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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 1:39:46 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Not worried one bit about losing Hill for 4 games....Kearse and Harris are very good (3 Safety/Nickel Safetys).



Alrighty... we can roll out Kearse at CB! Even more reason to trade Waynes!

Hill keeps the regime on their toes, "You thought I'd get busted for MJ, try PEDs suckas!"


With 'logic' like that, of course you are not worried one bit


Cmon Bill...In what other position do they have that much depth? Rhodes, Waynes, Mac, and Hughes....plus Kearse has played Nickel CB before. Hill missing 4 games, really not going to be a problem unless someone else is injured.

Chances are Hughes will not be ready to start the season

Hill is out the first 4 games

Trading Waynes would be suicide



Agreed. Whether to trade Waynes is a decision that better not be made in a vacuum of four games revolving around the idiot Hill. Instead, they are probably looking at the bigger picture:

Hill. The only proven thing about Hill is his problem with substances of all sorts. The going in position is to assume Hill finds ways to ban himself out of the league.

Mac. A FA next year, and it hasn't exactly been a lovefest.

Hughes. Unproven plus who knows how he will be after the knee.

Rhodes. Oft injured, Isn't the Rhodes from two years ago.


If we trade Waynes, next year Kearse just might have to play nickel!




alexander and kearse are not even signed for next season....

i was thrilled to have hill, but he's turned out to be a total flake - very disappointing and at this point, we can't count on him for anything...he has to reprove himself to the team starting at zero....

hughes is coming off of a major injury....

i say, give waynes an extension and lower his cap hit for a couple of seasons....

We are trying to to find two coins to rub together to extend Thielen ... who vastly deserves it. Maybe extending Waynes will free up some money that could help but, in the end, we are also adding another big ticket defensive item to the cap.

Hunter Joseph Griffith Kendricks Barr Rhodes Smith Waynes.

Cousins Diggs Reiff Rudolph Thielen

I don't know. I think if you focus hard enough, you can find weaknesses in any position of strength. From a starting talent / depth standpoint I would say DE and CB are the positions of strength on this team. (Spielman has spoiled Zimmer).

Do we move forward by holding the strength of our current roster together for as long as possible - or - do we give some of our strength away to theoretically improve the weaker parts?



Trade Waynes for a 3rd. Then for the first month of the season of 2019 roll out the following CBs:

- Outside: Rhodes
- Outside: Mac
- Slot: the AAF guy

Depth
- None, although there is a guy named James on the roster.



That's not even worst case scenario ... that's just scare tactic.

More likely

- Outside: Rhodes
- Slot: Kearse / Maybe Mac
- Outside: Mac / Maybe first rd. pick Hughes

That we know of. There are still FINAL CB roster spots that are wide open.

And if we trade Waynes, maybe a drafted mid-round CB thrown in the mix. There will already be a late rd. one for sure.

Not to mention the 5-6 other roster-filler CBs we will be signing from after the draft through training camp.

This is for the first 2-4 games (depending on Hill's appeal) ... and then we have Hill.

I'm not even sure I would trade Waynes ... I have no idea what the progress / ETA of Hughes is ... what we could get / is being offered for Waynes ... where else we can get the cap under control moving forward ... if Waynes is in our long range plans or Alexander, etc. – too many unknonws.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 4/7/2019 1:42:27 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 1:40:45 PM   
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i'd consider extending waynes, e.g., $50m/5yrs and a $20m signing bonus - to lower his cap hit this season...that could bring waynes' number down to $5m in 2019 and 2020 - then $13.3 each of the next three seasons....

I like Waynes but I'm not a fan of back loading contracts.

Barr's is back loaded as is Cousins to a lesser extent.

In the past we front loaded contracts which gave us flexibility to go after a decent FA or two.

A 500 team shouldn't be doing this. The Wilf's are inexperienced owners so Spielman is going to keep doing this so he can keep caching a pay check. But the next GM will be buried in cap hell.




rhodes is 29 this june...if we front load waynes for two years then when rhodes leaves in 2021 waynes is paid...i look at barr's contract like it's a three-year deal - and then we reassess...just like every contract....

extending waynes could save us $4m this year and i know that spielman is going to do somethng with rudolph, he's just not in a big hurry to do it...so that's another $3m saved....

we're running a team on the edge

spielman has a plan that will develop around or after the draft...we shall see....


i see the draft this years as:

dt....dexter lawrence - a hulking beast that allows us to let joseph go in 2020
guard...lindstrom - starter at left guard
o-tackle....someone to play right tackle in 2020 when o'neill moves to left and reiff is traded

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 1:43:40 PM   
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at this moment, my money would be on that we keep waynes at least through this season....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 3:34:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Not worried one bit about losing Hill for 4 games....Kearse and Harris are very good (3 Safety/Nickel Safetys).



