Braves’ MVP this season -- and their best player going forward -- is Freeman. Freeman, 23, has the best raw swing of any of the Braves, and the results this year have illustrated that point. The first-time All-Star is an above-average fielder, but it’s his leadership and clutch hitting that separates him. A complete player who has taken the torch from retired Braves legend Chipper Jones, Freeman has become the face of the franchise.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/21/2013 8:35:54 PM   
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It appears to me that WAR simply overvalues all shortstops. Each team has to have a shortstop. Why overvalue them so much?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 12:07:52 AM   
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http://deadspin.com/francisco-liriano-gives-zero-****s-about-having-to-hit-1148465377

By all means, watch the featured video. But also make sure to check out the GIF at the bottom....even better.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 3:10:41 AM   
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They've got a decision on him coming up too. What would you do? His best years are likely behind him, but his most expensive are ahead of him.


What do you base that on?

He's become better disciplined and selective at the plate. He's 30, and had a fantastic season without the table setters and protectors in the lineup.

I think his Walk rate is very similar to Mauer's this season, and he has fewer strikeouts. More than double IBB's too.

If you see something that leads you to believe his best years are behind him, please share.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 8:17:11 AM   
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They've got a decision on him coming up too. What would you do? His best years are likely behind him, but his most expensive are ahead of him.


What do you base that on?

He's become better disciplined and selective at the plate. He's 30, and had a fantastic season without the table setters and protectors in the lineup.

I think his Walk rate is very similar to Mauer's this season, and he has fewer strikeouts. More than double IBB's too.

If you see something that leads you to believe his best years are behind him, please share.


Oh, it's certainly possible that he maintains or gets better, but most players are past their prime at 30. Odds say he'll start to decline.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 8:28:16 AM   
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Chapman with his first career two-inning save last night for the Reds
Pretty sure his arm fell off afterwards
No reports yet tho.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 10:05:20 AM   
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One of the keys to the Bucs' successes this year -- low-priced off-season acquisition Francisco Liriano -- has excelled due to changes in his delivery that have improved his fastball command, explains Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Liriano's 2014 option appears likely to vest, and Pittsburgh will surely not complain about returning him to their rotation.


Our pitching coach had SIX YEARS to figure this shit out...their's about six weeks. 

Time for "the Rick" to go.


There's more. Gleeman dug this up

Francisco Liriano is 14-5 with a 2.53 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 innings for the first place Pirates, allowing two or fewer runs in 15 of 19 starts while throwing fastballs far less often than he ever did with the Twins. Jenn Menendez of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette wrote a lengthy, quote-filled article about Liriano's post-Twins turnaround, including this comment from Pirates pitching coach Ray Searage:

Because that's Frankie. If I try to make Frankie pitch like [someone else], we wouldn't have what we got. That's force-feeding him to do something that he's not comfortable doing. Frankie does pitch the way he pitches. So just let him be him. That's what we did.

Maybe he simply needed a fresh start somewhere else, but "just let him be him" certainly isn't something Twins coaches said often about Liriano and his improvement can be linked to a clear change in approach that runs counter to what the Twins preached regarding fastball usage. He's averaged 9.4 strikeouts per nine innings for the Pirates, whereas the Twins have used 10 different starters this year and none have averaged more than 5.4 strikeouts per nine innings.



LOL

It's our organizational philosophy to have every pitcher pitch the same damn way.  Even when they are vastly different in style and ability.  that takes the potential studs and turns them into average joes...or worse...and nothing they can do can make a sucky pitcher good over the long term.  So the best we get out of a guy that could be spectacular is repeatedly "average joe" while the suckies stay sucky.

Time for Rick Anderson to leave.  I hope Gardy follows him right out the door, because they do similar to the position players.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 10:17:13 AM   
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This is a 2014 pitcher FA list from late Feb. Changes have likely occurred.



Starting pitchers

Bronson Arroyo (37)
Scott Baker (32)
Erik Bedard (35)
A.J. Burnett (37)
Chris Capuano (35) - $8MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Chris Carpenter (39)
Bruce Chen (37)
Bartolo Colon (41)
Jorge De La Rosa (33)
Scott Feldman (30)
Gavin Floyd (31)
Jeff Francis (33)
Freddy Garcia (37)
Jon Garland (34)
Matt Garza (30)
Roy Halladay (37) - $20MM vesting option
Jason Hammel (31)
Aaron Harang (36) - $7MM+ mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Dan Haren (33)
Roberto Hernandez (33)
Tim Hudson (38)
Phil Hughes (28)
Ubaldo Jimenez (30) - may void $8MM option for 2014
Josh Johnson (30)
Jeff Karstens (31)
Scott Kazmir (30)
Hiroki Kuroda (39)
Jon Lester (30) - $13MM club option with a $250K buyout
Colby Lewis (34)
Ted Lilly (38)
Tim Lincecum (30)
Paul Maholm (32)
Shaun Marcum (32)
Jason Marquis (35)
Ricky Nolasco (31)
Roy Oswalt (35)
Mike Pelfrey (30)
Andy Pettitte (42)
Wandy Rodriguez (35) - $13MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Jonathan Sanchez (31)
Ervin Santana (31)
Johan Santana (34) - $25MM club option with a $5.5MM buyout
Joe Saunders (33) - mutual option
James Shields (32) - $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Vargas (31)
Ryan Vogelsong (36) - $6.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Edinson Volquez (30)
Tsuyoshi Wada (33) - $5MM club option
Jake Westbrook (36) -- $9.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout.
Chien-Ming Wang (34)
Suk-min Yoon (27)
Chris Young (35)
Barry Zito (36) - $18MM vesting option with a $7MM buyout

