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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The Rams undermined any design cred via the stadium by introducing----hands down----the ugliest uniforms in football. Who things dingy white----er, "bone"----is attractive, other than anyone who can't get their whites white in their laundry?

And the Dodgers are right there setting the example of what white uniforms are. Bright white.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His yards are a bit low but that could be a multitude of factors but if you look at his production versus other teams #2, he stacks right there.


He only had 45 targets as a rook. If you look at his actual production though, on those looks, they are right there with the 2 Super Bowl teams #2 WR:

Bisi/Hill/Samuel


Hill and Samuel had 89 and 81 targets so roughly 2X's more than Bisi. If you double Bisi's targets and look at the numbers it's not far off (minus yards which I mentioned)


Bisi - 90 targets for 61 receptions, 588 yards and 6 TD's

Hill - 89 targets for 58 receptions, 860 yards and 7 TD's

Samuel - 81 targets for 57 receptions, 802 yards and 3 TD's


He's pretty productive but not a home run hitter.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His yards are a bit low but that could be a multitude of factors but if you look at his production versus other teams #2, he stacks right there.


He only had 45 targets as a rook. If you look at his actual production though, on those looks, they are right there with the 2 Super Bowl teams #2 WR:

Bisi/Hill/Samuel


Hill and Samuel had 89 and 81 targets so roughly 2X's more than Bisi. If you double Bisi's targets and look at the numbers it's not far off (minus yards which I mentioned)


Bisi - 90 targets for 61 receptions, 588 yards and 6 TD's

Hill - 89 targets for 58 receptions, 860 yards and 7 TD's

Samuel - 81 targets for 57 receptions, 802 yards and 3 TD's


He's pretty productive but not a home run hitter.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

PA on @KFAN1003 saying Aviante Collins now the leader for the starting LG spot

(Nate on Twitter)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

PA on @KFAN1003 saying Aviante Collins now the leader for the starting LG spot

(Nate on Twitter)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

PA on @KFAN1003 saying Aviante Collins now the leader for the starting LG spot

(Nate on Twitter)

The takeaway is none of these twitter guys know the first thing about what is going on.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

PA on @KFAN1003 saying Aviante Collins now the leader for the starting LG spot

(Nate on Twitter)

The takeaway is none of these twitter guys know the first thing about what is going on.

Who Paul Allen?

😉

Hell he gets it as wrong as anybody

I am encouraged that Collins is making progress. He might be the most talented of the candidates.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Andre Patterson says that he was told the 8 players who were held out of yesterday’s practice after presumptive positive tests will practice today.

(Minnesota Vikings on Twitter)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Andre Patterson says that he was told the 8 players who were held out of yesterday’s practice after presumptive positive tests will practice today.

(Minnesota Vikings on Twitter)

Great news.
Very bad for the New Jersey lab coming up with all the false positives.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

Spot on post

What it boils down to is that we will simply have a poor oline as long Spielman is our GM.

Building from the "outside in" pretty much nails his philosophy.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

Spot on post

What it boils down to is that we will simply have a poor oline as long Spielman is our GM.

Building from the "outside in" pretty much nails his philosophy.

So O'Neil, Bradbury, and Cleveland you are giving up on? The problem is that Kalil was good for about 2 years and we spent the 7th pick of the draft on him.....made him gun shy drafting OL.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

Spot on post

What it boils down to is that we will simply have a poor oline as long Spielman is our GM.

Building from the "outside in" pretty much nails his philosophy.

So O'Neil, Bradbury, and Cleveland you are giving up on? The problem is that Kalil was good for about 2 years and we spent the 7th pick of the draft on him.....made him gun shy drafting OL.

4th overall.

But if that made him gun shy, he's not up to the job. At all.

But I don't buy that excuse.

Otherwise why would he draft Justin Jefferson after Treadwell busted?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

Spot on post

What it boils down to is that we will simply have a poor oline as long Spielman is our GM.

Building from the "outside in" pretty much nails his philosophy.

So O'Neil, Bradbury, and Cleveland you are giving up on? The problem is that Kalil was good for about 2 years and we spent the 7th pick of the draft on him.....made him gun shy drafting OL.

4th overall.

But if that made him gun shy, he's not up to the job. At all.

But I don't buy that excuse.

Otherwise why would he draft Justin Jefferson after Treadwell busted?

We did receive an extra #1 pick we received for Diggs for one; but he hasn't spent higher than a 2nd rounder since.....

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

They really should have foreseen Michael Pierce opting out this season. Damn Spielman! If he would have signed a second Pro-bowl caliber NT we'd be in good shape. Can never quite figure out what that guy is thinking.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

The Rams undermined any design cred via the stadium by introducing----hands down----the ugliest uniforms in football. Who things dingy white----er, "bone"----is attractive, other than anyone who can't get their whites white in their laundry?

And the Dodgers are right there setting the example of what white uniforms are. Bright white.

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

* Still have a feeling that my post draft assessment after looking at college clips, that the later pick CB Cameron Dantzler will be a better player than 1st rounder CB Jeff Gladney, will be correct.

* Hearing comments from Theilen being very impressed with Dantzler strengthens that.

* I am looking forward to a 2ndary without Rhodes and Waynes, was never real high on Waynes.

* But the new 2ndary will probably struggle as I think the Vikes will miss Griffin more than many think.

* While I think Jefferson will be a future star, Johnson will play very well, and won't give up the #2 spot for at least another year, unless Johnson is injured.

* Maybe a strange prediction, while I feel that Griffin will play well for Dallas, I have a feeling something bad will happen with him in Texas, that he will get into trouble with the law [thinking of Peterson in Texas - bar fight, and punishing his child], and that trouble could end his professional football career.

If jefferson can't beat out Johnson this year he was a wasted draft pick. Bisi is a terrible #2.

Agreed 100%

What's most depressing reading about camp is our lines.
if you believe winning starts up front, we have seemed to abandon that philosophy
The oline has been decent at times that last couple years, but too many weaknesses to hold up to 17 weeks of NFL caliber defenses
it's a struggle to see how this Oline is much better. This is a defining year for Bradbury, he clearly did not stack up to the hype in year 1, and his "athleticism" was not enough to make up for his lack of bulk/strength vs big lineman.
if he grades out as below average, that pick is a tough loss.

Bigger issue may be the d line though. Wow will that interior be bad, I'd expect team to gouge us up the middle and lots of play action until they can stop it.

Seems like they are focused on trying to improve the team from the outside in.

Right now, this just seems like the team that will have enough talent to beat the teams they should, but will struggle vs elite caliber team, particularly those with strong lines.

Spot on post

What it boils down to is that we will simply have a poor oline as long Spielman is our GM.

Building from the "outside in" pretty much nails his philosophy.

So O'Neil, Bradbury, and Cleveland you are giving up on? The problem is that Kalil was good for about 2 years and we spent the 7th pick of the draft on him.....made him gun shy drafting OL.

4th overall.

But if that made him gun shy, he's not up to the job. At all.

But I don't buy that excuse.

Otherwise why would he draft Justin Jefferson after Treadwell busted?

We did receive an extra #1 pick we received for Diggs for one; but he hasn't spent higher than a 2nd rounder since.....

Right. But I don't think he's gun shy because Kalil was a miss. He's had plenty of high pick misses at other positions.

But I do think he tends to undervalue linemen. Or at least feels that you can get comparable value later tin the draft on linemen than you can on other positions. (And he's actually been right on defense, but not so much on offense).