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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 11:12:32 AM   
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The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead.
CHI: 1st
BAL: 2nd
BUF: 3rd
MIN: 4th
JAX: 5th
PIT: 6th
TEN: 7th

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Everyone has loved that Bears D so much all year, they're all 'whatever' to me ...
In crunchtime yesterday the Eagles shoved it right down their throats.
They're as much to blame as the Bears very-average offense and their much-maligned kicker. Imo.

I was much more impressed with Philly's tackling than with the Bears.

Philly has a terrible back end to their defense

Kind of shoots a hole in Hoiseth's banter

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 11:41:25 AM   
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Projected that the #Vikings will get a sixth-round compensatory pick for Teddy Bridgewater, a seventh-round pick for Tramaine Brock and a seventh-round pick for Shamar Stephen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 11:44:45 AM   
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Freaking Philly lucky bastards

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I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin?

The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it

That's where I'm at
I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue)
Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday.
I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game.
I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons.
Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them.
Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world.


Why do you hate the Saints so much? They seem to be a well schooled organization entirely UNLIKE the Vikings.

Why do you hate the Vikings so much?

Bad ownership.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 11:47:46 AM   
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Maybe Philly 2ndary is better in the playoffs, or maybe they didn't play as well when Wentz played, skewing their stats down a little bit.

I thought LeBlanc made a few really nice plays for Philly.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 11:58:35 AM   
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I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin?

The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it

That's where I'm at
I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue)
Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday.
I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game.
I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons.
Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them.
Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world.


Why do you hate the Saints so much? They seem to be a well schooled organization entirely UNLIKE the Vikings.

Why do you hate the Vikings so much?

Bad ownership.

I wasn't a big of the Wilf's the first few years with TOA and all.

But IMO they've come around nicely. Orchestrated the building of a new stadium and state of the art practice facilities.

You can't say they're bad owners considering the money they've spent and have also spent right up to the cap as well.

Should they have moved on from Spielman and Zim ? Possibly. But they are exorcising patience and know blowing up and starting over only sets the clock back.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 11:59:00 AM   
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Maybe Philly 2ndary is better in the playoffs, or maybe they didn't play as well when Wentz played, skewing their stats down a little bit.

I thought LeBlanc made a few really nice plays for Philly.


Avonte Maddox was terrible. He'll bite on any double-move.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 12:27:39 PM   
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The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead.
CHI: 1st
BAL: 2nd
BUF: 3rd
MIN: 4th
JAX: 5th
PIT: 6th
TEN: 7th

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It's an offensive league. That is what the league wants and everything is slanted towards that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 12:54:16 PM   
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The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead.
CHI: 1st
BAL: 2nd
BUF: 3rd
MIN: 4th
JAX: 5th
PIT: 6th
TEN: 7th

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It's an offensive league. That is what the league wants and everything is slanted towards that.


And in my opinion it's a reflection of our society. Give it to me now. Flash and dash.



- yes the two teams scoring 50+ was fun but .... I prefer some solid D
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 1:00:55 PM   
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The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead.
CHI: 1st
BAL: 2nd
BUF: 3rd
MIN: 4th
JAX: 5th
PIT: 6th
TEN: 7th

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It's an offensive league. That is what the league wants and everything is slanted towards that.


And in my opinion it's a reflection of our society. Give it to me now. Flash and dash.



- yes the two teams scoring 50+ was fun but .... I prefer some solid D


The safety of the players is a big reason. QB's are like China dolls now and WR don't get their heads taken off any more across the middle.

I like defense when you see a serious pass rush or excellent DB play. I don't consider good defense having the other team be stupid and run on first and second down non-stop, as Seattle seemed to do yesterday.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 1:40:23 PM   
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Freaking Philly lucky bastards

Hopefully it continues next weekend



I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin?

The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it

That's where I'm at
I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue)
Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday.
I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game.
I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons.
Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them.
Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world.


Why do you hate the Saints so much? They seem to be a well schooled organization entirely UNLIKE the Vikings.

Why do you hate the Vikings so much?

Bad ownership.

I wasn't a big of the Wilf's the first few years with TOA and all.

But IMO they've come around nicely. Orchestrated the building of a new stadium and state of the art practice facilities.

You can't say they're bad owners considering the money they've spent and have also spent right up to the cap as well.

Should they have moved on from Spielman and Zim ? Possibly. But they are exorcising patience and know blowing up and starting over only sets the clock back.