Alrighty... we can roll out Kearse at CB! Even more reason to trade Waynes!

Hill keeps the regime on their toes, "You thought I'd get busted for MJ, try PEDs suckas!"


With 'logic' like that, of course you are not worried one bit


Cmon Bill...In what other position do they have that much depth? Rhodes, Waynes, Mac, and Hughes....plus Kearse has played Nickel CB before. Hill missing 4 games, really not going to be a problem unless someone else is injured.

Chances are Hughes will not be ready to start the season

Hill is out the first 4 games

Trading Waynes would be suicide



Agreed. Whether to trade Waynes is a decision that better not be made in a vacuum of four games revolving around the idiot Hill. Instead, they are probably looking at the bigger picture:

Hill. The only proven thing about Hill is his problem with substances of all sorts. The going in position is to assume Hill finds ways to ban himself out of the league.

Mac. A FA next year, and it hasn't exactly been a lovefest.

Hughes. Unproven plus who knows how he will be after the knee.

Rhodes. Oft injured, Isn't the Rhodes from two years ago.


If we trade Waynes, next year Kearse just might have to play nickel!




alexander and kearse are not even signed for next season....

i was thrilled to have hill, but he's turned out to be a total flake - very disappointing and at this point, we can't count on him for anything...he has to reprove himself to the team starting at zero....

hughes is coming off of a major injury....

i say, give waynes an extension and lower his cap hit for a couple of seasons....

We are trying to to find two coins to rub together to extend Thielen ... who vastly deserves it. Maybe extending Waynes will free up some money that could help but, in the end, we are also adding another big ticket defensive item to the cap.

Hunter Joseph Griffith Kendricks Barr Rhodes Smith Waynes.

Cousins Diggs Reiff Rudolph Thielen

I don't know. I think if you focus hard enough, you can find weaknesses in any position of strength. From a starting talent / depth standpoint I would say DE and CB are the positions of strength on this team. (Spielman has spoiled Zimmer).

Do we move forward by holding the strength of our current roster together for as long as possible - or - do we give some of our strength away to theoretically improve the weaker parts?



Trade Waynes for a 3rd. Then for the first month of the season of 2019 roll out the following CBs:

- Outside: Rhodes
- Outside: Mac
- Slot: the AAF guy

Depth
- None, although there is a guy named James on the roster.



That's not even worst case scenario ... that's just scare tactic.

More likely

- Outside: Rhodes
- Slot: Kearse / Maybe Mac
- Outside: Mac / Maybe first rd. pick Hughes

That we know of. There are still FINAL CB roster spots that are wide open.

And if we trade Waynes, maybe a drafted mid-round CB thrown in the mix. There will already be a late rd. one for sure.

Not to mention the 5-6 other roster-filler CBs we will be signing from after the draft through training camp.

This is for the first 2-4 games (depending on Hill's appeal) ... and then we have Hill.

I'm not even sure I would trade Waynes ... I have no idea what the progress / ETA of Hughes is ... what we could get / is being offered for Waynes ... where else we can get the cap under control moving forward ... if Waynes is in our long range plans or Alexander, etc. – too many unknonws.



I'll have to agree with you: we start the season with Rhodes and Mac, nickel unknown, depth not yet on the roster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 3:44:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

i'd consider extending waynes, e.g., $50m/5yrs and a $20m signing bonus - to lower his cap hit this season...that could bring waynes' number down to $5m in 2019 and 2020 - then $13.3 each of the next three seasons....

I like Waynes but I'm not a fan of back loading contracts.

Barr's is back loaded as is Cousins to a lesser extent.

In the past we front loaded contracts which gave us flexibility to go after a decent FA or two.

