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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 8:55:29 AM

Stacey King

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Tanaka to the Yanks

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 9:22:42 AM

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Tanaka to the Yanks

Wow what a shock.

After posturing by the Dodgers(who really don't need him), the sCrUBS(who wants to play for a loser from overseas,besides the Nish disaster...do you get that Twins?)

It's the Yankees.

Duh

Some teams get it.

Terry Ryan and the Twins? not so much.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 9:23:48 AM

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7 years/155 million.

Twins will not sign a pitcher EVER to a 7 year deal.

EVER

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 10:13:20 AM

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7 years/155 million.

Twins will not sign a pitcher EVER to a 7 year deal.

EVER

CPAMAN will be pleased the Twins didn't sign him given those parameters.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 11:28:47 AM

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7 years/155 million.

Twins will not sign a pitcher EVER to a 7 year deal.

EVER

CPAMAN will be pleased the Twins didn't sign him given those parameters.

If he goes the same route as DiceK or Irabu, they will regret that deal for 5 of the seven years.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 11:34:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

7 years/155 million.

Twins will not sign a pitcher EVER to a 7 year deal.

EVER

CPAMAN will be pleased the Twins didn't sign him given those parameters.

If he goes the same route as DiceK or Irabu, they will regret that deal for 5 of the seven years.

They'll just site some sort of injury, re-coup some on insurance and pursue another pitcher.

NYY rarely regret any deal. They focus on winning titles.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 11:39:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

7 years/155 million.

Twins will not sign a pitcher EVER to a 7 year deal.

EVER

CPAMAN will be pleased the Twins didn't sign him given those parameters.

If he goes the same route as DiceK or Irabu, they will regret that deal for 5 of the seven years.

They'll just site some sort of injury, re-coup some on insurance and pursue another pitcher.

NYY rarely regret any deal. They focus on winning titles.

They're probably getting smarter with adding ways out of contracts. I am sure they are exploring the possibility of voiding the remainder of AFRAUDROID's contract.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 12:00:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

7 years/155 million.

Twins will not sign a pitcher EVER to a 7 year deal.

EVER

CPAMAN will be pleased the Twins didn't sign him given those parameters.

If he goes the same route as DiceK or Irabu, they will regret that deal for 5 of the seven years.

They'll just site some sort of injury, re-coup some on insurance and pursue another pitcher.

NYY rarely regret any deal. They focus on winning titles.

They're probably getting smarter with adding ways out of contracts. I am sure they are exploring the possibility of voiding the remainder of AFRAUDROID's contract.

They are. Which is why that hip injury last year was a big deal. NYY wanted A-Rod to sit, then they were going to claim a debilitating injury or something similar, and void the rest of the deal.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 12:33:53 PM

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What would have the Twins payroll been in 2014 if the only moves they made were to sign Tanaka and Cano?

Would be curios to see what the 2013 was and what 2014 would have been with those two signings.

Would have sold tickets, would have given REAL reason for hope, and would have two players that actually will complement Sano and Buxton.

Instead we get retreaded crap that everybody hopes doesn't perform like it did in 2013. Is there one player the Twins have acquired this offseason that we would be happy with if they posted 2013 numbers? Maybe the Dodgers pitcher and that is it?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 12:55:19 PM

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What would have the Twins payroll been in 2014 if the only moves they made were to sign Tanaka and Cano?

Would be curios to see what the 2013 was and what 2014 would have been with those two signings.

Would have sold tickets, would have given REAL reason for hope, and would have two players that actually will complement Sano and Buxton.

Instead we get retreaded crap that everybody hopes doesn't perform like it did in 2013. Is there one player the Twins have acquired this offseason that we would be happy with if they posted 2013 numbers? Maybe the Dodgers pitcher and that is it?

Twins can certainly afford to sign Cano AND Tanaka...they can't afford to be wrong about Cano or Tanaka. That's the difference between the Yankees and Twins. But, for the love of God, the Twins need to add to the payroll when they start to become a real team again. Once they become relevant, TR needs to get the payroll to $125 million or so.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 1:03:41 PM

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What would have the Twins payroll been in 2014 if the only moves they made were to sign Tanaka and Cano?

Would be curios to see what the 2013 was and what 2014 would have been with those two signings.

