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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 3:39:01 PM   
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Adam LaRoche’s decision to step away from the game of baseball (and a $13MM salary) earlier this week surprised most of the baseball world and left his teammates stunned. The subsequent reports that LaRoche’s decision stemmed from a request made by White Sox executive vice president Kenny Williams that LaRoche’s 14-year-old son, Drake, not be allowed in the clubhouse on a daily basis anymore in 2016 (as he has been for the past five seasons of Adam’s career with the Nationals and White Sox) added quite a few wrinkles to the story. That news has triggered reactions from teammates and the media alike in addition to yielding several additionally newsworthy items, which we’ll compile here…

White Sox players have emphatically sided with LaRoche in the matter, so much so that the team considered boycotting yesterday’s Spring Training game, reports ESPN’s Karl Ravech. Manager Robin Ventura intervened and convinced the players to take the field, but the clubhouse is none too pleased with the front office’s decision on the matter. Per Ravech, there’s a division between the clubhouse (including the players and Ventura) and the front office.

CSN Chicago’s David Kaplan reports a number of elements on the decision, including the fact that allowing Drake to be in the clubhouse every day was actually a requirement for LaRoche to even sign with the Sox in the first place (Twitter link). According to Kaplan (link), LaRoche would not have signed with Chicago had he not been promised full access for his son, and both Ventura and GM Rick Hahn agreed to the situation before LaRoche was signed (link). Furthermore, Kaplan hears that White Sox players had a “very heated” meeting with management wherein high-profile players, including Chris Sale, “really went after” Williams. Kaplan describes the meeting as “very contentious,” noting that the Sox clubhouse think highly of LaRoche and his son.

Yahoo’s Jeff Passan hears the same, tweeting that Sale “absolutely lit up” Williams over the situation. In a full column, Passan echoes the sentiment that Drake was welcome in the clubhouse and goes on to opine that, while the White Sox’ request was not necessarily misplaced, it was poorly timed. Implementing this new philosophy midway through Spring Training should never have happened, Passan writes, suggesting instead that it should’ve been handled before camp opened. Moreover, Passan tweets that the Sox roster feels that Williams isn’t around the clubhouse enough to understand the dynamics.

Outfielder Adam Eaton spoke to CSN Chicago’s Dan Hayes about the matter yesterday, firmly voicing his support for LaRoche and Drake. “We wanted Drake in the clubhouse, and we were backing Adam in every aspect,” said Eaton. “…He chose family over allowing his son to be in the clubhouse and we respect what he had to do. … We can say we enjoyed Drake LaRoche in the clubhouse and everything he brought in the clubhouse. He brought perspective. He helped out and around, he wasn’t a burden by any stretch of the imagination.” Eaton says that both Adam and Drake are “probably the most respected people” he’s shared a clubhouse with, noting that Drake often helped by cleaning players’ cleats and assisting in drills. “Never a trouble in the clubhouse,” Eaton repeated.

USA Today’s Bob Nightengale contests that the Sox were in the right to make the request of LaRoche. Williams’ main point in speaking to Nightengale is that there is nary a business anywhere else in the country where a parent can bring his 14-year-old child to work every day. The longtime Chicago exec made it clear that he thinks highly of Drake, and the decision was in no way related to his conduct in the clubhouse. “Simply, you have to make a decision from the management perspective or an organization at large,” said Williams. “We went into this season saying to ourselves, ‘We are going to commit and focus and not leave any stone unturned.'” He also notes that he didn’t ask that Drake be completely absent, but rather simply dial back the frequency with which his son spent days in the clubhouse. Nightengale opines that it would be a shame for such a respected player to see his career end in this way, writing that LaRoche should “rip up his retirement papers” and return to the club on Friday.

The issue of children in clubhouses is not unique to the White Sox organization, writes Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, examining some of the policies and measures recently implemented by the Red Sox pertaining to this exact manner. Rosenthal also provides further details on Sale’s words for Williams (links to Twitter), adding that Sale told Williams to get out of the clubhouse and stay out.

