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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 10:09:53 AM

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There is speculation that the Vikes should tank next season to draft the Clemson QB.

If they do then Zimmer and Spielman should be gone and the new GM coach can draft the Clemson QB.

These are men with pride. They want to win. To intentionally lose would make it harder to attract FAs and keep our stars as they wouldn't want to play for an org that is losing on purpose to draft a guy that may never pan out in the NFL.

Sucking for Luck isn't going to sit well with this Vikings fan if that were true.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 10:32:23 AM

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There is speculation that the Vikes should tank next season to draft the Clemson QB.

What would that do? He was a true Freshman this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 10:54:55 AM

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So PA thinks the order for OC coach is Stepanski, Downey, and Bevel.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 10:58:18 AM

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According to PA: Browns Analytical wants Stepanski, Browns GM wants Kitchens....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:10:22 AM

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Kevin Stefanski, a finalist for the Browns' head-coaching job, is returning to Minnesota as the Vikings offensive coordinator, per source.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:11:36 AM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:13:41 AM

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Denver reached agreement with Bears’ DC Vic Fangio to become the Broncos’ next head coach, sources tell me and @DanGrazianoESPN. It will be a four-year deal plus a team option for a fifth, per source.

Wow double good news for the Vikings!!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:17:54 AM

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I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:19:31 AM

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There is speculation that the Vikes should tank next season to draft the Clemson QB.

What would that do? He was a true Freshman this year.

Tank in 2020 then?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:22:28 AM

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There is speculation that the Vikes should tank next season to draft the Clemson QB.

hahaha.

Posts by Ragnarok and CP are not speculation.

They are simple derision. And transparent.

The team would consider self-neutering before tanking a season. Which amounts to the same thing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:23:06 AM

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Gregg Williams let go from Browns....lol

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:23:09 AM

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There is speculation that the Vikes should tank next season to draft the Clemson QB.

Gruden could do that and not worry about his job. He can try next year and if it doesn’t work tank in 2020.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:33:14 AM

Tom Sykes

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I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hitting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:35:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:56:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

I'm okay with him staying with us, as well. Now, if we get the oline fixed (coach and talent) I think we will be moving in the right direction.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:57:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

Not disagreeing with you, I don't know enough about him to say one way or the other, but what makes you think he's a good pick? Just hoping you can enlighten me so I can share your hope.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:57:21 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

That's no shocker, you being a glass half full kind of dude.

But their is little evidence how he will playcall, execute gameplans, and most importantly, make in game adjustments against good defenses and seasoned DCs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 11:59:15 AM

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Officer who pulled Adrian Peterson over for speeding joked she wouldn't have if the Redskins were winning
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The Virginia State Police officer who pulled over and ticketed Washington Redskins running back Adrian Peterson for speeding in November joked in court on Tuesday that she wouldn’t have done so if the Redskins had been playing better.

Peterson was ticketed for going 78 mph in a 55 mph zone on Nov. 27, and had the charge reduced simply to speeding from a misdemeanor reckless driving charge on Tuesday. Anyone in Virginia stopped for going more than 20 mph over the speed limit can be charged with reckless driving.

At the time of the incident, the Redskins were 6-5. They finished the season 7-9, missing the postseason for the third straight year.

“If the Redskins were winning, I wouldn’t have written a ticket,” trooper K.M. Freeman joked to a bailiff during recess at court on Tuesday, just before Peterson’s case was called, via USA Today.

Peterson was not in court, instead represented by an attorney, and ordered to pay a $250 fine.

The 33-year-old running back ran for 1,042 yards and seven touchdowns for the Redskins this season — his first with the team. He also became the oldest running back to record a 1,000-yard season in more than 30 years.

He is set to become a free agent this offseason, though has said he hopes to play again for the Redskins next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:06:43 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

Not disagreeing with you, I don't know enough about him to say one way or the other, but what makes you think he's a good pick? Just hoping you can enlighten me so I can share your hope.

