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ORIGINAL: David F.

From the article - this one was tough to read.

Mike Zimmer’s best season as a coach - 2017 - ended ingloriously in a 38-7 blowout in the NFC championship. The Vikings had the best defense in the league, and the Eagles the second-best. But after the Vikings went up 7-0 to open the game, the Eagles adjusted on defense. Meanwhile, on offense, head coach Doug Pederson came up with a game plan that exposed Zimmer’s tendency to crowd the line to gain with defensive backs on 3rd down, among other things. That led to Xavier Rhodes to call out, “We’re getting schemed,” during the game - something apparent to most observers.

After the game- and season- was over, Zimmer admitted:

“I could have made some better calls. Sometimes when you’re sticking with things and it’s been successful for you, you continue to do it and maybe I did it a little bit too long.”

So by sticking with his tendencies, he became predictable and Doug Pederson came up with a game plan to beat them. And when a game plan works, it energizes the team, while the team being ‘schemed,’ as Xavier Rhodes put it, gets demoralized.

Zimmer lost that chess match, and with it perhaps some of the confidence he had earned as a defensive mastermind among his players.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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Arif Hasan@ArifHasanNFL
Pretty bad day for Sean Mannion, who threw a pair of picks (Epps and Boyd) and nearly threw another. A lot of PDs, too. Browning had his fair share of incompletions. By virtue of taking about two team reps, Sloter looked the best of the backups.

This makes me happy.

Me too. Mannion is garbage, 27 yo (I think) and has almost no experience. He's junk. I hope it's sending a message to Sloter, who seems to be in the dog house. Rather have Sloter (for good and bad) be the backup and Browning on the practice squad to develop.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

http://www.vikings.com/news/3-observations-from-minicamp-no-2-beebe-wrs-shine-in-red-zone-for-vikings

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

http://www.vikings.com/news/3-observations-from-minicamp-no-2-beebe-wrs-shine-in-red-zone-for-vikings

last year it was the same thing...nobody could cover beebe....


Sean Borman@SeanBoarMan
Gary Kubiak singled out #Vikings WR Chad Beebe when asked about utilizing a tight end as a No. 3 receiver...

“[Beebe] has had probably as good of offseason as any player that I know on our side of the ball. He’s got a chance to be a really good player for us.”

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David F.

From the article - this one was tough to read.

Mike Zimmer’s best season as a coach - 2017 - ended ingloriously in a 38-7 blowout in the NFC championship. The Vikings had the best defense in the league, and the Eagles the second-best. But after the Vikings went up 7-0 to open the game, the Eagles adjusted on defense. Meanwhile, on offense, head coach Doug Pederson came up with a game plan that exposed Zimmer’s tendency to crowd the line to gain with defensive backs on 3rd down, among other things. That led to Xavier Rhodes to call out, “We’re getting schemed,” during the game - something apparent to most observers.

After the game- and season- was over, Zimmer admitted:

“I could have made some better calls. Sometimes when you’re sticking with things and it’s been successful for you, you continue to do it and maybe I did it a little bit too long.”

So by sticking with his tendencies, he became predictable and Doug Pederson came up with a game plan to beat them. And when a game plan works, it energizes the team, while the team being ‘schemed,’ as Xavier Rhodes put it, gets demoralized.

Zimmer lost that chess match, and with it perhaps some of the confidence he had earned as a defensive mastermind among his players.

I know it is the time for all things positive, but I think Zimmer is a poor HC. I put him just a touch above Frazier.

Publicly throw your OC under the bus. Complain about not running enough. Duh, you're the head motherfukcer in charge, change it and stop whining. How about continuing to put Treadwell on the field?

I have a difficult time being all in on a HC that repeatedly stated that our identity is run the ball and stop the run. Less than brilliant. Perhaps a bit better than playing for a blocked FG, but they live in the same historic world.

Our HC seems to have issues with his OC's, all of them. Maybe our HC shouldn't be in charge of the entire team. Perhaps he tops out as a very good DC.