In a second column, Rosenthal reports that neither Hahn nor Ventura agrees with Williams’ approach. Asked why he made the decision and broke the news to LaRoche himself (as opposed to Hahn or Ventura), Williams told Rosenthal: “This had the potential to piss people off and I’m the best one to absorb the heat. Period.” A pair of sources also told Rosenthal that the agreement mentioned by Kaplan, in which Drake was permitted to be in the clubhouse on a daily basis, “might only have been verbal” as opposed to anything that was put in writing.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 3:56:18 PM   
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Well that changes things. Sounds like they had an agreement when he signed.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 3:56:19 PM   
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The support for Adam LaRoche seems to be failing to recognize that professional baseball, while the activity remains a game for millions who play it in little league up through the ranks, professional baseball is a business.

It is a business. If you want your kids around you while you go about your day to day life working, become self employed. Start your own business....start your own team.

otherwise, keep the kids at home.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 4:07:22 PM   
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Someone who is smart enough to post pictures ... please show some of those shots today of Bonds standing in and amongst the Marlins.
Its amazing.
Players get bigger and stronger every phreaking year.
Barry looks like their little brother.
Putting bat on ball (powerfully), to me ... is still a helluva lot more about skill, than it is about steroids/muscles/bulk.



Steroids isn't necessarily about adding muscle and bulk. It's about keeping the muscles feeling like they are not fatigued. that makes it easier over a long season not to wear down towards the end of the season and keep crushing baseballs.

Roids help the body heal faster.

Whaaaaaaaaaaa?
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 4:08:46 PM   
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The support for Adam LaRoche seems to be failing to recognize that professional baseball, while the activity remains a game for millions who play it in little league up through the ranks, professional baseball is a business.

It is a business. If you want your kids around you while you go about your day to day life working, become self employed. Start your own business....start your own team.

otherwise, keep the kids at home.

Game
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It's fun seeing old dudes dragging their kids to their town ball games.
This is professional sports. There's a difference, Adam.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 4:10:46 PM   
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Well that changes things. Sounds like they had an agreement when he signed.

If they did, it was wrong.
And it took a strong GM to say "I'll fix this"
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/17/2016 4:15:45 PM   
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Well that changes things. Sounds like they had an agreement when he signed.

If they did, it was wrong.
And it took a strong GM to say "I'll fix this"


And it sounds like a verbal agreement. Not on paper. And if it was on paper, the lawyers would have gone ballistic. No way would a decent lawyer allow a signed contract which allows for a child to be a daily presence in the clubhouse.

And if that was allowed, then baseball is one screwed up business.

A business providing supervised day care for their employees isn't the same as having your kid tag on your coattails as you go about you work in the business.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 2:33:52 PM   
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LaRoche in his own words

Given the suddenness of my departure and the stir it has caused in both the media and the clubhouse, I feel it’s necessary to provide my perspective.

Over the last five years, with both the Nationals and the White Sox, I have been given the opportunity to have my son with me in the clubhouse. It is a privilege I have greatly valued. I have never taken it for granted, and I feel an enormous amount of gratitude toward both of those organizations.

Though I clearly indicated to both teams the importance of having my son with me, I also made clear that if there was ever a moment when a teammate, coach or manager was made to feel uncomfortable, then I would immediately address it. I realize that this is their office and their career, and it would not be fair to the team if anybody in the clubhouse was unhappy with the situation. Fortunately, that problem never developed. I’m not going to speak about my son Drake’s behavior, his manners, and the quality of person that he is, because everyone knows that I am biased. All of the statements from my teammates, past and present, should say enough. Those comments from all of the people who have interacted with Drake are a testimony to how he carries himself.

Prior to signing with the White Sox, my first question to the club concerned my son’s ability to be a part of the team. After some due diligence on the club’s part, we reached an agreement. The 2015 season presented no problems as far as Drake was concerned. (My bat and our record are another story!)

With all of this in mind, we move toward the current situation which arose after White Sox VP Ken Williams recently advised me to significantly scale back the time that my son spent in the clubhouse. Later, I was told not to bring him to the ballpark at all. Obviously, I expressed my displeasure toward this decision to alter the agreement we had reached before I signed with the White Sox. Upon doing so, I had to make a decision. Do I choose my teammates and my career? Or do I choose my family? The decision was easy, but in no way was it a reflection of how I feel about my teammates, manager, general manager or the club’s owner Jerry Reinsdorf.

The White Sox organization is full of people with strong values and solid character. My decision to walk away was simply the result of a fundamental disagreement between myself and Ken Williams.

