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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2020 8:42:34 PM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Camp Winners:

Bisi Johnson
Alexander Hollins
Dakota Dozier
Cam Dantzler
Jaleel Johnson
Holton Hill
Dan Bailey

Camp Losers

Jake Browning
Nate Stanley
Dru Samia
Kris Boyd
Tajae Sharpe
Ezra Cleveland
Dillon Mitchell

(Rick Sosa on Twitter)

I would also add Sean Mannion as a loser, although I really can't qualify that as "Camp" specific.

Mannion, Browning...I just don't get why we're so unwilling to have competent back-up QBs?

Or at least guys with some potential.

Kaepernick is just sitting there.....

I will become a Packers fan if that happens.

You're likely to remain safely purple.

I hope so. I really don't want to root for the Green and Gold. My feelings against Kaepernick are so strong that I was thinking that even if he is a Viking for a minute I will never root for the Vikings again. But really, there must be another team to root for better than the Packers. My daughter lives in Michigan. Maybe I could root for the Lions.

Why would you pick Green Bay? 30 better choices out there if you ask me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2020 8:45:00 PM

David F.

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My second choice has always been KC. Drivable stadium, incredible tailgate and game day experience, non-congested concourses and reasonable concessions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2020 9:17:11 PM 2 votes

Todd M

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Camp Winners:

Bisi Johnson
Alexander Hollins
Dakota Dozier
Cam Dantzler
Jaleel Johnson
Holton Hill
Dan Bailey

Camp Losers

Jake Browning
Nate Stanley
Dru Samia
Kris Boyd
Tajae Sharpe
Ezra Cleveland
Dillon Mitchell

(Rick Sosa on Twitter)

I would also add Sean Mannion as a loser, although I really can't qualify that as "Camp" specific.

Mannion, Browning...I just don't get why we're so unwilling to have competent back-up QBs?

Or at least guys with some potential.

Kaepernick is just sitting there.....

I will become a Packers fan if that happens.

You're likely to remain safely purple.

I hope so. I really don't want to root for the Green and Gold. My feelings against Kaepernick are so strong that I was thinking that even if he is a Viking for a minute I will never root for the Vikings again. But really, there must be another team to root for better than the Packers. My daughter lives in Michigan. Maybe I could root for the Lions.

Too bad your near death experience wasnt able to make you s better person.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2020 11:21:01 PM 2 votes

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Camp Winners:

Bisi Johnson
Alexander Hollins
Dakota Dozier
Cam Dantzler
Jaleel Johnson
Holton Hill
Dan Bailey

Camp Losers

Jake Browning
Nate Stanley
Dru Samia
Kris Boyd
Tajae Sharpe
Ezra Cleveland
Dillon Mitchell

(Rick Sosa on Twitter)

I would also add Sean Mannion as a loser, although I really can't qualify that as "Camp" specific.

Mannion, Browning...I just don't get why we're so unwilling to have competent back-up QBs?

Or at least guys with some potential.

Kaepernick is just sitting there.....

I will become a Packers fan if that happens.

You're likely to remain safely purple.

I hope so. I really don't want to root for the Green and Gold. My feelings against Kaepernick are so strong that I was thinking that even if he is a Viking for a minute I will never root for the Vikings again. But really, there must be another team to root for better than the Packers. My daughter lives in Michigan. Maybe I could root for the Lions.

Too bad your near death experience wasnt able to make you s better person.

Really? Any person you don't like? What a horrid person you must be.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 7:40:20 AM

ratoppenheimer

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It would be so nice if we could trade Reiff and restructure Harrison right now....

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Vikings were busy Saturday shoring up their defensive line. Per @AdamSchefter
, the Jaguars are trading DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a 2nd and conditional 5th round pick (which could be as high as a 3rd). Ngakoue was franchised by JAX and still has to sign his tender.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Ngakoue's franchise tender is $17.8 million but I'd expect that number to drop somewhere in the 12-13 range with a restructure on the one-year deal for the DE. Minnesota will then have the ability to offer Ngakoue a long-term deal in 2021 since he didn't sign his tender by July15.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
The Vikings still need to create cap room. I'm hearing LT Riley Reiff could be a prime candidate for a restructure (has a $13.2 million cap hit), but cutting him would be a risky move since 2nd rounder Ezra Cleveland has been at LG throughout camp.

Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
Recapping the trade:

#Jaguars get:

2nd-round pick in 2021
Conditional 5th-round pick in 2022

#Vikings get:

DE Yannick Ngakoue

Ngakoue will rework his 1-year, $17.788 million franchise tender to complete the deal.

< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 8/30/2020 7:50:37 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:11:39 AM

Bruce Johnson

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Here is a video of the newest Viking player. Imagine if Hunter gets healthy again. That has to be a bigger question now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDgQv-Mp40M

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:20:05 AM

Bruce Johnson

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However, Courtney Cronin of ESPN.com reports that Hunter will be back on the field “soon.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/30/yannick-ngakoue-trade-raises-more-questions-about-danielle-hunter/

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 8/30/2020 8:21:25 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:25:39 AM

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Hey Trader Rick!
Our O-line is a mess because of you.
How about fixing that 1st!?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:37:17 AM

Bruce Johnson

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Pressures, since 2018:

Everson Griffen = 54
Yannick Ngakoue = 78

Per game:

Everson Griffen = 2.07
Yannick Ngakoue = 2.51

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:37:40 AM

Bruce Johnson

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The Vikings and DE Yannick Ngakoue worked overnight on an adjustment to his franchise tender, landing at a little under $13 million. That's down from $17.778 million. And Minnesota made clear its intention to do a long-term deal in '21.

