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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:32:25 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.


One of the reasons I have loved football is because it brings us together. The reason I am angry with the guy who started the kneeling is that he has driven a wedge and is dividing us all.

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 8/30/2020 11:39:26 AM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:33:22 AM   
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.





the Vikings will now finalize a restructured one-year tender to complete the trade, sources tell Pelissero.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-acquire-yannick-ngakoue-in-trade-with-jaguars

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:35:19 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.


One of the reasons I have loved football is because it brings us together. The reason I am angry with the guy who started the kneeling is that he has driven a wedge in dividing us all.


The wedge has been there for literally hundreds of years. He just shined a light on it.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:35:30 AM   
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The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.





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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:36:54 AM   
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.





the Vikings will now finalize a restructured one-year tender to complete the trade, sources tell Pelissero.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-acquire-yannick-ngakoue-in-trade-with-jaguars

Whatever. The Tender for a RFA is a specific amount set forth in the CBA. He will be signing a contract with the Vikings, but it isn't the RFA tender. Now I'm sure you will say my attempt to help you with what's actually going on is me being the Vortex and having to be right all the time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:40:58 AM   
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.





the Vikings will now finalize a restructured one-year tender to complete the trade, sources tell Pelissero.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-acquire-yannick-ngakoue-in-trade-with-jaguars

Whatever. The Tender for a RFA is a specific amount set forth in the CBA. He will be signing a contract with the Vikings, but it isn't the RFA tender.



This isn't a RFA tender. Wilson signed a RFA and got 3M or so and it had a a draft pick assigned (2nd rounder for example).

This was a franchise tag. Like the one Harris signed. And it's being restructured from 17M to 13M and still has to be signed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:41:12 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.


One of the reasons I have loved football is because it brings us together. The reason I am angry with the guy who started the kneeling is that he has driven a wedge in dividing us all.


The wedge has been there for literally hundreds of years. He just shined a light on it.


One should be mad at the ugly. Not those fighting to unveil it.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:47:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.





the Vikings will now finalize a restructured one-year tender to complete the trade, sources tell Pelissero.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-acquire-yannick-ngakoue-in-trade-with-jaguars

Whatever. The Tender for a RFA is a specific amount set forth in the CBA. He will be signing a contract with the Vikings, but it isn't the RFA tender.



This isn't a RFA tender. Wilson signed a RFA and got 3M or so and it had a a draft pick assigned (2nd rounder for example).

This was a franchise tag. Like the one Harris signed. And it's being restructured from 17M to 13M and still has to be signed.

OK Franchise tender which has a specific amount set forth in the CBA. There is no requirement of him signing the franchise tag/tender.
I thought by you saying he needed to sign the tender that you believed it was the franchise tender. That's what it sounded like to me. Maybe that's not what you meant. If you had just said he wasn't signed yet that would have been more clear. Sorry for misunderstanding your intent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:48:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.


One of the reasons I have loved football is because it brings us together. The reason I am angry with the guy who started the kneeling is that he has driven a wedge in dividing us all.


The wedge has been there for literally hundreds of years. He just shined a light on it.


One should be mad at the ugly. Not those fighting to unveil it.

He didn't unveil anything.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:49:44 AM   
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The #Vikings and new pass-rusher Yannick Ngakoue agreed to a 1-year contract worth a few million less than the tag, source said, which is what it took to get the deal done. Rather than $17M+ in Jax, Ngakoue takes less with a place he wants to make his home.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:50:04 AM   
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It being a young man's game and all, I feel like Rick has managed the off season pretty well. Time will tell of course.

Defense

Key losses:

Linval Joseph, age 31.8, PFF 71.2, cap hit $5.5 million
Everson Griffen, age 32.6, PFF 77.6, cap hit $6 million
Xavier Rhodes, age 30.1, PFF 46.4, cap hit $3.25 million
Trae Waynes, age 28.0, PFF 65.1, cap hit $10 million
Mackensie Alexander, age 26.7, PFF 65.7, cap hit $3.95 million

New additions:

Yannick Ngakoue, age 25.4, PFF 72.0, cap hit ~$13 million
Cameron Dantzler, age 21.9, cap hit $0.83 million
Jeff Gladney, age 23.7, cap hit $2 million

More playing time:

Mike Hughes, age 23.5, PFF 58.7, cap hit $1.79 million
Holton Hill, age 23.4, PFF 63.7, cap hit $0.49 million
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:52:36 AM  3 votes
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.


One of the reasons I have loved football is because it brings us together. The reason I am angry with the guy who started the kneeling is that he has driven a wedge and is dividing us all.

Dividing us all? I'd be more than happy to break bread and buy you a beer if you could admit that there is a racial disparity in this country that has existed for 200+ years. It would seem a small price to pay for a harmonious ending.

Your logic is the same of those that say unions are a bad thing. They wouldn't exist if employers would just stop taking advantage of employees.

At some point the little guy stands up and fights. Nothing is more American than that. I will join them in taking a knee, because it is the most American thing to do. If you were a true patriot for mankind, you'd do the same.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:53:26 AM   
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Can a player decline a franchise tag? As Bell displayed last year, a player can simply refuse to sign the franchise or transition tag tender. However, that player is not able to play in the NFL unless the tender is signed..