I understand that many people will not understand my decision. I respect that, and all I ask is for that same level of respect in return. I live by certain values that are rooted in my faith, and I am grateful to my parents for that. I have tried to set a good example on and off the field and live a life that represents these values. As fathers, we have an opportunity to help mold our kids into men and women of character, with morals and values that can’t be shaken by the world around them. Of one thing I am certain: we will regret NOT spending enough time with our kids, not the other way around.

At every level of my career, the game of baseball has reinforced the importance of family to me. Being at my father’s side when he coached. Playing alongside my brothers as a kid and as an adult in the big leagues.

Likewise, it has been great to have my son by my side to share in this experience as I played.

In each and every instance, baseball has given me some of my life’s greatest memories. This was likely to be the last year of my career, and there’s no way I was going to spend it without my son.

Baseball has taught me countless life lessons. I’ve learned how to face challenges, how to overcome failure, how to maintain humility, and most importantly, to trust that the Lord is in control and that I was put here to do more than play the game of baseball. We are called to live life with an unwavering love for God and love for each other. These are lessons I try to teach my kids every day. I truly am blessed to have been granted each of those experiences.

Thank you to all of my previous managers, past teammates and friends across the league for making these past 12 years such a wonderful journey, and for providing me with memories that I will never forget--especially the ones with my son by my side.

I will leave you with the same advice that I left my teammates. In life, we’re all faced with difficult decisions and will have a choice to make. Do we act based on the consequences, or do we act on what we know and believe in our hearts to be right? I choose the latter.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 2:44:53 PM   
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LaRoche has been fortunate that baseball has allowed him to bring his kid to work.

Try doing that as a blue collar worker on an assembly line.

Try doing that on a construction site.

Where does your faith to be a good father/husband get you in those professions.

Guy has lived a fantasy life and yes, he should thank the Lord, etc. for his life thus far.

Some aren't as gifted in terms of hitting a ball.

Difficult decision? Sure, he turned down 13 million. But how many millions has he already earned.

Some people can't make decisions LaRoche was able to make because the demands of life to make money to support a family to feed, clothe and provide a house are more important than philosophical bs.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 2:48:00 PM   
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Some people can't make decisions LaRoche was able to make because the demands of life to make money to support a family to feed, clothe and provide a house are more important than philosophical bs.


Well said.

Agree. It's not a "normal world" situation that LaRoche had.

Baseball traveling and such is "difficult" to a degree, being away from fam and such.

But don't give me any hardship stuff by not getting to bond w/your kid at the ballpark.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 2:54:05 PM   
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Some people can't make decisions LaRoche was able to make because the demands of life to make money to support a family to feed, clothe and provide a house are more important than philosophical bs.


Well said.

Agree. It's not a "normal world" situation that LaRoche had.

Baseball traveling and such is "difficult" to a degree, being away from fam and such.

But don't give me any hardship stuff by not getting to bond w/your kid at the ballpark.



I'm sure this was discussed but why isn't his kid in school?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 3:00:13 PM   
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Some people can't make decisions LaRoche was able to make because the demands of life to make money to support a family to feed, clothe and provide a house are more important than philosophical bs.


Well said.

Agree. It's not a "normal world" situation that LaRoche had.

Baseball traveling and such is "difficult" to a degree, being away from fam and such.

But don't give me any hardship stuff by not getting to bond w/your kid at the ballpark.



I'm sure this was discussed but why isn't his kid in school?



Could be home schooled.



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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 3:00:40 PM   
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Some people can't make decisions LaRoche was able to make because the demands of life to make money to support a family to feed, clothe and provide a house are more important than philosophical bs.


Well said.

Agree. It's not a "normal world" situation that LaRoche had.

Baseball traveling and such is "difficult" to a degree, being away from fam and such.

But don't give me any hardship stuff by not getting to bond w/your kid at the ballpark.



I'm sure this was discussed but why isn't his kid in school?

Adam LaRoche doesn't believe in school. He told his wife that the kid will learn more in the clubhouse.

I'm beginning to think LaRoche wants to keep his son away from the liberal jackals that rule the education sector.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 3:01:57 PM   
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Adam LaRoche quote from 2013:

We’re not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He’s going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.’”
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 3:17:40 PM   
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Adam LaRoche quote from 2013:

We’re not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He’s going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.’”



If LaRoche managed his money, the kid won't have to work much for a living anyway.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 3:41:01 PM   
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Adam LaRoche quote from 2013:

We’re not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He’s going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.’”


Learning to clean baseball cleats is a skill I would put first on my resume.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 3:46:06 PM   
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Adam LaRoche quote from 2013:

We’re not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He’s going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.’”



