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RE: Other NFL News - 7/15/2016 11:28:33 PM   
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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?


Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent. I also have a pretty strong pro-science bias, so I have a real hard time with the fact that so many people don't actually look into the details of the league's report with any sort of critical thinking. My wife is a scientist, and doesn't give a crap about football (though she likes the Vikings to win so I'm not crabby) and even less of one about the Patriots in particular. She took one look at that report and said that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. The "science" didn't include a control group, didn't include consistent testing procedures, and is not reproducible.

Throw in the fact that the firm that did the "science" is a firm that has a history of producing reports that are scientifically questionable, but just so happen to support their clients' positions, and the fact that reputable scientists from places like MIT, UC Berkely, University of Michigan, USC, Stanford, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and even the University of Minnesota all agree that the conditions were sufficient to explain the deflation, and for the life of me the only reason I can see why anyone DOESN'T think the whole thing is bullshit is if they haven't looked into it, or if their dislike of the Patriots is so strong that they simply don't care what the facts are. I'm going to put you in column A.

Take a look at the Amicus brief filed by 21 physicists and engineers included in this story. I can't guarantee that you'll be convinced, but it is a lot more convincing than the Wells report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/21-scientists-say-tom-brady-is-right-and-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

But, as TGS astutely points out, the appeal had nothing to do with the science, and was only about whether or not Goodell has the power to impose punishment.

Dude I have looked into it and to this point what I have seen leads me to believe some tampering occurred. So I have looked into it and feel that way so I am not column A.
It is possible that if I continue to look into it further that I will change my opinion to that of no tampering occurred. I don't believe your second column fits me either.
I'm a person who typically doesn't just take they or somebody or whatever somebody is claiming as proof, because I think everyone has an agenda. That is why at this point in time I don't think either side has proven much of anything.


You'll note that the Dude never makes a claim that no tampering occurred. Just that there was no proof that tampering occurred.

He does make a claim that everyone should recognize it is bullshit Big O. As I stated to me that goes way beyond just saying their is no proof that it happened.


Even you just said NO ONE HAS PROVEN MUCH OF ANYTHING! Yet your good with Brady being suspended.

Pretty sure that makes you unable to recognize bullshit.

I already stated that the nfl doesn't have to prove anything. If they believe it happened IMO they need to take action.


And THAT'S bullshit.

Why is that Bullshit?

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/18/2016 8:41:58 PM   
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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?


Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent. I also have a pretty strong pro-science bias, so I have a real hard time with the fact that so many people don't actually look into the details of the league's report with any sort of critical thinking. My wife is a scientist, and doesn't give a crap about football (though she likes the Vikings to win so I'm not crabby) and even less of one about the Patriots in particular. She took one look at that report and said that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. The "science" didn't include a control group, didn't include consistent testing procedures, and is not reproducible.

Throw in the fact that the firm that did the "science" is a firm that has a history of producing reports that are scientifically questionable, but just so happen to support their clients' positions, and the fact that reputable scientists from places like MIT, UC Berkely, University of Michigan, USC, Stanford, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and even the University of Minnesota all agree that the conditions were sufficient to explain the deflation, and for the life of me the only reason I can see why anyone DOESN'T think the whole thing is bullshit is if they haven't looked into it, or if their dislike of the Patriots is so strong that they simply don't care what the facts are. I'm going to put you in column A.

Take a look at the Amicus brief filed by 21 physicists and engineers included in this story. I can't guarantee that you'll be convinced, but it is a lot more convincing than the Wells report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/21-scientists-say-tom-brady-is-right-and-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

But, as TGS astutely points out, the appeal had nothing to do with the science, and was only about whether or not Goodell has the power to impose punishment.

Dude I have looked into it and to this point what I have seen leads me to believe some tampering occurred. So I have looked into it and feel that way so I am not column A.
It is possible that if I continue to look into it further that I will change my opinion to that of no tampering occurred. I don't believe your second column fits me either.
I'm a person who typically doesn't just take they or somebody or whatever somebody is claiming as proof, because I think everyone has an agenda. That is why at this point in time I don't think either side has proven much of anything.


