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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 7:02:13 AM

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I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 7:31:14 AM

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I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 8:06:11 AM

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I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

Yep he regrouped and kicked very well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 8:06:46 AM

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I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

Seemed to make sense at the time. They gave Walsh a lot more rope and that was a mistake.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 8:14:25 AM

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According to PFF Vikings on Twitter Kris Boyd had a 74.2 rating as a pass defender, but was an elite run defender with a rating of 90.1. They also say he is turning heads at mini-camp. He may have been a steal in the 7th round. It seems that the college draft was pretty deep this year and a lot of good players dropped or even went un-drafted.

Is he still at corner or are we trying him at Safety?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 8:23:56 AM

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Those of you who prefer Sloter will like this report.

We've got about six weeks where about all we'll have are journalists commentary. Then it will ratchet up quickly and become my favorite time of the year. But for now it will be the quiet before the storm. I'm grateful that the Twins are exciting this year.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/06/14/7-takeaways-minnesota-vikings-2019-minicamp/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 9:16:56 AM

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Until proven otherwise, the failure of Carlson had nothing to do with Zimmer, and everything to do with the @$$hole that used to be the Vikings' special team's coach, Mike Priefer.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 9:19:55 AM

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We're along for the ride. Some are better passengers than others.

Sounds like a good attempt at 'overcoming diversity' amongst fans. Lol !

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 9:24:49 AM

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Saw the headline as I was walking into an all day conference. My first thought, what are the contract details? Sounds like Kyle did not give any kind of discount. Good on him, I don't fault him. Also sounds like a two year extension? With flexibility after next year? Good on the team.

Vikings going all in on to give Cousins weapons. Im optimistic about the line (last year not so much), think it can be average with the potential to be above average. If that comes to pass, a third weapon steps up (I'm also optimistic almost anyone will be an upgrade over Treadwell), and Cook stays healthy (now the knee is stronger - expect less soft tissue/hammy issues) this offense could surprise people.

5.1M over the cap by my estimation. Need to stay healthy so we can roll some over to next year. Really hoping some of the young guys surprise, like Collins to take the swing tackle spot so Hill can be traded or cut (save 2M). Need health (as always) and youth to impress.

Next year 21M over the cap, add 9 for Rudolph and we are 30 over the cap. Add in extension for Weatherly, Harris (10M) another 3M for draft picks. 10M cap increase means we gotta shave 35M or so. Griff and Reif likely gone. 25M roughly right there. Rhodes/Joseph/Harrison probably looking at restructures/and/or hard choices.

Better win this year.

not sure about your 2020 cap projection. over-the-cap has us at -3.3m next year (for the top 51) ... albeit without the rudy extension and projecting the salary cap up at 200m (nobody knows that number at this point).

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2020/

Has us 21M over.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2020/

Nothing jumps out to make me believe it's not accurate? If I have the energy, I might have to compare sites/contracts.

Joseph and Griffen probably in line to do some major re-structuring or be cut. Reiff probably gone no matter what. Smith could get extended to bring down cap number.

I think you make sure you keep Weatherly in case you have to cut Griffen. And we probably draft a big nose tackle early next year for Joseph's replacement.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 9:41:39 AM

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Pro Football Focus ranks #Vikings safety Harrison Smith as the 21st-best player in the NFL. He's the only Minnesota player in their top 50. Smith has made four straight Pro Bowls.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:00:37 AM

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Pro Football Focus ranks #Vikings safety Harrison Smith as the 21st-best player in the NFL. He's the only Minnesota player in their top 50. Smith has made four straight Pro Bowls.

Love it! Very little talent evidently😉

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:11:39 AM

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Pro Football Focus ranks #Vikings safety Harrison Smith as the 21st-best player in the NFL. He's the only Minnesota player in their top 50. Smith has made four straight Pro Bowls.

Love it! Very little talent evidently😉

Didn't he start out selling sunglasses, too?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:12:32 AM

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I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

He went to the Raiders where it was a no pressure situation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:16:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

He went to the Raiders where it was a no pressure situation.

I don't buy that. He was kicking for his career in Oakland.

Are kickers on bad teams usually more accurate than kickers on good teams because of "lack of pressure".

Its OK to admit we effed up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:18:59 AM

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Those of you who prefer Sloter will like this report.

We've got about six weeks where about all we'll have are journalists commentary. Then it will ratchet up quickly and become my favorite time of the year. But for now it will be the quiet before the storm. I'm grateful that the Twins are exciting this year.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/06/14/7-takeaways-minnesota-vikings-2019-minicamp/

Heh.

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Currently in contention to be the Vikings’ backup quarterback for 2019 is veteran Sean Mannion, an inexperienced Kyle Sloter, and rookie Jake Browning.

The "veteran" Mannion has attempted 53 passes in his career...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:26:50 AM

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Those of you who prefer Sloter will like this report.

We've got about six weeks where about all we'll have are journalists commentary. Then it will ratchet up quickly and become my favorite time of the year. But for now it will be the quiet before the storm. I'm grateful that the Twins are exciting this year.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/06/14/7-takeaways-minnesota-vikings-2019-minicamp/

Heh.

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Currently in contention to be the Vikings’ backup quarterback for 2019 is veteran Sean Mannion, an inexperienced Kyle Sloter, and rookie Jake Browning.

The "veteran" Mannion has attempted 53 passes in his career...