Would have sold tickets, would have given REAL reason for hope, and would have two players that actually will complement Sano and Buxton.

Instead we get retreaded crap that everybody hopes doesn't perform like it did in 2013. Is there one player the Twins have acquired this offseason that we would be happy with if they posted 2013 numbers? Maybe the Dodgers pitcher and that is it?

Twins can certainly afford to sign Cano AND Tanaka...they can't afford to be wrong about Cano or Tanaka. That's the difference between the Yankees and Twins. But, for the love of God, the Twins need to add to the payroll when they start to become a real team again. Once they become relevant, TR needs to get the payroll to $125 million or so.

Too bad ownership has no problem being wrong on deadbeats every offseason for the past decade. There is no way in hell the Twins will ever win a World Series with the mindset of the current Twins ownership. Offense and pitching both are weak spots for the Twins brass in terms of developing, targeting, retaining, and FA signing.

Really it is a joke when you break it down.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 1:18:34 PM

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Thought I heard this morning there may be an out in Tanaka's contract after year four. Not sure how it works, though.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 1:21:37 PM

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Could not agree more. Under the Pohlad/Ryan/Gardenhire regime, there is literally a 0%-1% chance of winning the World Series. It's not on their radar. They honestly don't care if they do or not. They are perfectly content to wait for the "catch lightning in a bottle" approach. Get hot at the right time and ride it to the world series. It ain't happening. New ballpark, yet still operating under the little engine that could mentality. And being more than happy to allow people to blame the current situation on Bill Smith, while ignoring the real reasons for this disaster.

Simply put, it's all about business and making money for them. Ryan understands this, and that's why they keep him around. Every single move he makes is based on profit. And inexplicably, Ryan doesn't correlate winning with profit. Overpay to fill a gaping hole? No f'ing way. I was so optimistic when they signed Nolasco and Hughes, until I was informed they had to make these signings just to get payroll up to last years level. What ever happened to 50-52% of revenue going to payroll? Lies. Lies. Lies.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 1:57:22 PM

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Thought I heard this morning there may be an out in Tanaka's contract after year four. Not sure how it works, though.

The contract provides Tanaka with an opt-out clause after the fourth season and also contains a full no-trade clause.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 2:17:48 PM

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Thought I heard this morning there may be an out in Tanaka's contract after year four. Not sure how it works, though.

The contract provides Tanaka with an opt-out clause after the fourth season and also contains a full no-trade clause.

OK, protection for him, not the Yanks. Thanks, Ed.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 2:20:23 PM

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What would have the Twins payroll been in 2014 if the only moves they made were to sign Tanaka and Cano?

Would be curios to see what the 2013 was and what 2014 would have been with those two signings.

Would have sold tickets, would have given REAL reason for hope, and would have two players that actually will complement Sano and Buxton.

Instead we get retreaded crap that everybody hopes doesn't perform like it did in 2013. Is there one player the Twins have acquired this offseason that we would be happy with if they posted 2013 numbers? Maybe the Dodgers pitcher and that is it?

Twins can certainly afford to sign Cano AND Tanaka...they can't afford to be wrong about Cano or Tanaka. That's the difference between the Yankees and Twins. But, for the love of God, the Twins need to add to the payroll when they start to become a real team again. Once they become relevant, TR needs to get the payroll to $125 million or so.

Exactly. We've only got so many of those big time contracts we can hold at one time, and Mauer has one already. We COULD have signed Cano and Tanaka (if they would have come here), but if any of those go wrong...you're sunk. And already we've moved Joe out from catcher.

I rather concentrate on the more reasonable signings for the moment. When you're a player or two away from getting over the top, then jump in the deep end -- but we're not there yet.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 3:00:38 PM

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What would have the Twins payroll been in 2014 if the only moves they made were to sign Tanaka and Cano?

Would be curios to see what the 2013 was and what 2014 would have been with those two signings.

Would have sold tickets, would have given REAL reason for hope, and would have two players that actually will complement Sano and Buxton.

Instead we get retreaded crap that everybody hopes doesn't perform like it did in 2013. Is there one player the Twins have acquired this offseason that we would be happy with if they posted 2013 numbers? Maybe the Dodgers pitcher and that is it?

