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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 8:27:47 AM

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A lot of young Viking players have an extra reason to be motivated this season.

https://zonecoverage.com/2020/minnesota-vikings-news/prove-it-years-many-key-minnesota-vikings-are-playing-for-new-contracts/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 8:36:57 AM

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Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 8:41:44 AM

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Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's

or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:07:40 AM

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Elf and Dozier as our starting G's leaves a lot to be desired.

Spielman simply doesn't get it. I want to remain optimistic but see little chance our IOL holding up against the better dlines in the league.

We will continue to beat weak below 500 teams and lose to the above 500 teams. rinse and repeat.

Would you be more inspired if Cleveland moves up to LG and Oli Udoh moves up to RG? That could happen. I don't know. There's a chance.

Make this happen. Elfin magic can back up both guard spots and center. Dozier is a career back up. Let's start the building this (in a COVID-19 tainted season) for next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:16:40 AM

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Minnesota Vikings Cornerbacks by Age

Kris Boyd - 23
Mike Hughes - 23
Holton Hill - 23
Jeff Gladney - 23
Cameron Dantzler - 21

(Luke Inman on Twitter)

Gladney kind of old for a rookie.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:21:04 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:25:15 AM

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Check out Ezra Cleveland's combine grade:

Size Rating: 52/100
Speed Score: 97/100
Agility Score: 95/100
Quickness Score: 87/100
Strength Score: 86/100

https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Ezra&l=Cleveland&i=30057

Size doesn't matter that much if you got the strength, although extra poundage can provide you a built in anchor, it will hurt you in other ways.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:27:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

Elflain has started all 3 seasons under 3 different OC's. And about to start his fourth season under yet another OC.

Who is the common denominator here einstein?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:35:40 AM

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Elf and Dozier are career backups, plain and simple. What happened to Samia? Did he get his 15 minutes of fame?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:35:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

Elflain has started all 3 seasons under 3 different OC's. And about to start his fourth season under yet another OC.

Who is the common denominator here einstein?

So you're saying Zimmer is dumping OCs because they can't get Elflein to perform. It just keeps getting better.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:57:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

Elflain has started all 3 seasons under 3 different OC's. And about to start his fourth season under yet another OC.

Who is the common denominator here einstein?

So you're saying Zimmer is dumping OCs because they can't get Elflein to perform. It just keeps getting better.

I'm saying Zim is the HC and is calling the shots. 4 OC's and Elflain is starting for all of them.

The only other explanation is orders from Spielman. Or, probably the most plausible one is that Spielman simply hasn't drafted/signed anyone better than Elflain. Which is scary.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 10:59:24 AM

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Elf and Dozier are career backups, plain and simple. What happened to Samia? Did he get his 15 minutes of fame?

Camp reports haven't had many kind words for Samia.

What about Udoh? Is he up to snuff physically after contracting the Covid?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 12:04:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

Elflain has started all 3 seasons under 3 different OC's. And about to start his fourth season under yet another OC.

Who is the common denominator here einstein?

So you're saying Zimmer is dumping OCs because they can't get Elflein to perform. It just keeps getting better.

I'm saying Zim is the HC and is calling the shots. 4 OC's and Elflain is starting for all of them.

The only other explanation is orders from Spielman. Or, probably the most plausible one is that Spielman simply hasn't drafted/signed anyone better than Elflain. Which is scary.

Every HC we have ever had gets blamed for keeping low performing incumbent players over promising youngsters (although in the case of Elflein who exactly looks promising? Nobody.) Football coaches are creatures of habit and low or average performing continuity is always the lesser evil over youthful unreliability.

Elflein getting plugged in has nothing to do with Zimmer or Spielman. Nothing. It would be an absolute insult to both Kubiak and or Dennison to be directed in that way.

More than likely, it comes down to every new OC thinking their system and god-given coaching ability will unlock the potential of an Elflein.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 12:07:39 PM

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Well ... Spielman gets blamed for not infusing more talent into the OL. He has taken more draft shots the last few years but it simply has not been enough.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 12:25:42 PM

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prediction: spielman trades a 7th rounder to cleveland for sendejo....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 12:35:42 PM

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Elf and Dozier are career backups, plain and simple. What happened to Samia? Did he get his 15 minutes of fame?

Camp reports haven't had many kind words for Samia.

What about Udoh? Is he up to snuff physically after contracting the Covid?

Did he actually contract the COVID? I think that list was both for those who contracted, and those who MAY have had contact with someone with COVID. And they were not allowed to say which was which.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 12:59:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

I can’t think of a single player on the entire team that ever cracked the starting lineup for a reason other than injury.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 1:30:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Elf and Dozier are career backups, plain and simple. What happened to Samia? Did he get his 15 minutes of fame?

Camp reports haven't had many kind words for Samia.

What about Udoh? Is he up to snuff physically after contracting the Covid?

Did he actually contract the COVID? I think that list was both for those who contracted, and those who MAY have had contact with someone with COVID. And they were not allowed to say which was which.

