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RE: Around the NFL - 1/6/2017 11:02:52 AM   
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I'd like to believe I'd follow the rules. Certainly if I tried to circumvent them and got some push back I'd like to believe I'd be the squeakiest cleanest yesman I could be with that kind of money on the line.

It will change someday soon. When pot is further and further legalized and it's treated no different than alcohol these guys can smoke their brains out. Unless you get an infraction, or criminal charge from drinking these guys can drink their faces off. But until that day comes - quit smoking!

You, more than anyone .... has proven when you truly need to straighten something out, it can be done.
You guys said it .... Grow up, take a ten year break from smoking weed. Grow up.

"Grow up" is a very generic phrase that is often tossed around, but has an ambiguous meaning. The guy has a substance abuse issue. Substance abuse isn't exclusively for kids or young adults and knows no boundaries. Plenty of so-called "grown-ups" have similar issues.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/6/2017 12:33:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a spiritual health thing. Once a person has crossed the line of addiction, they need an uncomplicated path to extended sobriety. First it takes about 12 to 18 months of sobriety for the brain to heal. Then another 2-5 years for the emotional development that has been stunted by the substance abuse. He doesn't want to make these stupid choices, anymore than Johnny Football. All evidence appears that they have the chaos that comes with addiction. Addiction is not a moral failing it is a disease. A disease of Choice. When and addict/alcoholic is under the influence or even pre-occupied with their next opportunity to use, they are unable to make a healthy choice. Relapse and bad behavior is a symptom of the disease. It becomes a survival instinct (I need my substance of choice in the next 5 minutes or I will not survive this moment.

(or I like to say substance of no choice, the substance where as soon as I take I have no ability to make the correct choice)

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/6/2017 2:18:07 PM   
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I'd like to believe I'd follow the rules. Certainly if I tried to circumvent them and got some push back I'd like to believe I'd be the squeakiest cleanest yesman I could be with that kind of money on the line.

It will change someday soon. When pot is further and further legalized and it's treated no different than alcohol these guys can smoke their brains out. Unless you get an infraction, or criminal charge from drinking these guys can drink their faces off. But until that day comes - quit smoking!

You, more than anyone .... has proven when you truly need to straighten something out, it can be done.
You guys said it .... Grow up, take a ten year break from smoking weed. Grow up.

"Grow up" is a very generic phrase that is often tossed around, but has an ambiguous meaning. The guy has a substance abuse issue. Substance abuse isn't exclusively for kids or young adults and knows no boundaries. Plenty of so-called "grown-ups" have similar issues.

If you want to keep the money and the fame and the eligibility, grow up.
Fight thru the addiction and your other self- or societal- induced issues.
Or give in and give it all up.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/9/2017 2:51:23 PM   
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RE: Around the NFL - 1/9/2017 2:54:19 PM   
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RE: Around the NFL - 1/9/2017 5:44:53 PM   
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It's a spiritual health thing. Once a person has crossed the line of addiction, they need an uncomplicated path to extended sobriety. First it takes about 12 to 18 months of sobriety for the brain to heal. Then another 2-5 years for the emotional development that has been stunted by the substance abuse. He doesn't want to make these stupid choices, anymore than Johnny Football. All evidence appears that they have the chaos that comes with addiction. Addiction is not a moral failing it is a disease. A disease of Choice. When and addict/alcoholic is under the influence or even pre-occupied with their next opportunity to use, they are unable to make a healthy choice. Relapse and bad behavior is a symptom of the disease. It becomes a survival instinct (I need my substance of choice in the next 5 minutes or I will not survive this moment.

(or I like to say substance of no choice, the substance where as soon as I take I have no ability to make the correct choice)


I'm not sure I'll ever get this and that's ok I guess. You say 'A disease of choice' - and I find it interesting that it is the only disease you can choose to stop having. Although I've seen it stated on this board that you still have the disease even after you stop abusing your drug of choice so that further complicates things to me. Every time someone stops abusing it's a choice. Every day you continue your sobriety - it's a choice. Un-disease like in every fashion to me. Then, if we're arguing that you will always have the disease - you're saying you can choose to not be symptomatic by choice?