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/how-does-franchise-tag-work-in-the-nfl/1w7mwh36nqnfw1qb7lne9t9ka0

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:54:26 AM   
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It being a young man's game and all, I feel like Rick has managed the off season pretty well. Time will tell of course.

Defense

Key losses:

Linval Joseph, age 31.8, PFF 71.2, cap hit $5.5 million
Everson Griffen, age 32.6, PFF 77.6, cap hit $6 million
Xavier Rhodes, age 30.1, PFF 46.4, cap hit $3.25 million
Trae Waynes, age 28.0, PFF 65.1, cap hit $10 million
Mackensie Alexander, age 26.7, PFF 65.7, cap hit $3.95 million

New additions:

Yannick Ngakoue, age 25.4, PFF 72.0, cap hit ~$13 million
Cameron Dantzler, age 21.9, cap hit $0.83 million
Jeff Gladney, age 23.7, cap hit $2 million

More playing time:

Mike Hughes, age 23.5, PFF 58.7, cap hit $1.79 million
Holton Hill, age 23.4, PFF 63.7, cap hit $0.49 million

He also added Michael Pierce who unfortunately won't be playing for us this year. He would have begun the season at 27 years old and finished it at 28.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 11:58:03 AM   
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Can a player decline a franchise tag? As Bell displayed last year, a player can simply refuse to sign the franchise or transition tag tender. However, that player is not able to play in the NFL unless the tender is signed..


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/how-does-franchise-tag-work-in-the-nfl/1w7mwh36nqnfw1qb7lne9t9ka0

We both know he has to be signed to play. That's a DUH Given.
I thought by you saying he needed to sign the tender that you believed he had to sign the franchise tender. That's what it sounded like to me. Maybe that's not what you meant. If you had just said he wasn't signed yet that would have been more clear. Sorry for misunderstanding your intent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:35:18 PM   
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It being a young man's game and all, I feel like Rick has managed the off season pretty well. Time will tell of course.

Defense

Key losses:

Linval Joseph, age 31.8, PFF 71.2, cap hit $5.5 million
Everson Griffen, age 32.6, PFF 77.6, cap hit $6 million
Xavier Rhodes, age 30.1, PFF 46.4, cap hit $3.25 million
Trae Waynes, age 28.0, PFF 65.1, cap hit $10 million
Mackensie Alexander, age 26.7, PFF 65.7, cap hit $3.95 million

New additions:

Yannick Ngakoue, age 25.4, PFF 72.0, cap hit ~$13 million
Cameron Dantzler, age 21.9, cap hit $0.83 million
Jeff Gladney, age 23.7, cap hit $2 million

More playing time:

Mike Hughes, age 23.5, PFF 58.7, cap hit $1.79 million
Holton Hill, age 23.4, PFF 63.7, cap hit $0.49 million

I believe what some writer's who follow the team have said: RS et al see this year as a soft rebuild where we can continue winning but we may take a step back in deference to better positioning going forward. It makes the most sense to me, so when I see things undone which seemingly need to get done, I revert to seeing this as a bridge year, not a contender year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:35:43 PM   
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

In this case I am quite confident my understanding is more complete than yours. Don't call me out for my lack of understanding when you're the one who isn't getting what's going on.
It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.

LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:42:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

It being a young man's game and all, I feel like Rick has managed the off season pretty well. Time will tell of course.

Defense

Key losses:

Linval Joseph, age 31.8, PFF 71.2, cap hit $5.5 million
Everson Griffen, age 32.6, PFF 77.6, cap hit $6 million
Xavier Rhodes, age 30.1, PFF 46.4, cap hit $3.25 million
Trae Waynes, age 28.0, PFF 65.1, cap hit $10 million
Mackensie Alexander, age 26.7, PFF 65.7, cap hit $3.95 million

New additions:

Yannick Ngakoue, age 25.4, PFF 72.0, cap hit ~$13 million
Cameron Dantzler, age 21.9, cap hit $0.83 million
Jeff Gladney, age 23.7, cap hit $2 million

More playing time:

Mike Hughes, age 23.5, PFF 58.7, cap hit $1.79 million
Holton Hill, age 23.4, PFF 63.7, cap hit $0.49 million

I believe what some writer's who follow the team have said: RS et al see this year as a soft rebuild where we can continue winning but we may take a step back in deference to better positioning going forward. It makes the most sense to me, so when I see things undone which seemingly need to get done, I revert to seeing this as a bridge year, not a contender year.

That's a sensible interpretation. Things undone referring to interior offensive line, I suppose.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:49:51 PM   
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It being a young man's game and all, I feel like Rick has managed the off season pretty well. Time will tell of course.