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 10:23:53 AM   
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Laughing all morning at the Yankee hugs Ichiro got after his 4000th hit last night
Reminded me of being a 12year old boy, and your Mom making you hug some strange-smelling old lady you had never met before, just because she was your grandmas neighbors nanny forty years ago.
Very uncomfy.

Gotta be tough having teammates with language barriers.


Also laughed at Girardi.
Tried to be very complimentary ... Said something like, geez, I didn't get that many even if you added in my LL numbers.
Ummmm, dude .... I lived thru your career. You didn't need to point that out.
Solid player, but no ..... You're right ...l you just didn't quite make 4000. try a couple thou short.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 10:57:00 AM   
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Laughing all morning at the Yankee hugs Ichiro got after his 4000th hit last night
Reminded me of being a 12year old boy, and your Mom making you hug some strange-smelling old lady you had never met before, just because she was your grandmas neighbors nanny forty years ago.
Very uncomfy.

Gotta be tough having teammates with language barriers.


Also laughed at Girardi.
Tried to be very complimentary ... Said something like, geez, I didn't get that many even if you added in my LL numbers.
Ummmm, dude .... I lived thru your career. You didn't need to point that out.
Solid player, but no ..... You're right ...l you just didn't quite make 4000. try a couple thou short.

He probably hasn't swung a bat 4,000 times.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 11:33:17 AM   
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Laughing all morning at the Yankee hugs Ichiro got after his 4000th hit last night
Reminded me of being a 12year old boy, and your Mom making you hug some strange-smelling old lady you had never met before, just because she was your grandmas neighbors nanny forty years ago.
Very uncomfy.

Gotta be tough having teammates with language barriers.


Also laughed at Girardi.
Tried to be very complimentary ... Said something like, geez, I didn't get that many even if you added in my LL numbers.
Ummmm, dude .... I lived thru your career. You didn't need to point that out.
Solid player, but no ..... You're right ...l you just didn't quite make 4000. try a couple thou short.


If Ichiro gets to count his Japanese league hits everyone else gets to count their minor league and college numbers.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 1:03:09 PM   
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And still wouldn't be close .....

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/22/2013 10:44:45 PM   
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Ryan Braun apologizes, admits PED use, yet still doesn't really go far enough in most peoples minds, to move ahead.
Dude has stuff he just won't let go of.
Come on man ... its at the point where you just bare your soul. Get it over with. Who cares at this point.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/23/2013 10:43:26 AM   
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And his apology was in a written statement (no doubt written by his attorney) instead of a face to face setting with reporters and cameras. Weak and cowardly.

Had he given back his MVP award I would believe he really meant it.

He won't suffer though. He still has a huge contract with the Brewers and fans who will forgive and forget. He'll get booed in every visiting park until he retires I imagine, but I don't get the impression that any of that sinks in through his lizard skin.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/23/2013 11:12:19 AM   
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Laughing all morning at the Yankee hugs Ichiro got after his 4000th hit last night
Reminded me of being a 12year old boy, and your Mom making you hug some strange-smelling old lady you had never met before, just because she was your grandmas neighbors nanny forty years ago.
Very uncomfy.

Gotta be tough having teammates with language barriers.


Also laughed at Girardi.
Tried to be very complimentary ... Said something like, geez, I didn't get that many even if you added in my LL numbers.
Ummmm, dude .... I lived thru your career. You didn't need to point that out.
Solid player, but no ..... You're right ...l you just didn't quite make 4000. try a couple thou short.


If Ichiro gets to count his Japanese league hits everyone else gets to count their minor league and college numbers.


If Ichiro gets to count his Japanese league hits, then Barry Bonds isn't the Homerun king.

It's Sadaharu Oh.