Thought I read on here that both Udoh and Cameron Smith both confirmed they had the virus.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 1:46:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

Elflain has started all 3 seasons under 3 different OC's. And about to start his fourth season under yet another OC.

Who is the common denominator here einstein?

So you're saying Zimmer is dumping OCs because they can't get Elflein to perform. It just keeps getting better.

I'm saying Zim is the HC and is calling the shots. 4 OC's and Elflain is starting for all of them.

The only other explanation is orders from Spielman. Or, probably the most plausible one is that Spielman simply hasn't drafted/signed anyone better than Elflain. Which is scary.

Every HC we have ever had gets blamed for keeping low performing incumbent players over promising youngsters (although in the case of Elflein who exactly looks promising? Nobody.) Football coaches are creatures of habit and low or average performing continuity is always the lesser evil over youthful unreliability.

Elflein getting plugged in has nothing to do with Zimmer or Spielman. Nothing. It would be an absolute insult to both Kubiak and or Dennison to be directed in that way.

More than likely, it comes down to every new OC thinking their system and god-given coaching ability will unlock the potential of an Elflein.

You obviously have never worked for a big company. You'd be absolutely floored at the stupid shit the high level mustaches do.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 2:17:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

I can’t think of a single player on the entire team that ever cracked the starting lineup for a reason other than injury.

I am floored that not only is Elflein apparently the incumbent at RG, but NONE of our rather tepid offseason acquisitions in our coaches view have stepped up to take the other guard position as well.
As much as I was against the signing of Josh Kline last year he actually turned out pretty damn solid. Evidently he was a non go forward contributor, but Dakota Dozier is being eased into an eventual replacement albeit at LG for Elf?
With my customary preseason meltdown this is asinine on its face, but that being said I’ll await the outcome as I believe we have one of the best OLine coaches in the league.
Trying to make Chicken salad out of Chicken sh#t would be pathetic with this glaring of a need that EVERYONE can see, and is incredibly key to us advancing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 2:48:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

I can’t think of a single player on the entire team that ever cracked the starting lineup for a reason other than injury.

Then you need gain more clarity in your thinking. Thielen, Austin Cutting, C.J. Ham, Brian O'Neill, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Danielle Hunter all either flat out replaced the incumbent or made it possible for the Vikings to release the incumbent, or drove the incumbent into retirement.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 2:48:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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Elf and Dozier are career backups, plain and simple. What happened to Samia? Did he get his 15 minutes of fame?

Camp reports haven't had many kind words for Samia.

What about Udoh? Is he up to snuff physically after contracting the Covid?

Did he actually contract the COVID? I think that list was both for those who contracted, and those who MAY have had contact with someone with COVID. And they were not allowed to say which was which.

Thought I read on here that both Udoh and Cameron Smith both confirmed they had the virus.

Mebbe.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 2:54:04 PM

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Latest RotoWorld blurb on Jefferson seeming to contradict the prior one.

JUSTIN JEFFERSON
WR, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

First-round WR Justin Jefferson has “distanced himself” from the rest of the Vikings receivers.
This conflicts with reports Jefferson isn’t higher than the No. 3 option. Jefferson missed the first two weeks of training camp on the COVID-19 List. Despite that, he’s rotated with Olabisi Johnson and Chad Beebe behind Adam Thielen in three-wide sets. The Star Tribune's Andrew Krammer believes Jefferson is “set up well” to win a starting job.

SOURCE: Minneapolis Star Tribune
Aug 21, 2020, 6:17 PM ET

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 3:12:21 PM

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I tried to copy and paste this, but because of the arrows up and down I was unable to do so. It is a simple review of how the players are doing in training camp.

https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/1297198749563990016?s=20

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/22/2020 4:39:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Unseating an anointed starter just isn’t a thing under zimmer. It’s a part of his coaching style that could improve.

Agreed. he seems to have his guys and keeps trotting them out there matter how bad they play.

Not sure what the love affair this team has with Elflain but the guy has been a complete liability the last 2 seasons. If there was no one worthy of replacing him with Spielman should have drafted 15 G's or at least moved some money around and picked up a servicable FA G.

Zimmer does not call the shots with regards to the OL. "Hey Kubiak, Dennison WTF! Get Elflein in there, or else!" Preposterous.

I can’t think of a single player on the entire team that ever cracked the starting lineup for a reason other than injury.

Then you need gain more clarity in your thinking. Thielen, Austin Cutting, C.J. Ham, Brian O'Neill, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Danielle Hunter all either flat out replaced the incumbent or made it possible for the Vikings to release the incumbent, or drove the incumbent into retirement.

Thielen required an injury to make the lineup same as Diggs. I posted the details on that once a while ago. Ham plays a position that we carry one player at. I’ll look into cutting. O’Neil was an anointed starter (high draft pick worked out great!). I’ll look into hunter as well. I’m not sure but didn’t we hang on to Robison too long? Maybe they don’t overlap. I’ll look more later. Caught up in an all-day wedding right now.

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