Yeah, but he has a ton of experience toting that clipboard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 10:36:03 AM

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Pro Football Focus ranks #Vikings safety Harrison Smith as the 21st-best player in the NFL. He's the only Minnesota player in their top 50. Smith has made four straight Pro Bowls.

Love it! Very little talent evidently😉

Didn't he start out selling sunglasses, too?

Most of the best do!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 11:05:47 AM

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I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

He went to the Raiders where it was a no pressure situation.

I don't buy that. He was kicking for his career in Oakland.

Are kickers on bad teams usually more accurate than kickers on good teams because of "lack of pressure".

Its OK to admit we effed up.

We effed up with Walsh, not sure about Carlson. Our typical eff up is holding onto guys too long - including Walsh - which probably influenced our lack of patience with Carlson ...

I think you make a decision at the time and live with it. If it seems like the rookie cannot handle or is not ready for NFL game day pressure because, well, he seems to be falling apart in games ... and how else can you know? (its not like NFL teams have back-up kickers so, if you lose confidence in a guy, you can rotate or put Carlson on the bench for awhile or deactivate him for a couple game days [how would that help his confidence?]).

I think its more of a shame for us than a pure eff up, that we invested a draft pick, then baptised Carlson in fire so he could go somewhere else and make a quick stunning non-Walsh-like turnaround. Kudos to him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 11:14:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

He went to the Raiders where it was a no pressure situation.

I don't buy that. He was kicking for his career in Oakland.

Are kickers on bad teams usually more accurate than kickers on good teams because of "lack of pressure".

Its OK to admit we effed up.

We effed up with Walsh, not sure about Carlson. Our typical eff up is holding onto guys too long - including Walsh - which probably influenced our lack of patience with Carlson ...

I think you make a decision at the time and live with it. If it seems like the rookie cannot handle or is not ready for NFL game day pressure because, well, he seems to be falling apart in games ... and how else can you know? (its not like NFL teams have back-up kickers so, if you lose confidence in a guy, you can rotate or put Carlson on the bench for awhile or deactivate him for a couple game days [how would that help his confidence?]).

I think its more of a shame for us than a pure eff up, that we invested a draft pick, then baptised Carlson in fire so he could go somewhere else and make a quick stunning non-Walsh-like turnaround. Kudos to him.

I think it was having a ST coach that loved to tinker with mechanics. He did it with Walsh, he did it with Carlson. Hell, he said he spotted some things he wanted to change with the most accurate kicker in NFL history and he fell apart here.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 12:01:54 PM

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It doesn't matter.

One side can look at the negative things that have happened and forecast another year we fall short. The other side can see what we've built and combine that with desire and say it will/can be the year.

The team we'll need to be to finally get that championship won't be decided for quite some time. Talent, scheme, luck, overcoming diversity, will..all these things will play out how they'll play out.

We're along for the ride. Some are better passengers than others.

I think you meant adversity unless that was a Freudian slip.

Trumps mental mind control extends into Canada... how else could that asshat be the embarrassment that he is..he has to be a secret Jedi...sith type..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 12:04:21 PM

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Well hell let’s have the next meeting of the “Puppies and Rainbow” council meeting at world famous Manny’s steakhouse (Highly overrated).

Dinner with Dorn and Ricky is definitely a positive event...

As with you, buddy! It's been way too long.

I would love that. I'd also throw out the offer at the KC away game this season. I realize I bailed on LA last year but this year I already have the tickets and hotel.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 12:08:44 PM

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Ok, fair warning.. I am not going to be making a lot of sense in what or where I post.. I have, quite literally, had a chit sandwich shoved down my throat through the eustachian tubes in my ears...

I am heavily medicated.. bipolar2 disorder with disruptive mood anxiety and clinical depression..

I may be randomly ranting.. put me on block or reach out to me in pm..

I apologize in advance for losing my mind..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 12:09:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think we are going to regret moving on from Daniels so quickly. The GB game was so very ugly, I don't know what we could have done differently.... Maybe practice squad?

Impressed he and his agent turned down a chance to tryout with another team. Took some time to regroup then signed with the Raiders, setting a Raiders rookie accuracy record.

https://247sports.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/Article/Daniel-Carlson-recaps-unique-rookie-season-132846108

Have to agree here.

I think Zim's old school (Parcells) approach may have been over the top for a young rookie kicker.

He went to the Raiders where it was a no pressure situation.

I don't buy that. He was kicking for his career in Oakland.

Are kickers on bad teams usually more accurate than kickers on good teams because of "lack of pressure".

Its OK to admit we effed up.

I also don't buy it. This is the NFL for crying out loud. Even the beer salespeople feel the pressure.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 12:10:11 PM

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Ok, fair warning.. I am not going to be making a lot of sense in what or where I post.. I have, quite literally, had a chit sandwich shoved down my throat through the eustachian tubes in my ears...

I am heavily medicated.. bipolar2 disorder with disruptive mood anxiety and clinical depression..

I may be randomly ranting.. put me on block or reach out to me in pm..

I apologize in advance for losing my mind..

Apology not accepted for the reason that it's not necessary. You be you.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/14/2019 12:12:31 PM

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Well hell let’s have the next meeting of the “Puppies and Rainbow” council meeting at world famous Manny’s steakhouse (Highly overrated).

Dinner with Dorn and Ricky is definitely a positive event...

As with you, buddy! It's been way too long.

I would love that. I'd also throw out the offer at the KC away game this season. I realize I bailed on LA last year but this year I already have the tickets and hotel.