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David F.

From the article - this one was tough to read.

Mike Zimmer’s best season as a coach - 2017 - ended ingloriously in a 38-7 blowout in the NFC championship. The Vikings had the best defense in the league, and the Eagles the second-best. But after the Vikings went up 7-0 to open the game, the Eagles adjusted on defense. Meanwhile, on offense, head coach Doug Pederson came up with a game plan that exposed Zimmer’s tendency to crowd the line to gain with defensive backs on 3rd down, among other things. That led to Xavier Rhodes to call out, “We’re getting schemed,” during the game - something apparent to most observers.

After the game- and season- was over, Zimmer admitted:

“I could have made some better calls. Sometimes when you’re sticking with things and it’s been successful for you, you continue to do it and maybe I did it a little bit too long.”

So by sticking with his tendencies, he became predictable and Doug Pederson came up with a game plan to beat them. And when a game plan works, it energizes the team, while the team being ‘schemed,’ as Xavier Rhodes put it, gets demoralized.

Zimmer lost that chess match, and with it perhaps some of the confidence he had earned as a defensive mastermind among his players.

I know it is the time for all things positive, but I think Zimmer is a poor HC. I put him just a touch above Frazier.

Publicly throw your OC under the bus. Complain about not running enough. Duh, you're the head motherfukcer in charge, change it and stop whining. How about continuing to put Treadwell on the field?

I have a difficult time being all in on a HC that repeatedly stated that our identity is run the ball and stop the run. Less than brilliant. Perhaps a bit better than playing for a blocked FG, but they live in the same historic world.

Our HC seems to have issues with his OC's, all of them. Maybe our HC shouldn't be in charge of the entire team. Perhaps he tops out as a very good DC.

47-32-1 vs 21-32-1 not seeing that as close as you do.

I participated in the Mike Zimmer Golf Classic for his foundation- Shurmur was at the pre golf Par-TEE at TCO, unsure about the golf tournament. Was recognized by Zimmer warmly- FYI.

As for Flip his offense was shut out for 3.5 quarters until a meaningless TD was scored by Leslie Frazier's defense. Considering Zimmer let Flip go - where does that put Flip on your hierarchy of coaches?

Then there is Belichick who speaks highly of Zimmer as a head coach.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David F.

From the article - this one was tough to read.

Mike Zimmer’s best season as a coach - 2017 - ended ingloriously in a 38-7 blowout in the NFC championship. The Vikings had the best defense in the league, and the Eagles the second-best. But after the Vikings went up 7-0 to open the game, the Eagles adjusted on defense. Meanwhile, on offense, head coach Doug Pederson came up with a game plan that exposed Zimmer’s tendency to crowd the line to gain with defensive backs on 3rd down, among other things. That led to Xavier Rhodes to call out, “We’re getting schemed,” during the game - something apparent to most observers.

After the game- and season- was over, Zimmer admitted:

“I could have made some better calls. Sometimes when you’re sticking with things and it’s been successful for you, you continue to do it and maybe I did it a little bit too long.”

So by sticking with his tendencies, he became predictable and Doug Pederson came up with a game plan to beat them. And when a game plan works, it energizes the team, while the team being ‘schemed,’ as Xavier Rhodes put it, gets demoralized.

Zimmer lost that chess match, and with it perhaps some of the confidence he had earned as a defensive mastermind among his players.

I know it is the time for all things positive, but I think Zimmer is a poor HC. I put him just a touch above Frazier.

Publicly throw your OC under the bus. Complain about not running enough. Duh, you're the head motherfukcer in charge, change it and stop whining. How about continuing to put Treadwell on the field?

I have a difficult time being all in on a HC that repeatedly stated that our identity is run the ball and stop the run. Less than brilliant. Perhaps a bit better than playing for a blocked FG, but they live in the same historic world.