Like I said - I might never get it. If tackling it like a disease helps people recover - then my opinion doesn't really matter...but again, it all seems very much not like a disease in any fashion to me. Cause you can't just choose away any other disease - or just choose to not suffer the symptoms of any other disease.
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RE: Around the NFL - 1/9/2017 6:30:03 PM   
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It's a spiritual health thing. Once a person has crossed the line of addiction, they need an uncomplicated path to extended sobriety. First it takes about 12 to 18 months of sobriety for the brain to heal. Then another 2-5 years for the emotional development that has been stunted by the substance abuse. He doesn't want to make these stupid choices, anymore than Johnny Football. All evidence appears that they have the chaos that comes with addiction. Addiction is not a moral failing it is a disease. A disease of Choice. When and addict/alcoholic is under the influence or even pre-occupied with their next opportunity to use, they are unable to make a healthy choice. Relapse and bad behavior is a symptom of the disease. It becomes a survival instinct (I need my substance of choice in the next 5 minutes or I will not survive this moment.

(or I like to say substance of no choice, the substance where as soon as I take I have no ability to make the correct choice)


I'm not sure I'll ever get this and that's ok I guess. You say 'A disease of choice' - and I find it interesting that it is the only disease you can choose to stop having. Although I've seen it stated on this board that you still have the disease even after you stop abusing your drug of choice so that further complicates things to me. Every time someone stops abusing it's a choice. Every day you continue your sobriety - it's a choice. Un-disease like in every fashion to me. Then, if we're arguing that you will always have the disease - you're saying you can choose to not be symptomatic by choice?

Like I said - I might never get it. If tackling it like a disease helps people recover - then my opinion doesn't really matter...but again, it all seems very much not like a disease in any fashion to me. Cause you can't just choose away any other disease - or just choose to not suffer the symptoms of any other disease.

As a guy with a little experience in this field, I guard against calling it one thing or another. Although the problems that drinking can cause are similar in most (DUI, lost job, broken home, etc...), the way they are dealt with can be very personal. What I do to stay sober could be radically different from the next. In addition, the depths that one goes to before getting sober can also be radically different from person-to-person. Everybody ticks a little differently.

It isn't so much about the choice of not to drink as it is about recognizing you have a problem and what you want to do once you come to the realization.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/10/2017 7:29:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that one of the reasons that it falls into the category of "disease" is that they have shown a chemical and/or genetic correlation to people who are prone to addictions. Even though an addiction can be addressed through behavior modification unlike other diseases, at its core the cause is very often a biological dysfunction. Having good cells turn into cancer cells is also a biological dysfunction.

Shrug.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/10/2017 8:19:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even if we concede a genetic predisposition it still boils down to choice.

I don't concede it but let's say we do.

You can do drugs and alter your brain and stop doing drugs and alter it back. With no medicine or surgery. Just choice. That excludes it from being a disease.



http://www.thecleanslate.org/myths/addiction-is-not-a-brain-disease-it-is-a-choice/
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RE: Around the NFL - 1/10/2017 9:44:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The confusion on whether or not it's a disease or not is valid. I myself didn't believe it even while still in treatment. I thought it was just an excuse or great way to get insurance to cover the costs of treatment.

Eventually I was shown a breakdown of what happens to the brain of an addict vs. a 'normal' person and that's what got me to believe it's a disease. You can look up the details for yourselves but in a nutshell your addiction will hijack the 'reward center' portion of your brain. This is the same part of your brain where your instincts to eat, fight, reproduce, breath, stay alive, etc... are managed. Skipping quite a few steps here but eventually your brain equates taking in your drug of choice as an essential part of survival and will fight with everything it has to get more. This is why there is such terrible behavior that comes along with addiction. And this is not a choice.

It's not a choice because doctors and researchers have also determined that some people will have this and some won't. You'd have to study up on this as well as it's pretty involved but basically they can actually 'see' biologically who 'has it' and who doesn't.

It's also a disease because it's been proven to progress in a person whether or not they are using or not. Addicts who have been sober for ten years will find if they go back to using they don't 'start over' but instead need an even higher level of drug than before. Death occurs as fast as if they'd still been using all along.

All this is just my memory of what I learned. It's pretty general and I'm sure we can find exceptions to every detail I laid out (much the same as we could with any disease).

