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If you are hanging on for dear life, you dont fix a problem by simply throwing in worse players. That is begging for an even worse situation.
I myself am surprised they didnt try Isidora more but I dont watch him practice.
I believe the personnel people failed miserably by targeting veterans Andrews, Jones, Edison, and as depth ... obviously none of them practiced to expectation.
Bottomline, there arent plug and play OL on the street during the season to plug gaps.
But the answer is not to simply stick someone worse for the sake of change. You try and get your better players healthier, better technique and continuity wise, and you adapt your playcalling to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses.
I agree with you 100 percent Tom, but too often Zim has proven to stick with the same players, no matter how ineffective they are. Treadwell, Compton, Remmers, Hill and Sendejo are good examples.
Sendejo wasn't a bad player, but I think Harris proved to be much more effective. It took Sendejo to get injured to bring Harris in. Same with O'Neil. Hill gets hurt and O'Neil comes in and plays better. I thought Jones and Isidora could have played just as bad as Compton/Elf/Remmers, but they were never really given an opportunity.
And don't get me started on Treadwell. I had a lot of hope for him, but there could have been another player brought in and given a chance to produce.
Change is good when it's needed.
And I'll even give Remmers a slight pass. I still don't know why these coaches have a fascination to play guys out of their natural positions. Remmers was a much better RT than G.
That Wiszcy guy got picked up by Chicago and started for them while Long was out. Jones played decently in NY last year. Both of which destroys the it's the personnel argument. It was both, coaching and front office. Neither get a pass from me.
If you believe the posters over at Windy City Gridiron, there was no drop off from Long to Witzmann and several were advocating moving on from Long to save some cap space.
Zimmer was praising the oline after the first Chicago game. I hope Kubiak can save Zimmer from himself. The less Zim is involved in the offense, the better.
I am excited about Dennison as the new oline coach.
Well if you concede that it was both personnel and coaching, it doesn't exactly 'destroy' the personnel argument.
Unless by 'Front Office' you mean the executive staff (Spielman, etc.) pluck names out of a hat to populate the roster (without any pro personnel scouting or research).
And no, I don't put much stock in the Windy City Gridiron.
But just to clarify ... as a whole, I agree that coaching was a big part of the OL performance this past year. Which I attribute to a muddied OC situation and Sporano.
We also did not score any help through free agency, even though we brought in 4 veterans with some starting experience. IMO that is not getting it done on a personnel level.
That original premise was that there were better options than what we played all season. You argued that those that didn't play were inferior options.
The rest is just noise.
Got it. I'll keep it simple. IMO it wasn't just coaching ... we didn't bring in the right players to back up. That's personnel.
You were a condescending prig after the draft and nothing has changed.
Here's a few fan favorites:
Maybe for Happy Norseman and Pager who are out there wandering the earth, anguished over their unslaked thirst for a RG or any OL at#30 ... then eviscerated by Spielman's inability to predict the draft. Two hollow draft souls they are.
To sum it up ...
The majority of posters didn't like the draft as a whole, during and shortly after.
Most have moved on into the 'wait and see' position ...
A few are now wholly positive and focused on the 'vast' potential of these never-before-heard-of prospects ...
Some are still gnawing on their gall bladders over the RG-less #30 selection, and the effect of a combo Fahrenheit 451 / Handmaiden's Tale public censuring by the board afterwards.
Stand up and take a bow.
I'll make you a deal. When I block you after this post, you block me as well
Pager, I'll quote his funny stuff for you.
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That's funnier than any of his shit bigo.
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