A 500 team shouldn't be doing this. The Wilf's are inexperienced owners so Spielman is going to keep doing this so he can keep caching a pay check. But the next GM will be buried in cap hell.




rhodes is 29 this june...if we front load waynes for two years then when rhodes leaves in 2021 waynes is paid...i look at barr's contract like it's a three-year deal - and then we reassess...just like every contract....

extending waynes could save us $4m this year and i know that spielman is going to do somethng with rudolph, he's just not in a big hurry to do it...so that's another $3m saved....

we're running a team on the edge

spielman has a plan that will develop around or after the draft...we shall see....


i see the draft this years as:

dt....dexter lawrence - a hulking beast that allows us to let joseph go in 2020
guard...lindstrom - starter at left guard
o-tackle....someone to play right tackle in 2020 when o'neill moves to left and reiff is traded



Drafting 340 lb. run-stuffing Joseph and Lawrence types high may be trending down fast. Bring in 5th round, one-dimensional run-stuffers when its 3rd/4th and short then send them back to the bench.

Looking at the weight of the top DTs:
Williams 295
Oliver 285
Wilkins 300
Simmons 300
Tillery 305

Saunders, mentioned earlier, is interesting. 6-1, 322 who strength is his athleticism and agility.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 4/7/2019 3:47:36 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 9:34:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

i'd consider extending waynes, e.g., $50m/5yrs and a $20m signing bonus - to lower his cap hit this season...that could bring waynes' number down to $5m in 2019 and 2020 - then $13.3 each of the next three seasons....

I like Waynes but I'm not a fan of back loading contracts.

Barr's is back loaded as is Cousins to a lesser extent.

In the past we front loaded contracts which gave us flexibility to go after a decent FA or two.

A 500 team shouldn't be doing this. The Wilf's are inexperienced owners so Spielman is going to keep doing this so he can keep caching a pay check. But the next GM will be buried in cap hell.




rhodes is 29 this june...if we front load waynes for two years then when rhodes leaves in 2021 waynes is paid...i look at barr's contract like it's a three-year deal - and then we reassess...just like every contract....

extending waynes could save us $4m this year and i know that spielman is going to do somethng with rudolph, he's just not in a big hurry to do it...so that's another $3m saved....

we're running a team on the edge

spielman has a plan that will develop around or after the draft...we shall see....


i see the draft this years as:

dt....dexter lawrence - a hulking beast that allows us to let joseph go in 2020
guard...lindstrom - starter at left guard
o-tackle....someone to play right tackle in 2020 when o'neill moves to left and reiff is traded

Dexter Lawrence while certainly is no slouch is a NT. We are in more of a market for a 3t

Deep DL draft and with the proper scouting we could easily land a good dt in the 3rd rd

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 9:52:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Not worried one bit about losing Hill for 4 games....Kearse and Harris are very good (3 Safety/Nickel Safetys).



Alrighty... we can roll out Kearse at CB! Even more reason to trade Waynes!

Hill keeps the regime on their toes, "You thought I'd get busted for MJ, try PEDs suckas!"


With 'logic' like that, of course you are not worried one bit


Cmon Bill...In what other position do they have that much depth? Rhodes, Waynes, Mac, and Hughes....plus Kearse has played Nickel CB before. Hill missing 4 games, really not going to be a problem unless someone else is injured.


The 2019 "Sherels" argument.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/7/2019 10:07:19 PM   
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Don't most, or all teams still carry a nose tackle on their roster? I believe so. Joseph is on the field for most first and second downs. I believe he is off the field for most third downs. I would think that offenses would try to exploit defenses that don't employ a true nose tackle on running downs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 8:31:20 AM   
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This website has been a little funny the past few hours. Was there some maintenance being done, or something?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 8:41:45 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Not worried one bit about losing Hill for 4 games....Kearse and Harris are very good (3 Safety/Nickel Safetys).



Alrighty... we can roll out Kearse at CB! Even more reason to trade Waynes!

Hill keeps the regime on their toes, "You thought I'd get busted for MJ, try PEDs suckas!"


With 'logic' like that, of course you are not worried one bit


Cmon Bill...In what other position do they have that much depth? Rhodes, Waynes, Mac, and Hughes....plus Kearse has played Nickel CB before. Hill missing 4 games, really not going to be a problem unless someone else is injured.

Chances are Hughes will not be ready to start the season

Hill is out the first 4 games

Trading Waynes would be suicide



Agreed. Whether to trade Waynes is a decision that better not be made in a vacuum of four games revolving around the idiot Hill. Instead, they are probably looking at the bigger picture:

Hill. The only proven thing about Hill is his problem with substances of all sorts. The going in position is to assume Hill finds ways to ban himself out of the league.