Twins can certainly afford to sign Cano AND Tanaka...they can't afford to be wrong about Cano or Tanaka. That's the difference between the Yankees and Twins. But, for the love of God, the Twins need to add to the payroll when they start to become a real team again. Once they become relevant, TR needs to get the payroll to $125 million or so.

Exactly. We've only got so many of those big time contracts we can hold at one time, and Mauer has one already. We COULD have signed Cano and Tanaka (if they would have come here), but if any of those go wrong...you're sunk. And already we've moved Joe out from catcher.

I rather concentrate on the more reasonable signings for the moment. When you're a player or two away from getting over the top, then jump in the deep end -- but we're not there yet.

And the number of big time contracts the Twins can afford is officially set at one obviously, anybody who thinks that is truly all the stadium can afford you are nuts. If you are going to say the Twins are waiting to break the bank when Sano and Buxton hit it big you are doubly nuts. Twins will be damn lucky if one of them is a decent player much less the HOF talent we are lead to believe they are.

Have David Kahn and Terry Ryan ever been seem in the room at the same time? They might be the same person....can't give Love max dollars because we MIGHT have to give that to Rubio. lol, Rubio isn't worth a 3rd round pick in the D-League. If you are always planning on tomorrow you will find tomorrow never comes.

I would rather sign nothing then the constant stream of trash Ryan brings in. Give me real winning pieces or nothing. It is such a lie that the owners and Ryan are putting out to the public. If the goal is to win in the playoffs you have to have power pitchers that strike out people. You also have to have HR power hitters because you are not going to string together 3 hits very often in the playoffs.

If that isn't the "Twins Way" then what the "Twins Way" really means is fleece their fans for all they got.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 3:10:00 PM

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Could not agree more. Under the Pohlad/Ryan/Gardenhire regime, there is literally a 0%-1% chance of winning the World Series. It's not on their radar. They honestly don't care if they do or not. They are perfectly content to wait for the "catch lightning in a bottle" approach. Get hot at the right time and ride it to the world series. It ain't happening. New ballpark, yet still operating under the little engine that could mentality. And being more than happy to allow people to blame the current situation on Bill Smith, while ignoring the real reasons for this disaster.

Simply put, it's all about business and making money for them. Ryan understands this, and that's why they keep him around. Every single move he makes is based on profit. And inexplicably, Ryan doesn't correlate winning with profit. Overpay to fill a gaping hole? No f'ing way. I was so optimistic when they signed Nolasco and Hughes, until I was informed they had to make these signings just to get payroll up to last years level. What ever happened to 50-52% of revenue going to payroll? Lies. Lies. Lies.

"When did all these ball players show up"?

Welcome Black 47
Spot on post.
It's reality. Any talk by Twins leadership about serious contention is bullshit.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 3:12:49 PM

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Tanaka to the Yanks

Wow what a shock.

After posturing by the Dodgers(who really don't need him), the sCrUBS(who wants to play for a loser from overseas,besides the Nish disaster...do you get that Twins?)

It's the Yankees.

Duh

Some teams get it.

Terry Ryan and the Twins? not so much.

Bingo
Bango
Bongo
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If you are serious about winning, anyway.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 3:57:23 PM

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Just curious. Does anyone know that Tanaka is going to be THAT good? Personally I don't have a problem with them not competing with the Skankees for a $155M contract for him. What I do expect is that there is a known quantity like Garza available and the Twins have the money to spend on him. Don't just pay lip service to building a contender's rotation. Spend the f***in money and sign him.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 5:17:09 PM

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Looks like Baker won't go back to CHI, but he could wind up back in the AL Central.

After losing out on Masahiro Tanaka, the Cubs remain interested in adding rotation depth, likely in the form of a relatively minor signing, reports Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com. Chicago will not be in the market for one of the top remaining free agent starter, such as former Cubbie Matt Garza, unless a golden opportunity arises.

Neither is the club interested in bringing back Scott Baker, Rogers adds. According to Chris Cotillo of MLBDailyDish.com (via Twitter), the Mariners and Indians are more likely landing spots for the 32-year-old righty. The Cubs signed Baker to a one-year, $5.5MM deal last year, but Baker was only able to make three starts after a long Tommy John rehab.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 5:43:57 PM

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Looks like Baker won't go back to CHI, but he could wind up back in the AL Central.