Didn't they use to have truancy officers to take care of students (and parents) who fail to get their kids to school?

Given LaRoche's devout Christian faith, I suspect that it is Christian faith that has him keep his kid form exposure to the evils that are so prevalent in our school systems.....the godless environment that it is......better yet, have him surrounded by young men, away from their spouses, exposed to female groupies during ST and the subsequent hook ups that occur.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 6:27:19 PM   
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Adam LaRoche quote from 2013:

We’re not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He’s going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.’”







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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/18/2016 7:22:48 PM   
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I'm not convinced LaRoche won't be back.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/19/2016 6:42:58 AM   
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3rd TJ surgery for Jarrod Parker

Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle writes that it is “likely” that Parker now faces a third Tommy John procedure.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/19/2016 7:39:02 AM   
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Adam LaRoche quote from 2013:

We’re not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He’s going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.’”



Didn't they use to have truancy officers to take care of students (and parents) who fail to get their kids to school?

Given LaRoche's devout Christian faith, I suspect that it is Christian faith that has him keep his kid form exposure to the evils that are so prevalent in our school systems.....the godless environment that it is......better yet, have him surrounded by young men, away from their spouses, exposed to female groupies during ST and the subsequent hook ups that occur.

This has gone from stupid to absurd.
Starting to think he should be charged with abuse. (I kid, I kid)
Seriously, YOU are the one who's changed how this kid looks at life, Adam.
Why the rest of the team is upset, is beyond me. MOve on and stop acting like a bunch of little babies.
Kids don't belong at workplaces. Its your workplace. Retire, please.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/19/2016 8:43:32 AM   
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Kids don't belong at workplaces. Its your workplace. Retire, please.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/white-sox-players-staff-reportedly-222000523.html

Despite a report Thursday that said White Sox players threatened to boycott a spring training game over the decision to remove Adam LaRoche's son from the clubhouse, a Friday account told a different story.

According to USA Today, White Sox executive vice president Ken Williams told LaRoche he could no longer bring his son with him to the ballpark because some players and coaches complained about his constant presence.

MORE: LaRoche not only player who takes kid to work | Photos of Drake and dad

After hearing the complaints about LaRoche’s son, Williams spoke to LaRoche about the issue. When LaRoche continued to bring his son to the park, Williams then decided to revoke the teenager's full-time clubhouse access.

LaRoche suddenly retired Tuesday after Williams told him he needed to "significantly scale back the time" his son spent in the clubhouse. LaRoche’s 14-year-old son, Drake, was with the team about 120 games during the 2015 season.

Publicly, White Sox players have voiced support for LaRoche in the wake of Williams' unpopular decision. But it could be a different story in private, with "multiple baseball officials" telling USA Today a divergent narrative.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/03/18/adam-laroche-drake-laroche-kenny-williams/81993428/

PHOENIX - Now, do we really think Chicago White Sox executive vice president Ken Williams acted alone here, going out of his way to alienate his own team and have one of its most popular players abruptly quit in anger?

In the wake of Adam LaRoche’s surprise retirement, there are plenty of spinning narratives, as management, LaRoche and his teammates all testify within the court of public opinion.

And while the early evidence frames this as a Williams vs. LaRoche battle over clubhouse time for LaRoche’s son, multiple baseball officials with direct knowledge of the Adam LaRoche brouhaha told USA TODAY Sports a different tale.

Several players and staff members privately complained to White Sox management recently about the constant presence of LaRoche’s 14-year-old son, Drake, in the clubhouse. Drake LaRoche, multiple people say, was with the team about 120 games during the 2015 season.

The officials spoke to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity because the club has forbid officials from commenting.

And it is tricky territory, certainly. Drake LaRoche, by all accounts, is a good and well-respected kid. White Sox manager Robin Ventura even joked Friday that “he’s probably more mature than most of the guys in there.’’

Still, he’s a child. And simply not everyone felt comfortable with Drake’s constant presence, even called the White Sox’s 26th man.

Apparently, no one ever told LaRoche. These players and staff members didn’t feel comfortable even sharing it with their own teammates, with several White Sox players saying they never heard a complaint. But they did express their views to management.

It put the White Sox in an awkward position. They were the ones who told LaRoche that his son could be with him as often as he desired when they signed him to a two-year, $26 million contract before the 2015 season. They even furnished him with his own locker and uniform, right next to dad.