Mac. A FA next year, and it hasn't exactly been a lovefest.

Hughes. Unproven plus who knows how he will be after the knee.

Rhodes. Oft injured, Isn't the Rhodes from two years ago.


If we trade Waynes, next year Kearse just might have to play nickel!




alexander and kearse are not even signed for next season....

i was thrilled to have hill, but he's turned out to be a total flake - very disappointing and at this point, we can't count on him for anything...he has to reprove himself to the team starting at zero....

hughes is coming off of a major injury....

i say, give waynes an extension and lower his cap hit for a couple of seasons....

We are trying to to find two coins to rub together to extend Thielen ... who vastly deserves it. Maybe extending Waynes will free up some money that could help but, in the end, we are also adding another big ticket defensive item to the cap.

Hunter Joseph Griffith Kendricks Barr Rhodes Smith Waynes.

Cousins Diggs Reiff Rudolph Thielen

I don't know. I think if you focus hard enough, you can find weaknesses in any position of strength. From a starting talent / depth standpoint I would say DE and CB are the positions of strength on this team. (Spielman has spoiled Zimmer).

Do we move forward by holding the strength of our current roster together for as long as possible - or - do we give some of our strength away to theoretically improve the weaker parts?



Trade Waynes for a 3rd. Then for the first month of the season of 2019 roll out the following CBs:

- Outside: Rhodes
- Outside: Mac
- Slot: the AAF guy

Depth
- None, although there is a guy named James on the roster.



That's not even worst case scenario ... that's just scare tactic.

More likely

- Outside: Rhodes
- Slot: Kearse / Maybe Mac
- Outside: Mac / Maybe first rd. pick Hughes

That we know of. There are still FINAL CB roster spots that are wide open.

And if we trade Waynes, maybe a drafted mid-round CB thrown in the mix. There will already be a late rd. one for sure.

Not to mention the 5-6 other roster-filler CBs we will be signing from after the draft through training camp.

This is for the first 2-4 games (depending on Hill's appeal) ... and then we have Hill.

I'm not even sure I would trade Waynes ... I have no idea what the progress / ETA of Hughes is ... what we could get / is being offered for Waynes ... where else we can get the cap under control moving forward ... if Waynes is in our long range plans or Alexander, etc. – too many unknonws.



I'll have to agree with you: we start the season with Rhodes and Mac, nickel unknown, depth not yet on the roster.

Nice try. If we traded Waynes - before the draft- our cb position would be - before the draft - rhodes, mac, hughes, hill (and slot Kearse) for the season. With uncertainty - before the draft - of what the cb group is going to look like before game one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 9:14:49 AM   
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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 9:21:21 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 9:24:48 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 9:26:12 AM   
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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....

I’m pretty sure we will be keeping Waynes but Kearse did get some time in the slot last year and played well. Which was surprising. Yes he is a back-up Safety and primarily a ST dude.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 9:35:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

i'd consider extending waynes, e.g., $50m/5yrs and a $20m signing bonus - to lower his cap hit this season...that could bring waynes' number down to $5m in 2019 and 2020 - then $13.3 each of the next three seasons....

I like Waynes but I'm not a fan of back loading contracts.

Barr's is back loaded as is Cousins to a lesser extent.

In the past we front loaded contracts which gave us flexibility to go after a decent FA or two.

A 500 team shouldn't be doing this. The Wilf's are inexperienced owners so Spielman is going to keep doing this so he can keep caching a pay check. But the next GM will be buried in cap hell.




rhodes is 29 this june...if we front load waynes for two years then when rhodes leaves in 2021 waynes is paid...i look at barr's contract like it's a three-year deal - and then we reassess...just like every contract....

extending waynes could save us $4m this year and i know that spielman is going to do somethng with rudolph, he's just not in a big hurry to do it...so that's another $3m saved....

we're running a team on the edge

spielman has a plan that will develop around or after the draft...we shall see....


i see the draft this years as:

dt....dexter lawrence - a hulking beast that allows us to let joseph go in 2020
guard...lindstrom - starter at left guard
o-tackle....someone to play right tackle in 2020 when o'neill moves to left and reiff is traded

Dexter Lawrence while certainly is no slouch is a NT. We are in more of a market for a 3t

Deep DL draft and with the proper scouting we could easily land a good dt in the 3rd rd

Maybe if Lawrence lost 20 pounds and gets working with Patterson, he could become a NT and 3 tech.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 12:18:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Not worried one bit about losing Hill for 4 games....Kearse and Harris are very good (3 Safety/Nickel Safetys).