After losing out on Masahiro Tanaka, the Cubs remain interested in adding rotation depth, likely in the form of a relatively minor signing, reports Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com. Chicago will not be in the market for one of the top remaining free agent starter, such as former Cubbie Matt Garza, unless a golden opportunity arises.

Neither is the club interested in bringing back Scott Baker, Rogers adds. According to Chris Cotillo of MLBDailyDish.com (via Twitter), the Mariners and Indians are more likely landing spots for the 32-year-old righty. The Cubs signed Baker to a one-year, $5.5MM deal last year, but Baker was only able to make three starts after a long Tommy John rehab.

How long did it take Baker to recover from surgery? He basically missed two seasons. What the heck was he doing? He probably had a clean bill of health, but was feeling things that weren't there. I imagine the Cubs couldn't get him out of there fast enough. The guy is a grade A wimp. Years of coddling will do that to you.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 6:18:39 PM

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Looks like Baker won't go back to CHI, but he could wind up back in the AL Central.

After losing out on Masahiro Tanaka, the Cubs remain interested in adding rotation depth, likely in the form of a relatively minor signing, reports Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com. Chicago will not be in the market for one of the top remaining free agent starter, such as former Cubbie Matt Garza, unless a golden opportunity arises.

Neither is the club interested in bringing back Scott Baker, Rogers adds. According to Chris Cotillo of MLBDailyDish.com (via Twitter), the Mariners and Indians are more likely landing spots for the 32-year-old righty. The Cubs signed Baker to a one-year, $5.5MM deal last year, but Baker was only able to make three starts after a long Tommy John rehab.

How long did it take Baker to recover from surgery? He basically missed two seasons. What the heck was he doing? He probably had a clean bill of health, but was feeling things that weren't there. I imagine the Cubs couldn't get him out of there fast enough. The guy is a grade A wimp. Years of coddling will do that to you.

You're either ewen or his twin brother.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 7:17:32 PM

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Looks like Baker won't go back to CHI, but he could wind up back in the AL Central.

After losing out on Masahiro Tanaka, the Cubs remain interested in adding rotation depth, likely in the form of a relatively minor signing, reports Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com. Chicago will not be in the market for one of the top remaining free agent starter, such as former Cubbie Matt Garza, unless a golden opportunity arises.

Neither is the club interested in bringing back Scott Baker, Rogers adds. According to Chris Cotillo of MLBDailyDish.com (via Twitter), the Mariners and Indians are more likely landing spots for the 32-year-old righty. The Cubs signed Baker to a one-year, $5.5MM deal last year, but Baker was only able to make three starts after a long Tommy John rehab.

How long did it take Baker to recover from surgery? He basically missed two seasons. What the heck was he doing? He probably had a clean bill of health, but was feeling things that weren't there. I imagine the Cubs couldn't get him out of there fast enough. The guy is a grade A wimp. Years of coddling will do that to you.

Baker needs 3 weeks on the DL to recover from a bad case of dandruff. I'm surprised he is already conscious 2 years after TJ surgery.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/22/2014 9:18:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Looks like Baker won't go back to CHI, but he could wind up back in the AL Central.

After losing out on Masahiro Tanaka, the Cubs remain interested in adding rotation depth, likely in the form of a relatively minor signing, reports Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com. Chicago will not be in the market for one of the top remaining free agent starter, such as former Cubbie Matt Garza, unless a golden opportunity arises.

Neither is the club interested in bringing back Scott Baker, Rogers adds. According to Chris Cotillo of MLBDailyDish.com (via Twitter), the Mariners and Indians are more likely landing spots for the 32-year-old righty. The Cubs signed Baker to a one-year, $5.5MM deal last year, but Baker was only able to make three starts after a long Tommy John rehab.

How long did it take Baker to recover from surgery? He basically missed two seasons. What the heck was he doing? He probably had a clean bill of health, but was feeling things that weren't there. I imagine the Cubs couldn't get him out of there fast enough. The guy is a grade A wimp. Years of coddling will do that to you.

Baker needs 3 weeks on the DL to recover from a bad case of dandruff. I'm surprised he is already conscious 2 years after TJ surgery.

But he is the 3rd best Twins starting pitcher over the past 20 years.

Funny how the best players are the most highly criticized.

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