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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?

Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent. I also have a pretty strong pro-science bias, so I have a real hard time with the fact that so many people don't actually look into the details of the league's report with any sort of critical thinking. My wife is a scientist, and doesn't give a crap about football (though she likes the Vikings to win so I'm not crabby) and even less of one about the Patriots in particular. She took one look at that report and said that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. The "science" didn't include a control group, didn't include consistent testing procedures, and is not reproducible.

Throw in the fact that the firm that did the "science" is a firm that has a history of producing reports that are scientifically questionable, but just so happen to support their clients' positions, and the fact that reputable scientists from places like MIT, UC Berkely, University of Michigan, USC, Stanford, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and even the University of Minnesota all agree that the conditions were sufficient to explain the deflation, and for the life of me the only reason I can see why anyone DOESN'T think the whole thing is bullshit is if they haven't looked into it, or if their dislike of the Patriots is so strong that they simply don't care what the facts are. I'm going to put you in column A.

Take a look at the Amicus brief filed by 21 physicists and engineers included in this story. I can't guarantee that you'll be convinced, but it is a lot more convincing than the Wells report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/21-scientists-say-tom-brady-is-right-and-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

But, as TGS astutely points out, the appeal had nothing to do with the science, and was only about whether or not Goodell has the power to impose punishment.

Dude I have looked into it and to this point what I have seen leads me to believe some tampering occurred. So I have looked into it and feel that way so I am not column A.
It is possible that if I continue to look into it further that I will change my opinion to that of no tampering occurred. I don't believe your second column fits me either.
I'm a person who typically doesn't just take they or somebody or whatever somebody is claiming as proof, because I think everyone has an agenda. That is why at this point in time I don't think either side has proven much of anything.

You'll note that the Dude never makes a claim that no tampering occurred. Just that there was no proof that tampering occurred.

He does make a claim that everyone should recognize it is bullshit Big O. As I stated to me that goes way beyond just saying their is no proof that it happened.

Even you just said NO ONE HAS PROVEN MUCH OF ANYTHING! Yet your good with Brady being suspended.

Pretty sure that makes you unable to recognize bullshit.

I already stated that the nfl doesn't have to prove anything. If they believe it happened IMO they need to take action.

And THAT'S bullshit.

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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?

Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent. I also have a pretty strong pro-science bias, so I have a real hard time with the fact that so many people don't actually look into the details of the league's report with any sort of critical thinking. My wife is a scientist, and doesn't give a crap about football (though she likes the Vikings to win so I'm not crabby) and even less of one about the Patriots in particular. She took one look at that report and said that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. The "science" didn't include a control group, didn't include consistent testing procedures, and is not reproducible.

Throw in the fact that the firm that did the "science" is a firm that has a history of producing reports that are scientifically questionable, but just so happen to support their clients' positions, and the fact that reputable scientists from places like MIT, UC Berkely, University of Michigan, USC, Stanford, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and even the University of Minnesota all agree that the conditions were sufficient to explain the deflation, and for the life of me the only reason I can see why anyone DOESN'T think the whole thing is bullshit is if they haven't looked into it, or if their dislike of the Patriots is so strong that they simply don't care what the facts are. I'm going to put you in column A.

Take a look at the Amicus brief filed by 21 physicists and engineers included in this story. I can't guarantee that you'll be convinced, but it is a lot more convincing than the Wells report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/21-scientists-say-tom-brady-is-right-and-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

But, as TGS astutely points out, the appeal had nothing to do with the science, and was only about whether or not Goodell has the power to impose punishment.

Dude I have looked into it and to this point what I have seen leads me to believe some tampering occurred. So I have looked into it and feel that way so I am not column A.
It is possible that if I continue to look into it further that I will change my opinion to that of no tampering occurred. I don't believe your second column fits me either.
I'm a person who typically doesn't just take they or somebody or whatever somebody is claiming as proof, because I think everyone has an agenda. That is why at this point in time I don't think either side has proven much of anything.

You'll note that the Dude never makes a claim that no tampering occurred. Just that there was no proof that tampering occurred.

He does make a claim that everyone should recognize it is bullshit Big O. As I stated to me that goes way beyond just saying their is no proof that it happened.

Even you just said NO ONE HAS PROVEN MUCH OF ANYTHING! Yet your good with Brady being suspended.

Pretty sure that makes you unable to recognize bullshit.

I already stated that the nfl doesn't have to prove anything. If they believe it happened IMO they need to take action.

And THAT'S bullshit.

Why is that Bullshit?

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He was being humorous.

That used to actually work around here.

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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?

Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent. I also have a pretty strong pro-science bias, so I have a real hard time with the fact that so many people don't actually look into the details of the league's report with any sort of critical thinking. My wife is a scientist, and doesn't give a crap about football (though she likes the Vikings to win so I'm not crabby) and even less of one about the Patriots in particular. She took one look at that report and said that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. The "science" didn't include a control group, didn't include consistent testing procedures, and is not reproducible.

Throw in the fact that the firm that did the "science" is a firm that has a history of producing reports that are scientifically questionable, but just so happen to support their clients' positions, and the fact that reputable scientists from places like MIT, UC Berkely, University of Michigan, USC, Stanford, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and even the University of Minnesota all agree that the conditions were sufficient to explain the deflation, and for the life of me the only reason I can see why anyone DOESN'T think the whole thing is bullshit is if they haven't looked into it, or if their dislike of the Patriots is so strong that they simply don't care what the facts are. I'm going to put you in column A.

Take a look at the Amicus brief filed by 21 physicists and engineers included in this story. I can't guarantee that you'll be convinced, but it is a lot more convincing than the Wells report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/21-scientists-say-tom-brady-is-right-and-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

But, as TGS astutely points out, the appeal had nothing to do with the science, and was only about whether or not Goodell has the power to impose punishment.

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Pro Football Rumors ‏@pfrumors 11s11 seconds ago
NFL Determines That Peyton Manning Did Not Use PEDs

ok, thank you

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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy …

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.

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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy …

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.

Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.

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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy …

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.

Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.

Right. It is odd. Maybe he didn't deceive them as much as they would of hoped

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.

Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.

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Pro Football Rumors ‏@pfrumors 11s11 seconds ago
NFL Determines That Peyton Manning Did Not Use PEDs

ok, thank you

No ruling on Pretty Clay, because he refused to participate in the investigation. (Per NFLPA)
Probably was just a hair product issue with him anyway.

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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?

Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent.

So, does your strong justice bias mean you won't be voting for Hilary? Oh I forgot, wrong thread!

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Around The NFLVerified account ‏@AroundTheNFL 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Josh Gordon to be reinstated, will serve four-game suspension at start of season

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Gordon's first game back may be a little overshadowed.

They play NE in Brady's first game as well.

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“He wants to give Josh another opportunity,” Rosenhaus told PFT. “He liked Josh and wants to help him and he deserves another chance.”


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should it matter if he likes Josh or not?

maybe he didnt 'like' AD, so he was put on the shelf?


liking should not make a difference, just do the standard time for the standard crime

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“He wants to give Josh another opportunity,” Rosenhaus told PFT. “He liked Josh and wants to help him and he deserves another chance.”


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should it matter if he likes Josh or not?

maybe he didnt 'like' AD, so he was put on the shelf?


liking should not make a difference, just do the standard time for the standard crime

Goodell playing God again. Idiot doesn't even follow their own policy. But he will gladly make new ones up as he goes along.

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Nah man. What people are saying is they hate that he just seems to randomly dish out punishment depending on whether he "likes the guy or not". You can't 'lead' like that.