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I was hoping there would be a shifting of opinion on Sloter with the changing of the guard on the offensive staff.

Seeing as the Denver faithful were apoplectic when the QB needy Broncos waived him with pretty much zero QB talent up there, you’d think it would’ve at the very least been intriguing to see what Sloter could’ve done that Brock Osweiler, and Trevor Semian didn’t.

Sheesh... Zimmer and the boys on the staff need to give Sloter #2 run this week in Buffalo!

If Zim cant see that Sloter is much better then I have no words. He just needs to get out of his own way.

“No words”

I almost typed the same thing Richard.

And especially for someone as insanely average as Sean Mannion.

Which has to make you think there is more to this than just his play. Over the past couple of seasons, everyone has loved Sloter, he's shown the type of aggressiveness we all want to see and quite honestly reminds some of us of a guy from the early days that just seem to will the team to win.

But you have to look at our coaching staff for a second. Take out Zim, the rest of the guys you have are pretty solid offensive minds with years of experience. They see this kid every day, listen to him talk, watch him prepare, see his reactions to coaching, etc., etc.. I would have to think that every team in the NFL is trying to put the best guys on their team to win a championship, these guys are no different. There is something they haven't seen from him that is holding him back, it's obviously not what he has done in the preseason, so I just bow to the guys that are in a better position than I to make these decisions. I like Sloter, but I don't know Sloter.

On the surface everything you say is reasonable and sensible.

But this is the same coaching regime that wouldn't put Diggs on the field with a horrible receiving corp until injuries forced them too.
And he tore up an elite Denver defense in his first game (I believe... memory could unreliable... but pretty sure that is right)
So I have some trepidation when it comes to sitting a guy who tears it up in preseason consistently for a guy who looks mediocre at best every time I've seen him play.

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we don't have a preference....we're telling you the team clearly prefers Mannion (Matthew Coller on Twitter)

Sloter is going to end up being "the one that got away" for the next decade...

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we don't have a preference....we're telling you the team clearly prefers Mannion (Matthew Coller on Twitter)

Sloter is going to end up being "the one that got away" for the next decade...

Watch the deft and unhurried fakes Sloter does when doing play-action. Very impressive and deceptive.

Look at Sloter's poise and judgement compared to that stiff Mannequin's. How may boneheaded decisions/plays have you seen Sloter make? Do you remember his receivers getting blown up from him making panicked/ill-advised throws?

Watch how effortlessly he flings the ball all over the field with complete confidence. He reminds me of Kurt Warner with his ball placement and quick release. They kept rolling him out to the left and he still had no problem hitting receivers perfectly in stride while on the run.

WTH am I missing? Is he going to suddenly come unglued when 19 and 14 are on the field against a more skillful D when he gets smacked in the jaw? I seriously doubt it, as Sloter seems to have the unquantifiable "it" and burning desire to be great and prove his detractors wrong along with his other obvious gifts. I can totally see 19 and 14 getting huge YAC as Sloter has been showing great judgement and confidence throwing right into the teeth of the defense with his apparently excellent field vision.

He's a late-bloomer with extremely limited experience and will obviously have growing pains, but I think we could have a top-10 or better talent in a few years. Imagine him with experience and "polish". I know it is very rube-like to think/feel this way in regards to a 3rd-string qb, but I don't care about that perception. I just want Sloter to have a chance, because it would be so Viking-like to let him get away and lead another team to a championship.

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Vikings rookie Oli Udoh's first 48 snaps at RT:
0 pressures, no penalties

Udoh has the 11th highest pass block grade of all tackles (of 121 tackles with 30+ snaps).


The only qualifying tackle graded higher than Udoh in both pass and run blocking is fellow rookie Andre Dillard.

(Krauser on Twitter)

The Strib dude has him on the PS in today's column. I think if he plays anywhere near what he did the first 2 games in the next 2, he'll get sniped immediately.

Good OT's are like gold. They go high in the draft.

No. The easy OT picks go at the top of the draft. Good OTs can (and are) found all through the draft.

Smart teams don't care where guys were drafted once the draft is over.

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https://vikingsspin.wordpress.com/2019/08/19/vikings-25-seahawks-19-post-game-recap/

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I would like the Vikings to keep only two quarterbacks and look to trade one for even a lower draft pick. I was surprised that the rookie didn't play yesterday.

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I think at a minimum the coaches need to start talking about Sloter to #2, Boone to #2, and Irv to #1. I know Irv to #1 seems premature. Irv’s blocking’s last night was far superior to Rudolph’s and Irv’s receiving skills this far have shown to be at least as good as rudolph’s with potential for so much more.

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I was hoping there would be a shifting of opinion on Sloter with the changing of the guard on the offensive staff.

Seeing as the Denver faithful were apoplectic when the QB needy Broncos waived him with pretty much zero QB talent up there, you’d think it would’ve at the very least been intriguing to see what Sloter could’ve done that Brock Osweiler, and Trevor Semian didn’t.