Perhaps the verbal agreement in theory felt far different in practice, and that the White Sox were taken aback that LaRoche truly had his son everywhere with him. They were together virtually every home game. He made almost half the road trips. Flew on the team charters. And even participated in drills.

While almost every major league organization welcomes such bonding, Drake was something of an outlier. Even Ken Griffey Jr., perhaps baseball’s most famous son, was only in the big league clubhouse with his dad a handful of games a year.

Certainly, if the White Sox wanted to scale back Drake’s presence, someone should have told LaRoche during the winter. It at least should have been addressed before spring training.

Instead, it wasn’t until Williams heard complaints, sat down with LaRoche, and told him to scale back his son’s presence in camp. He could still come to camp and be in the clubhouse, but perhaps just half the time. Certainly, not every day.

Well, after their heart-to-heart talk, nothing changed, according to multiple people in White Sox camp.

LaRoche kept bringing his son to the ballpark every day. This went on for at least three or four days. When Williams saw Drake on the field this week, in the middle of a practice drill, standing on the pitcher’s mound, he lost it.

Williams told LaRoche that was it. He violated the privilege. No more clubhouse access.

Williams later relented, and went back to his original request, simply asking LaRoche to cut his son’s clubhouse presence to about half of the time.

Too late.

LaRoche showed up Tuesday, told his teammates he was quitting, filled out retirement papers, and made it official Friday.

“The current situation arose after White Sox VP Ken Williams recently advised me to significantly scale back the time that my son spent in the clubhouse,’’ LaRoche said in a statement. “Later, I was told not to bring him to the ballpark at all. Obviously, I expressed my displeasure toward this decision to alter the agreement we had reached before I signed with the White Sox.

“Upon doing so, I had to make a decision. Do I choose my teammates and my career? Or do I choose my family? The decision was easy, but in no way was it a reflection of how I feel about my teammates, manager, general manager or the club's owner Jerry Reinsdorf.

“The White Sox organization is full of people with strong values and solid character. My decision to walk away was simply the result of a fundamental disagreement between myself and Ken Williams.’’

The players became even more infuriated Friday, knowing that LaRoche is now gone, saying that the White Sox reneged on their agreement with him. Sure, maybe there was nothing in writing, but there was a handshake deal. A commitment. LaRoche had his son alongside him for three years before even signing with the White Sox.

“I’m a big loyalty guy, a big promise guy,’’ said White Sox third baseman Todd Frazier, who joined the club in an offseason trade. “If you’re going to promise somebody something you have to go through with it, whatever that is, or to the extent to whatever it was.’’

Williams spent two hours Wednesday trying to calm his team, but they screamed at him, even threatening to not get on the team bus to play the Milwaukee Brewers in their spring-training game.

“We got bold-faced lied to,’’ Sale said Friday, “by someone we were supposed to trust. This isn’t us rebelling against the rules. This is us rebelling against B.S. …

“Somebody walked out of those doors the other day,’’ Sale said, “and it was the wrong guy. Plain and simple.’’

Williams, after hearing Sale’s comments, later spoke with him Friday, and fired off a statement that read: “While I disagree with Chris’ assertions today, I certainly have always appreciated his passion.’’

In this mess, it is Williams aiming to wedge himself between several factions, hoping to avoid a fracture within the organization.

He’s the fall guy for this clubhouse unrest. The players don’t blame manager Robin Ventura, who realizes if he spoke up against LaRoche, he would lose his clubhouse for the rest of the season. Not a good idea when you’re on the final year of your contract.

They don’t blame GM Rick Hahn. He’s the one who deals with the players the most outside Ventura and the coaching staff. He needs their trust and respect.

They don’t blame chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who signs their paychecks and is considered the most loyal owner in baseball, even paying employees after they no longer work in the organization. Reinsdorf has stayed clear of the debris, just like Ventura and Hahn, but told the players that he will meet privately with a few of them in the next couple of days.

“I think the ultimate goal is to talk to him,’’ Sale said. “Jerry's a very understanding person, and I think if we can get to him and speak to him and actually have an adult conversation, I think we'll be able to figure things out and iron out all the creases.’’

Williams says he can handle it. He’s been criticized plenty of times as the former White Sox GM and president, so it’s nothing completely out of the ordinary - only this time it’s a subject that transcends the box scores and instead lands on the morning news shows.