RS has to pull off a successful off-season draft, FA acquisitions/deletions and contract(s) restructuring. Mike Zimmer has to make a solid decision in hiring a new OC and allow that person to do their job without his micro-managing the offense. If anything, Zimmer has proven to be a dinosaur with respect to the NFL of the current decade. He was comfortable with Adrian Peterson in the BF because running the ball was his priority. Those days have past by. He also has to allow RS to build up talent on the offensive side of the team. There are simply too many high paid players on defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 1:45:47 PM   
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I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin?

The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it

That's where I'm at
I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue)
Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday.
I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game.
I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons.
Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them.
Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world.


Why do you hate the Saints so much? They seem to be a well schooled organization entirely UNLIKE the Vikings.

Why do you hate the Vikings so much?

Bad ownership.

I wasn't a big of the Wilf's the first few years with TOA and all.

But IMO they've come around nicely. Orchestrated the building of a new stadium and state of the art practice facilities.

You can't say they're bad owners considering the money they've spent and have also spent right up to the cap as well.

Should they have moved on from Spielman and Zim ? Possibly. But they are exorcising patience and know blowing up and starting over only sets the clock back.


RS has to pull off a successful off-season draft, FA acquisitions/deletions and contract(s) restructuring.
Mike Zimmer has to make a solid decision in hiring a new OC and allow that person to do their job without his micro-managing the offense. If anything, Zimmer has proven to be a dinosaur with respect to the NFL of the current decade. He was comfortable with Adrian Peterson in the BF because running the ball was his priority. Those days have past by. He also has to allow RS to build up talent on the offensive side of the team. There are simply too many high paid players on defense.

Definitely agree with this.

Speilman's trouble is he has a great draft one year and the next year he tries to get cute and it backfires.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 2:46:35 PM   
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I have more faith in Speilman making corrections than I do with Zimmer.

I would fire Zimmer, keep Speilman.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 3:15:32 PM   
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Brad, that's a strong point regarding most qb's getting rid of the ball quicker in today's game.

However, when a team is down late in the game that is when a pass rush becomes more valuable. QB's do hang on to the ball longer trying to make something happen.

I still value a good pass rusher. But we're paying TWO 13 and 11ml next season. With the emergence of Weatherly I think the prudent thing to do is move on from the aging Griffin. unsure if he has much trade value at his age coupled with a rich contract.

I think good DT's are paramount to stuff the run.

I have no problems with having a great pass rusher. I just don't happen to think it's as great of a need as having great corners.

A ton of average defensive linemen have been made to look great by having great corners. Not many corners have been made to look great because of a great defensive end.

Bears corners in '85' and this year are one example off the top of my head.

Carl Lee, Reggie Rutland(before he changed his name), Jimmie Hitchcock, Corey Fuller all looked great with stud pass rushers. Does anybody who isn't a diehard Viking fan know who these guys are.

Most NE corners during their dynasty.

Lee played in the 80's and early 90's, making three Pro Bowls. He was one of the top 3-4 corners the organization has ever had, and one could make an argument for him being the best ever. He, along with Isaac Holt and Joey Browner made for one of the best back ends in Vikings history.

Nonetheless, the conversation was how football has changed into a passing league and how defensive linemen are now nearly irrelevant (IMO).

Donald and Mack will probably 1-2 for DPOY. I doubt any CB will finish in Top 10.

Yes. CBs are important. You need a lot of competent guys with teams going 4 wide alot of the time. But, to say that DLineman are irrelevant is crazy.


DLine is irrelevant?

Sure, if the QB has 6+ seconds to throw he wont find anybody open.

Good WRs can beat the best DBs with a good route and ample time for the QB to find them they will eat the defense alive all day long.

Pressure on the QB is essential along with good DBs.
Sometimes you get coverage sacks.
Good DLines make good QBs rush throws with makes them off target more likely to pick etc
DLines are hardly irrelevant.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 3:15:34 PM   
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Freaking Philly lucky bastards

Hopefully it continues next weekend



I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin?

The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it

That's where I'm at
I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue)
Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday.
I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game.
I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons.
Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them.
Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world.


Hey look, it's my new favorite poster!

Anyone but the Saints--anyone. Dallas even. But how can you not like Big Dick Nick Foles? Loved the story last year and maybe it'll keep going. Thought there were some great games over the weekend. Shame we couldn't get in, but, apart from the Texans, the teams seemed to be on a different level of intensity. Gotta pull the plug on Zimmer. (I'm home sick today, so I'll see about an avatar change...)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 3:18:31 PM   
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I like the Eagles team. Players that you can rrot for.

I now despise and will forever despise their fan base.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 3:38:32 PM   
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My $0.02/2018 post-mortem:

The Bears are what we thought they were. They are a team that plays decent defense and keeps the score down. They also don't score a lot of points on offense in their own right. If you can match their physical play and not give them short fields/defense scores, you are in the mix. PHI was the perfect team to go in there and knock them off. They were fools for not letting the Vikes and their weak OL win in week 17 to get them yesterday.