Sheesh... Zimmer and the boys on the staff need to give Sloter #2 run this week in Buffalo!

If Zim cant see that Sloter is much better then I have no words. He just needs to get out of his own way.

“No words”

I almost typed the same thing Richard.

And especially for someone as insanely average as Sean Mannion.

Which has to make you think there is more to this than just his play. Over the past couple of seasons, everyone has loved Sloter, he's shown the type of aggressiveness we all want to see and quite honestly reminds some of us of a guy from the early days that just seem to will the team to win.

But you have to look at our coaching staff for a second. Take out Zim, the rest of the guys you have are pretty solid offensive minds with years of experience. They see this kid every day, listen to him talk, watch him prepare, see his reactions to coaching, etc., etc.. I would have to think that every team in the NFL is trying to put the best guys on their team to win a championship, these guys are no different. There is something they haven't seen from him that is holding him back, it's obviously not what he has done in the preseason, so I just bow to the guys that are in a better position than I to make these decisions. I like Sloter, but I don't know Sloter.

On the surface everything you say is reasonable and sensible.

But this is the same coaching regime that wouldn't put Diggs on the field with a horrible receiving corp until injuries forced them too.
And he tore up an elite Denver defense in his first game (I believe... memory could unreliable... but pretty sure that is right)
So I have some trepidation when it comes to sitting a guy who tears it up in preseason consistently for a guy who looks mediocre at best every time I've seen him play.

It's hardly the same coaching regime, certainly not the coaches that would be calling the shots on this.

I also don't remember people on these threads screaming for Diggs before he got his opportunity.

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I was hoping there would be a shifting of opinion on Sloter with the changing of the guard on the offensive staff.

Seeing as the Denver faithful were apoplectic when the QB needy Broncos waived him with pretty much zero QB talent up there, you’d think it would’ve at the very least been intriguing to see what Sloter could’ve done that Brock Osweiler, and Trevor Semian didn’t.

Sheesh... Zimmer and the boys on the staff need to give Sloter #2 run this week in Buffalo!

If Zim cant see that Sloter is much better then I have no words. He just needs to get out of his own way.

“No words”

I almost typed the same thing Richard.

And especially for someone as insanely average as Sean Mannion.

Which has to make you think there is more to this than just his play. Over the past couple of seasons, everyone has loved Sloter, he's shown the type of aggressiveness we all want to see and quite honestly reminds some of us of a guy from the early days that just seem to will the team to win.

But you have to look at our coaching staff for a second. Take out Zim, the rest of the guys you have are pretty solid offensive minds with years of experience. They see this kid every day, listen to him talk, watch him prepare, see his reactions to coaching, etc., etc.. I would have to think that every team in the NFL is trying to put the best guys on their team to win a championship, these guys are no different. There is something they haven't seen from him that is holding him back, it's obviously not what he has done in the preseason, so I just bow to the guys that are in a better position than I to make these decisions. I like Sloter, but I don't know Sloter.

On the surface everything you say is reasonable and sensible.

But this is the same coaching regime that wouldn't put Diggs on the field with a horrible receiving corp until injuries forced them too.
And he tore up an elite Denver defense in his first game (I believe... memory could unreliable... but pretty sure that is right)
So I have some trepidation when it comes to sitting a guy who tears it up in preseason consistently for a guy who looks mediocre at best every time I've seen him play.

It's hardly the same coaching regime, certainly not the coaches that would be calling the shots on this.

I also don't remember people on these threads screaming for Diggs before he got his opportunity.

I was.

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I was hoping there would be a shifting of opinion on Sloter with the changing of the guard on the offensive staff.

Seeing as the Denver faithful were apoplectic when the QB needy Broncos waived him with pretty much zero QB talent up there, you’d think it would’ve at the very least been intriguing to see what Sloter could’ve done that Brock Osweiler, and Trevor Semian didn’t.

Sheesh... Zimmer and the boys on the staff need to give Sloter #2 run this week in Buffalo!

If Zim cant see that Sloter is much better then I have no words. He just needs to get out of his own way.

“No words”

I almost typed the same thing Richard.

And especially for someone as insanely average as Sean Mannion.

Which has to make you think there is more to this than just his play. Over the past couple of seasons, everyone has loved Sloter, he's shown the type of aggressiveness we all want to see and quite honestly reminds some of us of a guy from the early days that just seem to will the team to win.

But you have to look at our coaching staff for a second. Take out Zim, the rest of the guys you have are pretty solid offensive minds with years of experience. They see this kid every day, listen to him talk, watch him prepare, see his reactions to coaching, etc., etc.. I would have to think that every team in the NFL is trying to put the best guys on their team to win a championship, these guys are no different. There is something they haven't seen from him that is holding him back, it's obviously not what he has done in the preseason, so I just bow to the guys that are in a better position than I to make these decisions. I like Sloter, but I don't know Sloter.

On the surface everything you say is reasonable and sensible.