Alrighty... we can roll out Kearse at CB! Even more reason to trade Waynes!

Hill keeps the regime on their toes, "You thought I'd get busted for MJ, try PEDs suckas!"


With 'logic' like that, of course you are not worried one bit


Cmon Bill...In what other position do they have that much depth? Rhodes, Waynes, Mac, and Hughes....plus Kearse has played Nickel CB before. Hill missing 4 games, really not going to be a problem unless someone else is injured.

Chances are Hughes will not be ready to start the season

Hill is out the first 4 games

Trading Waynes would be suicide



Agreed. Whether to trade Waynes is a decision that better not be made in a vacuum of four games revolving around the idiot Hill. Instead, they are probably looking at the bigger picture:

Hill. The only proven thing about Hill is his problem with substances of all sorts. The going in position is to assume Hill finds ways to ban himself out of the league.

Mac. A FA next year, and it hasn't exactly been a lovefest.

Hughes. Unproven plus who knows how he will be after the knee.

Rhodes. Oft injured, Isn't the Rhodes from two years ago.


If we trade Waynes, next year Kearse just might have to play nickel!




alexander and kearse are not even signed for next season....

i was thrilled to have hill, but he's turned out to be a total flake - very disappointing and at this point, we can't count on him for anything...he has to reprove himself to the team starting at zero....

hughes is coming off of a major injury....

i say, give waynes an extension and lower his cap hit for a couple of seasons....

We are trying to to find two coins to rub together to extend Thielen ... who vastly deserves it. Maybe extending Waynes will free up some money that could help but, in the end, we are also adding another big ticket defensive item to the cap.

Hunter Joseph Griffith Kendricks Barr Rhodes Smith Waynes.

Cousins Diggs Reiff Rudolph Thielen

I don't know. I think if you focus hard enough, you can find weaknesses in any position of strength. From a starting talent / depth standpoint I would say DE and CB are the positions of strength on this team. (Spielman has spoiled Zimmer).

Do we move forward by holding the strength of our current roster together for as long as possible - or - do we give some of our strength away to theoretically improve the weaker parts?



Trade Waynes for a 3rd. Then for the first month of the season of 2019 roll out the following CBs:

- Outside: Rhodes
- Outside: Mac
- Slot: the AAF guy

Depth
- None, although there is a guy named James on the roster.



That's not even worst case scenario ... that's just scare tactic.

More likely

- Outside: Rhodes
- Slot: Kearse / Maybe Mac
- Outside: Mac / Maybe first rd. pick Hughes

That we know of. There are still FINAL CB roster spots that are wide open.

And if we trade Waynes, maybe a drafted mid-round CB thrown in the mix. There will already be a late rd. one for sure.

Not to mention the 5-6 other roster-filler CBs we will be signing from after the draft through training camp.

This is for the first 2-4 games (depending on Hill's appeal) ... and then we have Hill.

I'm not even sure I would trade Waynes ... I have no idea what the progress / ETA of Hughes is ... what we could get / is being offered for Waynes ... where else we can get the cap under control moving forward ... if Waynes is in our long range plans or Alexander, etc. – too many unknonws.



I'll have to agree with you: we start the season with Rhodes and Mac, nickel unknown, depth not yet on the roster.

Nice try. If we traded Waynes - before the draft- our cb position would be - before the draft - rhodes, mac, hughes, hill (and slot Kearse) for the season. With uncertainty - before the draft - of what the cb group is going to look like before game one.



Nice try back. I thought it was implied we were talking about players who could, you know, actually play to start the season. With that in mind, let me not rephrase it but emphasize things: we start the season with Rhodes and Mac, nickel unknown, depth not yet on the roster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 12:21:07 PM   
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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/8/2019 1:06:25 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.

When one is standing on weak ground and plays the devil's advocate – one must grasp for any straw out there. I admit it.

That being said, I would never advocate for Kearse as a starting slot or nickel (inside cb whatever) ... only that he has put some time there and played well. I'm sure those are specific situations and matchups. But in an emergency ...