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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/23/2013 8:53:00 PM   
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Reason number 1,986 to love Joe Maddon


ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Despite the fact that the best player on the Tampa Bay Rays still doesn't think Alex Rodriguez should be allowed to play, the New York Yankees third baseman should have nothing to fear from Rays pitchers during a crucial three-game series, which the Yankees opened against their AL wild-card rivals Friday night at Tropicana Field.
"I'm not supposed to pass judgment or enact laws. It's not my job," Rays manager Joe Maddon told the Tampa Tribune on Thursday. "My job is to run this team. Our pitchers' job is to try and get them out. Don't attempt to be judge and jury. Just let everybody do their jobs."
That approach suits A-Rod just fine.
"I respect the fact that [Maddon] respects the process," Rodriguez told ESPNNewYork.com before Friday's game. "It's great to get back to just baseball."
The Yankees have been concerned that ever since Ryan Dempster was allowed to take four shots at Rodriguez on Sunday night in Boston, finally plunking him on the left elbow after three near misses, it would be open season on A-Rod for the remainder of the year.
Maddon's thoughts were echoed by Evan Longoria, who -- although he reiterated his initial stance on Rodriguez and said that allowing him to play while appealing his 211-game suspension could unfairly affect the AL playoff race -- said he did not believe throwing at the Yankees third baseman was justified.
"If the question arose to me I would never say throw at him intentionally," Longoria told the Tribune. "First of all, I don't want to put a guy on base. I'd rather just try and get him out. I don't think it's the right thing to do. You don't want to get somebody hurt, whether it's him or somebody on our team if they decide to retaliate or it backfires. I think it's better to try and get him out." 

Yankees manager Joe Girardi said, "I respect Joe for saying that," when Maddon's words were relayed to him.
"As I've said all along, everyone is going to have their own opinion on Alex and I'm OK with that, but when you start throwing at a guy when he's basically followed the rules by appealing and all that, I just don't think that's right," Girardi said. "I don't think you ever throw at anyone because maybe you don't like them or you don't like something they're doing, because it's dangerous."
The Yankees have won five consecutive games, and 10 of their past 12, to crawl back into the wild-card race since Dempster hit Rodriguez in the second inning of Sunday night's game. This three-game series with the Rays is pivotal because Tampa Bay sits atop the AL wild-card standings, a half-game ahead of the Yankees, who also trail the Oakland Athletics, Cleveland Indians and Baltimore Orioles.
"They got a good team," Maddon said. "Look at their pitching: Their ERA is better than ours. They just got a lot of tribulations. They've got one going on now."
And Maddon seemed less than eager to inflame the Yankees by provoking another beanball incident with Rodriguez, an event some have pointed at as a possible turning point for their season.
"I thought the other night with that fiasco up there, I thought that could be a galvanizing moment for them," he said. "You never know."

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/23/2013 9:02:21 PM   
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Maddon respected the process.

Then the Rays went out and kicked NYY 7-2.

No pants-peeing there.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/23/2013 9:04:55 PM   
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Talk about finding a guy off the scrap-heap.

Lobaton now has 27 rbi's for TB. He was a horrid-hitting nobody before this.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/23/2013 9:05:24 PM   
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The anti-youknowwho
Both the team and the manager

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/24/2013 10:28:46 PM   
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The Los Angeles Angels' disappointing season just got a little more troubling following a report that outfielder Torii Hunter, then a member of the Angels, had to be restrained from punching Angels first baseman Albert Pujols during a clubhouse meeting last year.

CBSSports.com reported the incident, saying it followed Angels losses to Tampa Bay last Aug. 17 and 18.

In a team meeting the next day, according to the report, Pujols criticized Jered Weaver for showing up a teammate the night before. Then he blamed Hunter for an altercation in the dugout with C.J. Wilson.

Pujols did not know then that Wilson had apologized to Hunter and the two had made amends.

So Hunter was angry when Puhols criticized him, and said, according to the report, "Albert, you'd better get your facts straight."

Pujols said something in return, and Hunter responded by saying Pujols was a bad teammate and criticized him for pouting whenever he failed to get hits, even in games the Angels won.

Hunter didn't appreciate Pujols calling out others

"Shut up, Torii," Pujols said.

Hunter then charged across the clubhouse toward Pujols, and LaTroy Hawkins and outfielder Vernon Wells had to restrain him.

Hunter had to be physically restrained from going after Pujols again later in the meeting.

Hunter now plays for the Detroit Tigers.

Pujols is in the second year of his 10-year, $240 million deal with the Angels. The team announced Monday he would miss the rest of this season with a foot injury. Pujols hit .258 with 17 homers this season after hitting .285 with 30 homers a year ago.

Hunter is hitting .305 with 13 homers this year with the Tigers, and batted .313 with 16 home runs in 2012 for the Angels.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/25/2013 10:04:15 AM   
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That is impressive
Torii is so passionate
Great leader
That's like taking on Tyson

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