Our HC seems to have issues with his OC's, all of them. Maybe our HC shouldn't be in charge of the entire team. Perhaps he tops out as a very good DC.

47-32-1 vs 21-32-1 not seeing that as close as you do.

I participated in the Mike Zimmer Golf Classic for his foundation- Shurmur was at the pre golf Par-TEE at TCO, unsure about the golf tournament. Was recognized by Zimmer warmly- FYI.

As for Flip his offense was shut out for 3.5 quarters until a meaningless TD was scored by Leslie Frazier's defense. Considering Zimmer let Flip go - where does that put Flip on your hierarchy of coaches?

Then there is Belichick who speaks highly of Zimmer as a head coach.

Get it over to the Puppies and Rainbow thread, Dorn!

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Right! 'Cause if you ain't saying negative shit you don't know shit!

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Right! 'Cause if you ain't saying negative shit you don't know shit!

Exactly. Maybe open one ‘blinders’ thread for both the purple koolaid AND pouty whiner crowds. Everyone in between can just hang out here.

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David F.

From the article - this one was tough to read.

Mike Zimmer’s best season as a coach - 2017 - ended ingloriously in a 38-7 blowout in the NFC championship. The Vikings had the best defense in the league, and the Eagles the second-best. But after the Vikings went up 7-0 to open the game, the Eagles adjusted on defense. Meanwhile, on offense, head coach Doug Pederson came up with a game plan that exposed Zimmer’s tendency to crowd the line to gain with defensive backs on 3rd down, among other things. That led to Xavier Rhodes to call out, “We’re getting schemed,” during the game - something apparent to most observers.

After the game- and season- was over, Zimmer admitted:

“I could have made some better calls. Sometimes when you’re sticking with things and it’s been successful for you, you continue to do it and maybe I did it a little bit too long.”

So by sticking with his tendencies, he became predictable and Doug Pederson came up with a game plan to beat them. And when a game plan works, it energizes the team, while the team being ‘schemed,’ as Xavier Rhodes put it, gets demoralized.

Zimmer lost that chess match, and with it perhaps some of the confidence he had earned as a defensive mastermind among his players.

I know it is the time for all things positive, but I think Zimmer is a poor HC. I put him just a touch above Frazier.

Publicly throw your OC under the bus. Complain about not running enough. Duh, you're the head motherfukcer in charge, change it and stop whining. How about continuing to put Treadwell on the field?

I have a difficult time being all in on a HC that repeatedly stated that our identity is run the ball and stop the run. Less than brilliant. Perhaps a bit better than playing for a blocked FG, but they live in the same historic world.

Our HC seems to have issues with his OC's, all of them. Maybe our HC shouldn't be in charge of the entire team. Perhaps he tops out as a very good DC.

47-32-1 vs 21-32-1 not seeing that as close as you do.

I participated in the Mike Zimmer Golf Classic for his foundation- Shurmur was at the pre golf Par-TEE at TCO, unsure about the golf tournament. Was recognized by Zimmer warmly- FYI.

As for Flip his offense was shut out for 3.5 quarters until a meaningless TD was scored by Leslie Frazier's defense. Considering Zimmer let Flip go - where does that put Flip on your hierarchy of coaches?

Then there is Belichick who speaks highly of Zimmer as a head coach.

Get it over to the Puppies and Rainbow thread, Dorn!

If that is where the fans who believe we can win the Super Bowl are ... then that is where I want to be!

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

Well hell let’s have the next meeting of the “Puppies and Rainbow” council meeting at world famous Manny’s steakhouse (Highly overrated).

Dinner with Dorn and Ricky is definitely a positive event...

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

It doesn't matter.

One side can look at the negative things that have happened and forecast another year we fall short. The other side can see what we've built and combine that with desire and say it will/can be the year.

The team we'll need to be to finally get that championship won't be decided for quite some time. Talent, scheme, luck, overcoming diversity, will..all these things will play out how they'll play out.

We're along for the ride. Some are better passengers than others.