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/jayron-kearse-adjusting-well-to-big-nickel-role/
https://www.vikings.com/news/notebook-jayron-kearse-s-pickup-of-nickel-helps-vikings-in-pinch

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 4/8/2019 1:30:11 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 5:51:36 PM   
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Kyler Murray might be coming to town Week 3 of pre season.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 6:19:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.

When one is standing on weak ground and plays the devil's advocate – one must grasp for any straw out there. I admit it.

That being said, I would never advocate for Kearse as a starting slot or nickel (inside cb whatever) ... only that he has put some time there and played well. I'm sure those are specific situations and matchups. But in an emergency ...

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/jayron-kearse-adjusting-well-to-big-nickel-role/
https://www.vikings.com/news/notebook-jayron-kearse-s-pickup-of-nickel-helps-vikings-in-pinch


I like his size, length and position flexibility. All he lacks is experience, IMO.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 7:16:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.

When one is standing on weak ground and plays the devil's advocate – one must grasp for any straw out there. I admit it.

That being said, I would never advocate for Kearse as a starting slot or nickel (inside cb whatever) ... only that he has put some time there and played well. I'm sure those are specific situations and matchups. But in an emergency ...

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/jayron-kearse-adjusting-well-to-big-nickel-role/
https://www.vikings.com/news/notebook-jayron-kearse-s-pickup-of-nickel-helps-vikings-in-pinch

Nice find. I was thinking Kearse mainly just came in as a dime back when Barr was hurt.

I thought he did well for a S in that role.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 8:33:04 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.

When one is standing on weak ground and plays the devil's advocate – one must grasp for any straw out there. I admit it.

That being said, I would never advocate for Kearse as a starting slot or nickel (inside cb whatever) ... only that he has put some time there and played well. I'm sure those are specific situations and matchups. But in an emergency ...

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/jayron-kearse-adjusting-well-to-big-nickel-role/
https://www.vikings.com/news/notebook-jayron-kearse-s-pickup-of-nickel-helps-vikings-in-pinch

Nice find. I was thinking Kearse mainly just came in as a dime back when Barr was hurt.

I thought he did well for a S in that role.

I'm not even sure if Kearse is more valuable as a 'big nickel' than a S ... I really don't have a sense of him at S.

Although, with Sendejo gone (and Iloka, who was atleast a roster body) we are down to Kearse and AAF newby Smith (camp body with a 2 yr contract?) for S depth.

Kinda thin if Harry or Harris get dinged.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 8:35:34 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.

When one is standing on weak ground and plays the devil's advocate – one must grasp for any straw out there. I admit it.

That being said, I would never advocate for Kearse as a starting slot or nickel (inside cb whatever) ... only that he has put some time there and played well. I'm sure those are specific situations and matchups. But in an emergency ...

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/jayron-kearse-adjusting-well-to-big-nickel-role/
https://www.vikings.com/news/notebook-jayron-kearse-s-pickup-of-nickel-helps-vikings-in-pinch


I like his size, length and position flexibility. All he lacks is experience, IMO.

I've been idly speculating the same thing.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 8:59:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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alexander excelled in the second half of the season last year - playing exclusively in the slot...kearse hardly played a down in the slot last season - and he was very suspect....

imo, to count on kearse playing the slot would be a huge mistake....

unless we get an insane offer, we will be keeping waynes in 2019....



'Kearse in the slot' is fine if one wants to idly speculate to bolster ones point.

When one is standing on weak ground and plays the devil's advocate – one must grasp for any straw out there. I admit it.

That being said, I would never advocate for Kearse as a starting slot or nickel (inside cb whatever) ... only that he has put some time there and played well. I'm sure those are specific situations and matchups. But in an emergency ...

https://zonecoverage.com/2018/vikings/jayron-kearse-adjusting-well-to-big-nickel-role/
https://www.vikings.com/news/notebook-jayron-kearse-s-pickup-of-nickel-helps-vikings-in-pinch

Nice find. I was thinking Kearse mainly just came in as a dime back when Barr was hurt.

I thought he did well for a S in that role.

I'm not even sure if Kearse is more valuable as a 'big nickel' than a S ... I really don't have a sense of him at S.

Although, with Sendejo gone (and Iloka, who was atleast a roster body) we are down to Kearse and AAF newby Smith (camp body with a 2 yr contract?) for S depth.

Kinda thin if Harry or Harris get dinged.

I hadn't given that much thought.

Add in the fact Hill is a complete knucklehead depth is needed at S, DT, and CB

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/9/2019 9:08:55 PM   
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