You'll note that the Dude never makes a claim that no tampering occurred. Just that there was no proof that tampering occurred.

He does make a claim that everyone should recognize it is bullshit Big O. As I stated to me that goes way beyond just saying their is no proof that it happened.


Even you just said NO ONE HAS PROVEN MUCH OF ANYTHING! Yet your good with Brady being suspended.

Pretty sure that makes you unable to recognize bullshit.

I already stated that the nfl doesn't have to prove anything. If they believe it happened IMO they need to take action.


And THAT'S bullshit.

Why is that Bullshit?


Sounds more like horseshit. It's chickenshit to say otherwise. But the whole thing is dogshit.

Shit happens.
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/18/2016 9:00:47 PM   
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I'm guessing big O believes that Brady is entitled to the same standards as a criminal case. I think he is entitled to the same standards as a civil suit.

Just two ways of looking at it and I don't think either way is deserving of being called bullshit.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/19/2016 5:02:32 AM   
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He was being humorous.

That used to actually work around here.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/19/2016 8:34:57 AM   
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He was being humorous.

That used to actually work around here.

Maybe he was TOE. You probably are right. I just have a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt with the history between us.
OK I apologize to Bill.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/19/2016 6:09:17 PM  1 votes
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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?


Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent. I also have a pretty strong pro-science bias, so I have a real hard time with the fact that so many people don't actually look into the details of the league's report with any sort of critical thinking. My wife is a scientist, and doesn't give a crap about football (though she likes the Vikings to win so I'm not crabby) and even less of one about the Patriots in particular. She took one look at that report and said that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. The "science" didn't include a control group, didn't include consistent testing procedures, and is not reproducible.

Throw in the fact that the firm that did the "science" is a firm that has a history of producing reports that are scientifically questionable, but just so happen to support their clients' positions, and the fact that reputable scientists from places like MIT, UC Berkely, University of Michigan, USC, Stanford, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and even the University of Minnesota all agree that the conditions were sufficient to explain the deflation, and for the life of me the only reason I can see why anyone DOESN'T think the whole thing is bullshit is if they haven't looked into it, or if their dislike of the Patriots is so strong that they simply don't care what the facts are. I'm going to put you in column A.

Take a look at the Amicus brief filed by 21 physicists and engineers included in this story. I can't guarantee that you'll be convinced, but it is a lot more convincing than the Wells report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/21-scientists-say-tom-brady-is-right-and-the-nfl-is-wrong_us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

But, as TGS astutely points out, the appeal had nothing to do with the science, and was only about whether or not Goodell has the power to impose punishment.




So, does your strong justice bias mean you won't be voting for Hilary? Oh I forgot, wrong thread!
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 9:52:24 AM   
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 7/25/2016 10:04:25 AM >
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:01:41 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors ‏@pfrumors 11s11 seconds ago
NFL Determines That Peyton Manning Did Not Use PEDs

ok, thank you
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:04:42 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors ‏@pfrumors 11s11 seconds ago
NFL Determines That Peyton Manning Did Not Use PEDs

ok, thank you

No ruling on Pretty Clay, because he refused to participate in the investigation. (Per NFLPA)
Probably was just a hair product issue with him anyway.
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:13:16 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.


Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:25:34 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy

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Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.


Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.

Right. It is odd. Maybe he didn't deceive them as much as they would of hoped
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:31:16 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy

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Arif Hasan Retweeted
Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.


Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.

Right. It is odd. Maybe he didn't deceive them as much as they would of hoped


I get doing the due diligence part, but in my mind just bringing him in for a look is almost as bad a PR move as signing him.

It's like they must have been OK with the woman beater part, but they found out he is a super douche too?

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:54:22 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors
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Jaguars GM: Team Not Signing Greg Hardy At This Time http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/07/jaguars-not-signing-greg-hardy

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Arif Hasan Retweeted
Michael DiRocco ‏@ESPNdirocco 35m35 minutes ago
Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said team brought in Greg Hardy to find out more about him. Says team has no plans to sign him now.


Odd. What did they discover that they didn't know before?

He is an asshole and will continue to be an asshole.