So ... Ngakoue REALLY wanted out of Jax.

(Albert Breer on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:41:26 AM 2 votes

Todd M

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Camp Winners:

Bisi Johnson
Alexander Hollins
Dakota Dozier
Cam Dantzler
Jaleel Johnson
Holton Hill
Dan Bailey

Camp Losers

Jake Browning
Nate Stanley
Dru Samia
Kris Boyd
Tajae Sharpe
Ezra Cleveland
Dillon Mitchell

(Rick Sosa on Twitter)

I would also add Sean Mannion as a loser, although I really can't qualify that as "Camp" specific.

Mannion, Browning...I just don't get why we're so unwilling to have competent back-up QBs?

Or at least guys with some potential.

Kaepernick is just sitting there.....

I will become a Packers fan if that happens.

You're likely to remain safely purple.

I hope so. I really don't want to root for the Green and Gold. My feelings against Kaepernick are so strong that I was thinking that even if he is a Viking for a minute I will never root for the Vikings again. But really, there must be another team to root for better than the Packers. My daughter lives in Michigan. Maybe I could root for the Lions.

Too bad your near death experience wasnt able to make you s better person.

Really? Any person you don't like? What a horrid person you must be.

I'm comfortable in my own skin. You just worry about which MAGA hat to wear to the next rally. There's no opinion you can hold that will mean a split to me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:42:28 AM

Todd M

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Big unexpected move. Quite exciting.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:43:48 AM

Bruce Johnson

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Ngakoue is very close to Rashod Hill who was a fellow rookie in Jacksonville together. Hill was from Jacksonville and he showed him around. I don't know if that had something with the decision to come to Minnesota.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:45:36 AM

Bruce Johnson

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The Vikings now have an elite duo on all three levels of their defense:
Black small squarePass rusher: Danielle Hunter and Yannick Ngakoue
Black small squareLinebacker: Eric Kendricks and Anthony Barr
Black small squareSafety: Harrison Smith and Anthony Harris

A defense loaded with playmakers.

(Field Yates on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 8:56:36 AM

Bruce Johnson

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Yannick is one of the guys in the NFL who truly plays "with his hair on fire." Dude is full speed, all the time. Absolutely joy to study on film.

(Brandon Thorn on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:06:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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It would be so nice if we could trade Reiff and restructure Harrison right now....

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Vikings were busy Saturday shoring up their defensive line. Per @AdamSchefter
, the Jaguars are trading DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a 2nd and conditional 5th round pick (which could be as high as a 3rd). Ngakoue was franchised by JAX and still has to sign his tender.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Ngakoue's franchise tender is $17.8 million but I'd expect that number to drop somewhere in the 12-13 range with a restructure on the one-year deal for the DE. Minnesota will then have the ability to offer Ngakoue a long-term deal in 2021 since he didn't sign his tender by July15.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
The Vikings still need to create cap room. I'm hearing LT Riley Reiff could be a prime candidate for a restructure (has a $13.2 million cap hit), but cutting him would be a risky move since 2nd rounder Ezra Cleveland has been at LG throughout camp.

Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
Recapping the trade:

#Jaguars get:

2nd-round pick in 2021
Conditional 5th-round pick in 2022

#Vikings get:

DE Yannick Ngakoue

Ngakoue will rework his 1-year, $17.788 million franchise tender to complete the deal.

It seems like a horrible trade to me. Ngakoue is a good player, but he's a one year rental. There is no guarantee whatsoever that we can sign him to an extension and we lose a 2nd round pick for sure and possibly a 3rd as well? If he was signed to a decent deal great. He's not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:09:49 AM

Bruce Johnson

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I called #Vikings newly trade for DE Yannick Ngakoue this morning to get his hindsight on the trade. He hung up immediately

(Chris Tomasson on Twitter)

Ngakoue was not happy in Jacksonville. I hope that he doesn't bring the Vikings down with his issues.

Edit: this was actually from some dude calling himself "not Chris Tomasson", so ignore this as unreliable.

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 8/30/2020 9:19:54 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:10:04 AM

kgdabom

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The Vikings and DE Yannick Ngakoue worked overnight on an adjustment to his franchise tender, landing at a little under $13 million. That's down from $17.778 million. And Minnesota made clear its intention to do a long-term deal in '21.

So ... Ngakoue REALLY wanted out of Jax.

(Albert Breer on Twitter)

All we got out of the trade is a one year rental as far as I can tell. There is no option to sign an extension until next year and then we are competing with the rest of the NFL if I understand correctly. Somebody who understands all this better than me help me out/

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So let it be done."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:11:09 AM

kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I called #Vikings newly trade for DE Yannick Ngakoue this morning to get his hindsight on the trade. He hung up immediately

(Chris Tomasson on Twitter)

Ngakoue was not happy in Jacksonville. I hope that he doesn't bring the Vikings down with his issues.