But this is the same coaching regime that wouldn't put Diggs on the field with a horrible receiving corp until injuries forced them too.
And he tore up an elite Denver defense in his first game (I believe... memory could unreliable... but pretty sure that is right)
So I have some trepidation when it comes to sitting a guy who tears it up in preseason consistently for a guy who looks mediocre at best every time I've seen him play.

It's hardly the same coaching regime, certainly not the coaches that would be calling the shots on this.

I also don't remember people on these threads screaming for Diggs before he got his opportunity.

I was.

I think there were quite a few that were. I know I was asking for us to activate him on game day and give him a try.

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Offensive linemen often get devoloped on the NFL level because the college game is very different and o-linemen are not developed well at that level.

I'm kind of lost as to what point you're making? I really have no idea if you're agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or just making random generalities.

Do you think Udoh should be on the PS? On the main roster? Does him being a 6th round pick color your perception?

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I think at a minimum the coaches need to start talking about Sloter to #2, Boone to #2, and Irv to #1. I know Irv to #1 seems premature. Irv’s blocking’s last night was far superior to Rudolph’s and Irv’s receiving skills this far have shown to be at least as good as rudolph’s with potential for so much more.

Incredibly premature. Rudolph has been looking great in camp and good in the two pre season games so far.

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Offensive linemen often get devoloped on the NFL level because the college game is very different and o-linemen are not developed well at that level.

I'm kind of lost as to what point you're making? I really have no idea if you're agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or just making random generalities.

Do you think Udoh should be on the PS? On the main roster? Does him being a 6th round pick color your perception?

I guess I'm not being clear, although I thought I was. Udoh has shown that he has the ability to be a very good lineman at this level. He came from a small college and even there was sort of a late bloomer. Here he is getting the benefit of NFL level coaching and is practicing with and against NFL level players. I'm thinking that he deserves consideration for "Mr. Mankato" for the surprising level of play he has shown at training camp and during the first two preseason games. There are very few offensive linemen who are ready to play out of college and almost always they get drafted very high. Most colleges do not have a Pro style offense. Pro style quarterbacks are scarce even at the NFL level and of course even rarer at the collegiate level. It's a different game where the quarterbacks usually don't take the ball under center and many of them are productive because they can run with the ball more than stand in the pocket and pass. The offensive linemen are not asked to do the same things they do at the NFL level and so when they get here they have a lot to learn. However, a lot of the players here at this level do get drafted later on potential and get developed. After the draft I was very high on Udoh. I remember commenting that I thought he would be good because of his size and athleticism and I was afraid that if we exposed him he would be snatched before going to the practice squad. That was before I have read about his good play during the games. So absolutely I believe he deserves to be kept on the 53 man roster. I would rather keep him that Kyle Rudolph or Everson Griffen. I would rather keep him than Sloter or any of the running backs other than Cook and Mattison. I would rather keep him more than Pat Elflein. I would rather keep him than any wide receiver on the team other than Diggs and Thielen. Any! I would rather keep him than any linebacker on the team except Barr and Kendricks. I would rather keep him than any of our punters or kickers. I would rather keep him than any of our cornerbacks after the first four that I mentioned this morning. I would rather keep him than Hill at OT and even Samia at Guard. Yes, even though Samia was selected in the fourth round and Udoh was selected in the sixth round I do not go only on the round that they were drafted in. Do I think he should be a starter, now? No, but I want to keep him and allow him to continue to develop because it looks like he can be a really good player at a position that is hard to get good players at. OT''s are harder to find than guards. I would like to see Udoh practice against the ones and twos. I would like to see him play vs the twos and threes in the games. He is a developing player so I would like to see him get lots of reps. I am even open to him being a starter as the season progresses. Right now I figure he still has a lot to learn. He is still raw and learning the game at the NFL level, but I will be mad as hell if we cut him and he gets snatched by another team. I will be cursing and shouting expletives and that's something I never do. So, am I more clear now?

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Coverage and pass rush have been highly disappointing.

But we all know the preseason mantra “ vanilla... don’t give away too much...

So it is what it is..

Yea I know Dan, but what really bothers me more than anything is our effort against the run. It really doesn't matter about vanilla when it comes to smash mouth defense against the run, we look out of position in our run fits and out matched in the trenches. The second team is playing much better than the first team in these areas, again, I know it is preseason, but I'm just say'in, I hated the terrible play of the defense at the beginning of last year and I don't want to see that type of start this year, they have work to do!

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Sorry but this coaching staff starting with the head guy in charge on down values a certain kind of QB over another, its been VERY obvious through this regime...

It was obvious when Case was the starter and I think Sloter possesses some of same gene... I seriously doubt that the Bret Favre revival season would have ever happened with the regime at hand... they value a certain kind of commodity at QB...

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Sorry but this coaching staff starting with the head guy in charge on down values a certain kind of QB over another, its been VERY obvious through this regime...

It was obvious when Case was the starter and I think Sloter possesses some of same gene... I seriously doubt that the Bret Favre revival season would have ever happened with the regime at hand... they value a certain kind of commodity at QB...

I think your right

Zim is old and conservative