He's a talented asshole.

But if the Defensively needy Cowboys with the insanely tolerant of bad off field behaviors owner Jerry Jones wouldn't keep him...

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 10:57:46 AM   
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Pro Football Rumors ‏@pfrumors 11s11 seconds ago
NFL Determines That Peyton Manning Did Not Use PEDs

ok, thank you

No ruling on Pretty Clay, because he refused to participate in the investigation. (Per NFLPA)
Probably was just a hair product issue with him anyway.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 1:06:30 PM   
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Around The NFLVerified account ‏@AroundTheNFL 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Josh Gordon to be reinstated, will serve four-game suspension at start of season
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 1:07:09 PM   
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Gordon's first game back may be a little overshadowed.

They play NE in Brady's first game as well.
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 2:54:25 PM   
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Dude you aren't biased about this in any way?


Absolutely. I have a very strong pro-justice bias, and it drives me crazy to see the legal system abused by people with ill intent.


So, does your strong justice bias mean you won't be voting for Hilary? Oh I forgot, wrong thread!


Hell yes, it does. I will be voting third party for sure. But you are correct, this is the wrong thread.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 3:18:56 PM   
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Around The NFLVerified account ‏@AroundTheNFL 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Josh Gordon to be reinstated, will serve four-game suspension at start of season


sorry, cross-posted to vikes thread

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 3:21:45 PM   
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“He wants to give Josh another opportunity,” Rosenhaus told PFT. “He liked Josh and wants to help him and he deserves another chance.”


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should it matter if he likes Josh or not?

maybe he didnt 'like' AD, so he was put on the shelf?


liking should not make a difference, just do the standard time for the standard crime

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 3:23:11 PM   
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Gordon's first game back may be a little overshadowed.

They play NE in Brady's first game as well.



do you think the browns keep him?

i have no idea, but i would think they would want to dump him before he is suspended again


and, does anyone know what the ruling was about whether he accrued another year on his contract?

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 4:01:47 PM   
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/25/2016 4:06:10 PM   
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“He wants to give Josh another opportunity,” Rosenhaus told PFT. “He liked Josh and wants to help him and he deserves another chance.”


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should it matter if he likes Josh or not?

maybe he didnt 'like' AD, so he was put on the shelf?


liking should not make a difference, just do the standard time for the standard crime


Goodell playing God again. Idiot doesn't even follow their own policy. But he will gladly make new ones up as he goes along.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/26/2016 9:58:35 AM   
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“He wants to give Josh another opportunity,” Rosenhaus told PFT. “He liked Josh and wants to help him and he deserves another chance.”


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should it matter if he likes Josh or not?

maybe he didnt 'like' AD, so he was put on the shelf?


liking should not make a difference, just do the standard time for the standard crime


Goodell playing God again. Idiot doesn't even follow their own policy. But he will gladly make new ones up as he goes along.


So you think Josh doesn't deserve another chance?

Is Goodell a total ass for giving it to him?

Some people really hate Goodell. I personally am indifferent to him. Couldn't care less if he stays or goes. But some people really hate the guy. find any reason under the sun to bash him. It's almost political.

I have no problem with Gordon getting another chance at redemption...if he blows it, it's likely his career.

So Goodell puts the ball figuratively in Gordon's court. Time for Gordon to run with it. If he succeeds its a great story about redemption. If he fails, a tragic end to a career that could have been brilliant.

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RE: Other NFL News - 7/26/2016 10:40:39 AM   
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Nah man. What people are saying is they hate that he just seems to randomly dish out punishment depending on whether he "likes the guy or not". You can't 'lead' like that.
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RE: Other NFL News - 7/26/2016 10:45:07 AM   
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Nah man. What people are saying is they hate that he just seems to randomly dish out punishment depending on whether he "likes the guy or not". You can't 'lead' like that.



IIRC Josh sat out all of last year on this suspension.

The punishment has already been dished out on him quite a bit.

This is the commish giving a guy one last chance. I don't think it has anything to do with liking the guy or not.

If anything its a PR move by Goodell to make it look like he doesn't want to continue to be the random and evil punisher.

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