Is he already signed for this season at least? It sounded like he is.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:13:06 AM

kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings now have an elite duo on all three levels of their defense:
Black small squarePass rusher: Danielle Hunter and Yannick Ngakoue
Black small squareLinebacker: Eric Kendricks and Anthony Barr
Black small squareSafety: Harrison Smith and Anthony Harris

A defense loaded with playmakers.

(Field Yates on Twitter)

What is Black Small Square?

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So let it be done."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:13:59 AM 1 votes

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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It would be so nice if we could trade Reiff and restructure Harrison right now....

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Vikings were busy Saturday shoring up their defensive line. Per @AdamSchefter
, the Jaguars are trading DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a 2nd and conditional 5th round pick (which could be as high as a 3rd). Ngakoue was franchised by JAX and still has to sign his tender.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Ngakoue's franchise tender is $17.8 million but I'd expect that number to drop somewhere in the 12-13 range with a restructure on the one-year deal for the DE. Minnesota will then have the ability to offer Ngakoue a long-term deal in 2021 since he didn't sign his tender by July15.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
The Vikings still need to create cap room. I'm hearing LT Riley Reiff could be a prime candidate for a restructure (has a $13.2 million cap hit), but cutting him would be a risky move since 2nd rounder Ezra Cleveland has been at LG throughout camp.

Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
Recapping the trade:

#Jaguars get:

2nd-round pick in 2021
Conditional 5th-round pick in 2022

#Vikings get:

DE Yannick Ngakoue

Ngakoue will rework his 1-year, $17.788 million franchise tender to complete the deal.

It seems like a horrible trade to me. Ngakoue is a good player, but he's a one year rental. There is no guarantee whatsoever that we can sign him to an extension and we lose a 2nd round pick for sure and possibly a 3rd as well? If he was signed to a decent deal great. He's not.

On top of that, the one year deal could end up being a five week deal if the league shuts down due to the virus.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:15:33 AM

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Big unexpected move. Quite exciting.

This is a great move. Ngakoue on turf will be Derrick Thomas like.

DLine went from question mark to strength.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:16:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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It would be so nice if we could trade Reiff and restructure Harrison right now....

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Vikings were busy Saturday shoring up their defensive line. Per @AdamSchefter
, the Jaguars are trading DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a 2nd and conditional 5th round pick (which could be as high as a 3rd). Ngakoue was franchised by JAX and still has to sign his tender.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Ngakoue's franchise tender is $17.8 million but I'd expect that number to drop somewhere in the 12-13 range with a restructure on the one-year deal for the DE. Minnesota will then have the ability to offer Ngakoue a long-term deal in 2021 since he didn't sign his tender by July15.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
The Vikings still need to create cap room. I'm hearing LT Riley Reiff could be a prime candidate for a restructure (has a $13.2 million cap hit), but cutting him would be a risky move since 2nd rounder Ezra Cleveland has been at LG throughout camp.

Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
Recapping the trade:

#Jaguars get:

2nd-round pick in 2021
Conditional 5th-round pick in 2022

#Vikings get:

DE Yannick Ngakoue

Ngakoue will rework his 1-year, $17.788 million franchise tender to complete the deal.

It seems like a horrible trade to me. Ngakoue is a good player, but he's a one year rental. There is no guarantee whatsoever that we can sign him to an extension and we lose a 2nd round pick for sure and possibly a 3rd as well? If he was signed to a decent deal great. He's not.

The 5th rounder becomes a 3rd if the Vikings win the Super Bowl. If that happens It will go down as one of the best trades the Vikings ever made.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:18:14 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings and DE Yannick Ngakoue worked overnight on an adjustment to his franchise tender, landing at a little under $13 million. That's down from $17.778 million. And Minnesota made clear its intention to do a long-term deal in '21.

So ... Ngakoue REALLY wanted out of Jax.

(Albert Breer on Twitter)

All we got out of the trade is a one year rental as far as I can tell. There is no option to sign an extension until next year and then we are competing with the rest of the NFL if I understand correctly. Somebody who understands all this better than me help me out/

We are loaded with draft picks next year.

Even if one year rental, we are trying to win right now which is what most fans want.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 9:20:18 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings and DE Yannick Ngakoue worked overnight on an adjustment to his franchise tender, landing at a little under $13 million. That's down from $17.778 million. And Minnesota made clear its intention to do a long-term deal in '21.

So ... Ngakoue REALLY wanted out of Jax.

(Albert Breer on Twitter)

All we got out of the trade is a one year rental as far as I can tell. There is no option to sign an extension until next year and then we are competing with the rest of the NFL if I understand correctly. Somebody who understands all this better than me help me out/

We are loaded with draft picks next year.

Even if one year rental, we are trying to win right now which is what most fans want.

If we were trying to win it all, we would have replaced Kirk Cousins at quarterback, or built a dominant offensive line in front of him. Neither has happened.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 8/30/2020 9:22:15 AM >

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