Pretty simple for me...Shurmur wanted him and I like what he did with Case last year. Look at what Case did in Denver...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:09:47 PM

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After the death of Tony Sparano, the Vikings went with Assistant OL Coach Andrew Janocko and TE Coach Clancy Barone as co-OL Coaches. Head coach Mike Zimmer gave some mild compliments to both coaches at his end-of-season press conference, but also said that after the death of Tony Sparano things went into a tailspin.

Andrew Janocko had only worked as an assistant OL coach for a year before being elevated after Sparano’s death. No offense to Janocko, but he’s a young guy that could use a few more seasons as an assistant OL coach before being really ready to be the position coach.

Clancy Barone had been an offensive line coach before with a couple teams, but never for very long. He has alternated between OL coach and TE coach, but has had a hard time holding onto either position for more than a couple years since becoming an NFL coach in 2004. Eight of those years since he’s been a TE coach, and that may be the better spot for him. His runs as OL coach have been very short lived- one or two years at the most.

I would be surprised if either Janocko or Barone were given any serious consideration to stay on as OL coach, and I hope getting a top OL coach is as high a priority as getting a top offensive coordinator for the Vikings early this off-season.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/9/18163609/vikings-off-season-evaluation-offensive-line

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:11:31 PM

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So Fanski? (or in Phil's world, Panski)

Fancy

???

Hard to beat Flip.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:13:45 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

Not disagreeing with you, I don't know enough about him to say one way or the other, but what makes you think he's a good pick? Just hoping you can enlighten me so I can share your hope.

Pretty simple for me...Shurmur wanted him and I like what he did with Case last year. Look at what Case did in Denver...

That's purely circumstantial and would not hold up in court.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:21:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I like Stepanski coming back.

Interesting take was the Vikes wanted to act fast as the Broncos or other team would bring in Stepanski....Keenum/Stepanski were very close last year and Fangio is the next coach for Denver.

Continuity from last season doesn’t do a lot for me ... so although we won’t fall on our face with another Flipper debacle ... we have gone the safe route over hotting for the fences.

OL coach will possibly now have the bigger impact on the franchise next season (than OC Fancy).

If we stay with Barone, I will be sorely disappointed.

I think that Stepanski is a good pick and he deserves a shot. I bet the Broncos were looking at him too...they may bring back Kubiak.

Stefanski hasn't been on the Broncos radar, at least from a public perspective (no chatter about him here). Strong indication that Kubiak is coming back/involved in the coaching and the main reason why Elway felt comfortable going with a defensive HC again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:22:46 PM

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Stefanski back. I'm ok with it. Zimmer knows this is an all or nothing season.

As posted they better bring in a helluva Oline coach. That coaching position is almost as important as the OC.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/9/2019 12:26:05 PM

Tom Sykes

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After the death of Tony Sparano, the Vikings went with Assistant OL Coach Andrew Janocko and TE Coach Clancy Barone as co-OL Coaches. Head coach Mike Zimmer gave some mild compliments to both coaches at his end-of-season press conference, but also said that after the death of Tony Sparano things went into a tailspin.

Andrew Janocko had only worked as an assistant OL coach for a year before being elevated after Sparano’s death. No offense to Janocko, but he’s a young guy that could use a few more seasons as an assistant OL coach before being really ready to be the position coach.

Clancy Barone had been an offensive line coach before with a couple teams, but never for very long. He has alternated between OL coach and TE coach, but has had a hard time holding onto either position for more than a couple years since becoming an NFL coach in 2004. Eight of those years since he’s been a TE coach, and that may be the better spot for him. His runs as OL coach have been very short lived- one or two years at the most.

I would be surprised if either Janocko or Barone were given any serious consideration to stay on as OL coach, and I hope getting a top OL coach is as high a priority as getting a top offensive coordinator for the Vikings early this off-season.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/1/9/18163609/vikings-off-season-evaluation-offensive-line

I hope this is true. Completely true.

Plus, if Stefanski/offense do well ... we will possibly be looking for a new OC in 2020.

We would do well to bring in a solid pure (Grimm please) OLC for the long term, and a QB coach with OC experience to MAYBE plug in later on...

(not to mention if the team strikes out twice with new OC talent evals)

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