The biggest concern now is simply to make sure this disruption goes away before opening day and doesn’t linger, which Ventura conceded will be a challenge.

"We were rolling,’’ Sale said. “We had positive energy in here. Nobody saw anything as a distraction until all this happened. There was absolutely no problem in here whatsoever with anyone. And (Williams) kind of created a problem.

“We're missing two big pieces to our puzzle, plain and simple.

“I'm not going to sit here and say it's going to be the main reason (if the team struggles), or anything like that, but he's definitely going to be missed, and we're not going to get him back.’’

Sale plans to treasure the jerseys that Adam and Drake LaRoche left him. He hung them up on each side of his locker Friday, and likely will keep them up during the regular season, too.

To his left was from Drake: “Chris, thank you for taking care of me.’’

To his right was from Adam: “Thanks for everything. I’ll never forget you.’’

And for LaRoche, his very public commitment to his son will leave a legacy that’s greater than anything he accomplished on the ballfield during his 14 years. Faith-based and family-focused organizations will surely reach out to him.

“I think a lot of people have stepped back,’’ White Sox outfielder Adam Eaton said, “and said, ‘If a man can step away from $13 million for his family and his son, what does it take for me to spend a little more time with my kid, or take a little more responsibility for my family situation?’’’

“I think he believes that the Lord put him in this position, he made this decision, and there are positives coming out of it. I think him retiring, and everybody standing up for him, it’s a credit to him.’’

LaRoche leaves this game as a role model, and without this sudden retirement, perhaps no one beyond his closest peers knows the real man. Now, he’ll forever be remembered.

“I understand that many people will not understand my decision,’’ LaRoche said in his statement. “I respect that, and all I ask is for that same level of respect in return. I live by certain values that are rooted in my faith, and I am grateful to my parents for that. I have tried to set a good example on and off the field and live a life that represents these values.

“As fathers, we have an opportunity to help mold our kids into men and women of character, with morals and values that can't be shaken by the world around them. Of one thing I am certain: we will regret NOT spending enough time with our kids, not the other way around.’’

“In life, we're all faced with difficult decisions and will have a choice to make. Do we act based on the consequences, or do we act on what we know and believe in our hearts to be right? I choose the latter.’’

Then again, so did Williams.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/19/2016 8:55:55 AM   
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Had been thinking that Ed .... there HAD to be a ton of guys in there pissed off about it.
Sale is trying to be some superhero, but I'm betting there are just as many guys asking "what the hell is that kid doing in here all the time?"
Like I said before, Williams simply did the hard job that no one else had the balls to do.
Even if it was agreed to at one time, it was wrong.
And no, I don't hate you Adam. But you are wrong if you think you were going to change the way things are done.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/19/2016 9:23:25 AM   
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Strange (on LaRoche)
Not sure if I'm ok with it, upset about it, or numb to it.
Not sure a 14 year old should be in there.
Not sure why a 14 year old shouldn't be in there.
Strange. That's all I got.

Sounds like Kenny Williams is in the right on this one. He's fine with kids being around, but this kid was travelling with the team and around the team more than some of the players. IMO they should limit kids in the clubhouse to a once a week or every couple weeks thing. Hit the books at least a little bit, kid.


I agree. This is ridiculous and screw LaRoche for expecting his son to have "special treatment" as compare to the son or even daughter of another player. I agree that children should be occasionally allowed in the locker room (but only if the other players are ok with it). Once per week, per month, or whatever, something to that order. But MLB is a business. This Drake LaRoche should be spending time with his friends growing up like a regular kid. Traveling with a ML baseball team is not part of the equation.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 3/19/2016 9:51:46 AM   
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Had been thinking that Ed .... there HAD to be a ton of guys in there pissed off about it.
Sale is trying to be some superhero, but I'm betting there are just as many guys asking "what the hell is that kid doing in here all the time?"
Like I said before, Williams simply did the hard job that no one else had the balls to do.
Even if it was agreed to at one time, it was wrong.
And no, I don't hate you Adam. But you are wrong if you think you were going to change the way things are done.


I agree 100%. Even if only one player was complaining about Drake LaRoche constantly being in the clubhouse, that is enough to consider making changes. It sounds as if this LaRoche guy is a nonconformist. Is this kid even being home-schooled? In any event, I am glad (for once) that conformity wins out and that the presumably attacked or deprived party is made an example of.

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