Me personally I can (and do) addict to nearly anything. I've been addicted to alcohol, excitement, gambling, overeating, nicotine, Madden football, and porn. I'm currently addicted to Mobile Strike. I just recently treated for overeating so I'm currently at high risk for cross addicting to something new SO HIDE THE VICODINS!. LOL. Just kidding. Sort of. Not really kidding hide those things I love them.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/11/2017 7:56:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love the honesty we get on this site. Thanks for explaining that David.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/12/2017 12:26:58 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiKVQR90VM&list=PL8BKmIPMfjXA5c1dnEAUa9LQ8KPVJfl2T


The entire CD is available on Amazon for about $20

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/13/2017 5:06:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOS ANGELES -- In an audacious move that stole some of the spotlight from the uprooting Chargers and stunned many throughout the industry, the Rams revealed their new head coach Thursday, hiring 30-year-old Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Sean McVay to the vacant post.

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/13/2017 10:38:27 AM   
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According to Sports Illustrated’s Richard Deitsch, ESPN executives are moving forward with a long-rumored plan to remove Greenberg from the popular Mike and Mike radio program and shift him to a new morning show on the network that will combine elements of SportsCenter with a typical morning show.


http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/ESPN-shakeup-reportedly-continues-with-Mike--Mike.html

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RE: Around the NFL - 1/13/2017 10:46:00 AM   
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LOS ANGELES -- In an audacious move that stole some of the spotlight from the uprooting Chargers and stunned many throughout the industry, the Rams revealed their new head coach Thursday, hiring 30-year-old Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Sean McVay to the vacant post.


Interesting that they went from the poster boy for retread coaches to a young kid.
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RE: Around the NFL - 3/13/2017 8:02:31 PM   
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See need, fill need.
Add to the legend.
Sigh.
They make DYNASTY look easy.
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RE: Around the NFL - 3/21/2017 6:12:43 PM   
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If you get a chance read the stories about Aaron Hernandez and his old buddy he unsuccessfully tried to kill.
They're currently pointing fingers at each other in one of their murder cases.

Whoa .....
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RE: Around the NFL - 3/21/2017 7:55:20 PM   
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Whoa ......
If you get a chance read the stories about Aaron Hernandez and his old buddy he unsuccessfully tried to kill.
They're currently pointing fingers at each other in one of their murder cases.

Whoa .....


The ol' create reasonable doubt by creating two perps looking about equally guilty ploy.
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RE: Around the NFL - 4/14/2017 10:53:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seahawks seem to be disintegrating slowly.
Huge pieces wanting out, quitting, etc.
Good for the rest of the NFC
Another team whose horrible OL is killing them, yearly
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RE: Around the NFL - 4/14/2017 11:14:15 AM   
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Seahawks seem to be disintegrating slowly.
Huge pieces wanting out, quitting, etc.
Good for the rest of the NFC
Another team whose horrible OL is killing them, yearly


Sherman chewed out Bevell on the sideline for Bevell's INCREDIBLY terrible playcall and I don't think the team can overcome it. Sherman was correct but out of line. It's created a 'one of them must go' situation. I'm blown away that Seattle seams to be picking the wrong one.

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RE: Around the NFL - 4/19/2017 3:54:28 PM   
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RE: Around the NFL - 4/21/2017 1:55:58 PM   
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Bad typing edit. CRT oops.

< Message edited by Tim Cady -- 4/27/2017 1:44:05 PM >

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RE: Around the NFL - 4/22/2017 8:18:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		They said they'll be studying it for evidence of CTE which is certainly a possibility considering his years of playing football, but I don't think it would explain his behavior. It would be interesting if they discover something else in his brain, like a big part missing where critical thinking is usually stored.

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RE: Around the NFL - 4/22/2017 8:37:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think they should make it easier for prisoners to kill themselves. No need for it to have to be so violent. I've seen video of a guy taking a header into his toilet just to tap out.

Just say - I'd like the pill tonight. They bring you one, watch you take it, you die, and they toss your body. Even better - if it just destroyed the brain and they could use any body parts for any transplants that might be viable.

IDK...just thinking on a sunny Saturday after an exhausting week of work.
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RE: Around the NFL - 4/22/2017 11:15:08 AM   
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I think they should make it easier for prisoners to kill themselves. No need for it to have to be so violent. I've seen video of a guy taking a header into his toilet just to tap out.

Just say - I'd like the pill tonight. They bring you one, watch you take it, you die, and they toss your body. Even better - if it just destroyed the brain and they could use any body parts for any transplants that might be viable.

IDK...just thinking on a sunny Saturday after an exhausting week of work.

Right there my man.
Been saying that for years.
Give them (and us) an out.
I'd want that option if I ever ended up there.
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