CHI losing - and with the double doink - was glorious. **** Chicago.

SEA should have won but was too stubborn to adapt in-game.

DL vs. CB is chicken vs egg, IMHO. Good TEAM defense is what works. The units all have to be good and play well together. Otherwise, good OC and rules favor the offense.

If you made me pick, I would take DL. Need to be able to stop the run and get after the QB. Ask Eli and Tom Brady about that. And the rules have become wwwwaaaayyyyyy more in favor of passing in recent history. Just look at QB stats and compare them to 5, 10, 15 years ago (which is still in the 2000s). It's insane.

Defenders that play smart, physical and fast is where it is at - from CB to DL.

DET is gonna be a grease fire this year.

I think you will see GB struggle again.

CHI will not repeat at 12-4.

Need lots of resources to OL and coaching. The rest - from Barr, Rudolph, etc. - will work itself out.

I will be rooting for Indy during the playoffs, and also LAC. I like Rivers.

I will never root for the Saints. I hope PHI (who I am no fan of) crushes them in their own stinking house.

I will root for LAR over DAL.

Anyhow, peace and health to all in 2019. I hope they right the ship and the Vikes get back on track.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 4:14:57 PM   
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Maybe Philly 2ndary is better in the playoffs, or maybe they didn't play as well when Wentz played, skewing their stats down a little bit.

I thought LeBlanc made a few really nice plays for Philly.


Avonte Maddox was terrible. He'll bite on any double-move.


Yeah, I can see Brees going to that well frequently. Hopefully Maddox takes the lesson. Apologies to Brad, but Brees like all good QBs can only be stopped by pressure. Hope Philly smacks him around.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 5:18:25 PM   
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I think Carl Lee was a very solid CB. But Doleman, Millard, Thomas and Noga made his job a lot easier.

It was a different era. You seem to be missing the whole point of the argument.

Somebody in here catch him up. I've obviously failed to do so on three attempts.

Nobody is going to back you.

Who makes the Bears the great defense they are? Hicks and Mack or Amukamara and Fuller

Who has lead the resurgence of the Dallas defense? Lawrence and the LBs or the secondary

Philly defense goes as their DLine goes.

Bosa and Ingram top dogs for Chargers, although Safety Derwin James might be the last piece to that puzzle.

Again, just because you don't know much about the corners on those teams doesn't mean they aren't great corners. The problem with people like you is that you spend too much time listening to the announcers, who are lazy and often times just read the stat lines. With a defensive lineman, there is a tangible stat that allows for the lazy to be elevated to super star status in the eyes of the fans. With corners, they are great when you never hear their names called.

Michael Davis and Casey Hayward are both very good with the Chargers. Fuller and Amukamara blanketed Thielen and Diggs all day two weeks ago. And like I said last week, the Bears were good before Mack showed up, with Hicks being a mediocre defensive tackle before he showed up to play with the Bears. Now that he's got good corners, he's suddenly gone from relative obscurity to a pro bowler.

As for people backing me, I could care less. If everyone wants to be wrong, have at it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 5:22:45 PM   
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The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead.
CHI: 1st
BAL: 2nd
BUF: 3rd
MIN: 4th
JAX: 5th
PIT: 6th
TEN: 7th

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It's an offensive league. That is what the league wants and everything is slanted towards that.


And in my opinion it's a reflection of our society. Give it to me now. Flash and dash.



- yes the two teams scoring 50+ was fun but .... I prefer some solid D


Not quite as fun for the team that scored 51...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 6:14:56 PM   
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Arizona really hosed us for the 2019 draft cutting Bradford when they did. Lost a 3rd round comp ick.

Looks like we'll be getting a 6, 7, 7

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 6:19:52 PM   
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I think Carl Lee was a very solid CB. But Doleman, Millard, Thomas and Noga made his job a lot easier.

It was a different era. You seem to be missing the whole point of the argument.

Somebody in here catch him up. I've obviously failed to do so on three attempts.

Nobody is going to back you.

Who makes the Bears the great defense they are? Hicks and Mack or Amukamara and Fuller

Who has lead the resurgence of the Dallas defense? Lawrence and the LBs or the secondary

Philly defense goes as their DLine goes.

Bosa and Ingram top dogs for Chargers, although Safety Derwin James might be the last piece to that puzzle.

Again, just because you don't know much about the corners on those teams doesn't mean they aren't great corners. The problem with people like you is that you spend too much time listening to the announcers, who are lazy and often times just read the stat lines. With a defensive lineman, there is a tangible stat that allows for the lazy to be elevated to super star status in the eyes of the fans. With corners, they are great when you never hear their names called.

Michael Davis and Casey Hayward are both very good with the Chargers. Fuller and Amukamara blanketed Thielen and Diggs all day two weeks ago. And like I said last week, the Bears were good before Mack showed up, with Hicks being a mediocre defensive tackle before he showed up to play with the Bears. Now that he's got good corners, he's suddenly gone from relative obscurity to a pro bowler.

As for people backing me, I could care less. If everyone wants to be wrong, have at it.

Good corners are helping Hicks throw interior lineman into the legs of the QB all game long.

I get that you have to stay with your saying "Defense starts at the corners" but you are getting ridiculous.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 6:31:20 PM   
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So Matt LaFluer to the Packers as their new HC. I guess I'm ok with that, I didn't see Tennessee as a dynamic offense. They couldn't figure out if they wanted to use Derrick Henry or Dion Lewis. They made the playoffs last year, so not sure that he was an upgrade, which is good for us. I'm sure the Packers hope they found the next "BE YOU" coach.

Dirk Koetter to the Vikings? Hmm, he seems to have offenses that can put up points. I still can't believe the Bucs went into New Orleans and beat them in Week 1. I also must acknowledge that I was not upset that he went with the "hot hand" approach at QB, though "experts" claim it is a bad idea. Why is it a bad idea to pull the guy who sucks?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 6:41:20 PM   
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I think Carl Lee was a very solid CB. But Doleman, Millard, Thomas and Noga made his job a lot easier.

It was a different era. You seem to be missing the whole point of the argument.

Somebody in here catch him up. I've obviously failed to do so on three attempts.

Nobody is going to back you.

Who makes the Bears the great defense they are? Hicks and Mack or Amukamara and Fuller

Who has lead the resurgence of the Dallas defense? Lawrence and the LBs or the secondary

Philly defense goes as their DLine goes.

Bosa and Ingram top dogs for Chargers, although Safety Derwin James might be the last piece to that puzzle.

Again, just because you don't know much about the corners on those teams doesn't mean they aren't great corners. The problem with people like you is that you spend too much time listening to the announcers, who are lazy and often times just read the stat lines. With a defensive lineman, there is a tangible stat that allows for the lazy to be elevated to super star status in the eyes of the fans. With corners, they are great when you never hear their names called.

Michael Davis and Casey Hayward are both very good with the Chargers. Fuller and Amukamara blanketed Thielen and Diggs all day two weeks ago. And like I said last week, the Bears were good before Mack showed up, with Hicks being a mediocre defensive tackle before he showed up to play with the Bears. Now that he's got good corners, he's suddenly gone from relative obscurity to a pro bowler.

As for people backing me, I could care less. If everyone wants to be wrong, have at it.

Good corners are helping Hicks throw interior lineman into the legs of the QB all game long.

I get that you have to stay with your saying "Defense starts at the corners" but you are getting ridiculous.

Yes, they are. Because he has more time to do his thing. Guys aren't open.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/7/2019 6:42:38 PM   
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So Matt LaFluer to the Packers as their new HC. I guess I'm ok with that, I didn't see Tennessee as a dynamic offense. They couldn't figure out if they wanted to use Derrick Henry or Dion Lewis. They made the playoffs last year, so not sure that he was an upgrade, which is good for us. I'm sure the Packers hope they found the next "BE YOU" coach.

Dirk Koetter to the Vikings? Hmm, he seems to have offenses that can put up points. I still can't believe the Bucs went into New Orleans and beat them in Week 1. I also must acknowledge that I was not upset that he went with the "hot hand" approach at QB, though "experts" claim it is a bad idea. Why is it a bad idea to pull the guy who sucks?

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Worked with Cousins in WAS, Ryan in ATL. Time with Shanahan and McVay I think.

Makes sense to me.

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CHI: 1st
BAL: 2nd
BUF: 3rd
MIN: 4th
JAX: 5th
PIT: 6th
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Everyone has loved that Bears D so much all year, they're all 'whatever' to me ...
In crunchtime yesterday the Eagles shoved it right down their throats.
They're as much to blame as the Bears very-average offense and their much-maligned kicker. Imo.

I was much more impressed with Philly's tackling than with the Bears.

Philly has a terrible back end to their defense

Kind of shoots a hole in Hoiseth's banter


I would have said that 7 weeks ago, but guys like Maddox and Leblanc have really improved. The Saints beat them 48-7 but that was the same week they had lost nearly their entire secondary.

I don't agree with the D starts at corner mantra however.
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