Defense

Key losses:

Linval Joseph, age 31.8, PFF 71.2, cap hit $5.5 million
Everson Griffen, age 32.6, PFF 77.6, cap hit $6 million
Xavier Rhodes, age 30.1, PFF 46.4, cap hit $3.25 million
Trae Waynes, age 28.0, PFF 65.1, cap hit $10 million
Mackensie Alexander, age 26.7, PFF 65.7, cap hit $3.95 million

New additions:

Yannick Ngakoue, age 25.4, PFF 72.0, cap hit ~$13 million
Cameron Dantzler, age 21.9, cap hit $0.83 million
Jeff Gladney, age 23.7, cap hit $2 million

More playing time:

Mike Hughes, age 23.5, PFF 58.7, cap hit $1.79 million
Holton Hill, age 23.4, PFF 63.7, cap hit $0.49 million

I believe what some writer's who follow the team have said: RS et al see this year as a soft rebuild where we can continue winning but we may take a step back in deference to better positioning going forward. It makes the most sense to me, so when I see things undone which seemingly need to get done, I revert to seeing this as a bridge year, not a contender year.

That's a sensible interpretation. Things undone referring to interior offensive line, I suppose.

Also a veteran CB. Maybe even back-up QB and developmental LT picked high.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:51:56 PM   
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The whole team will be kneeling for the anthem in a few days time, so for fans who will be in an uproar and swear never to follow the Vikings again why not get an early start on leaving.


One of the reasons I have loved football is because it brings us together. The reason I am angry with the guy who started the kneeling is that he has driven a wedge and is dividing us all.


Actually, each individual's interpretation and emotions are the deciding factors on how much of a wedge issue it is. Even after media and political hoopla (like trump calling them sons of bitches), if a person decides to be angry that is on the individual.

The past few years I have been less of a fan mainly due to the incessant stoppages in the action due to replays and a host of new subjective rules. And money grabs like playing on Thurs when any player of worth will say their body hasn't healed. But Kap's decision had no bearing on my decision to follow the NFL.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:52:43 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:54:59 PM  1 votes
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

In this case I am quite confident my understanding is more complete than yours. Don't call me out for my lack of understanding when you're the one who isn't getting what's going on.
It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.

LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bohumm you are nothing but a jerk. If you truly believe there is something wrong with me you shouldn't be going out of your way to be a jerk to me every chance you get. My logic is absolutely flawless. Your being a jerk is 100%.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 12:59:29 PM   
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.





the Vikings will now finalize a restructured one-year tender to complete the trade, sources tell Pelissero.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-acquire-yannick-ngakoue-in-trade-with-jaguars

Whatever. The Tender for a RFA is a specific amount set forth in the CBA. He will be signing a contract with the Vikings, but it isn't the RFA tender.



This isn't a RFA tender. Wilson signed a RFA and got 3M or so and it had a a draft pick assigned (2nd rounder for example).

This was a franchise tag. Like the one Harris signed. And it's being restructured from 17M to 13M and still has to be signed.



OMG, KGBomb gets absolutely BEAT DOWN.

Hearkens images of Ali destroying an opponent and telling the ref to stop the fight.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2020 1:03:27 PM   
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Yannick will have to sign his tender. I wonder if the rework of the tender (Yannick taking a paycut) will include something to the effect of the Vikings not being able to tag him again next year.

This will also allow Ifeadi to rush more from the inside - which could make the whole line better. Jayln Holmes is probably gone.

What we do next for the cap is probably the most interesting part. Do we do restructures and kick the can down the road into a year where the cap might go down? And risk losing Cook, Harris, Oneil, etc? Or do we offset with a Reiff trade/cut and start the season at LT with Hill and move Ezra back to LT and hope he's ready at some point?

Spielman and Zimmer must think we are closer than a lot of us fans think we are.

If I understand things correctly he is already signed and not to the tender. More like our remaining 12.9 million cap space. It was part of the deal to facilitate the trade.

Here's a bit I found on RotoWorld.

YANNICK NGAKOUE
DL, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings acquired DE Yannick Ngakoue from the Jaguars for a second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fifth-round pick.
The conditional pick can become a fourth-rounder if Ngakoue makes the Pro Bowl. Ngakoue has yet to sign his $17.8 million franchise tender, but he's expected to restructure his deal to help create cap space. The Vikings are getting a star in Ngakoue, who has at least eight sacks in every season. He'll bookend Danielle Hunter to form one of the better pass rushing tandems in the league.

RELATED: Jacksonville Jaguars
SOURCE: ESPN
Aug 30, 2020, 10:15 AM ET



Jaguars agreed to trade franchise DE Yannick Ngakoue to Minnesota for a second- and conditional fifth-round pick that could go as high a third-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Ngakoue still has to sign his tender, but trade is in place and Ngakoue is expected to be a Viking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1300020372197330949


Per usual - your understanding could use some work.

It is correct that he hasn't signed the tender, but there is no requirement of him signing the Tender which is over 17 million. He has agreed to sign for less than the tender. If he hadn't agreed to sign for less than the tender no deal would have been made.





the Vikings will now finalize a restructured one-year tender to complete the trade, sources tell Pelissero.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-acquire-yannick-ngakoue-in-trade-with-jaguars

Whatever. The Tender for a RFA is a specific amount set forth in the CBA. He will be signing a contract with the Vikings, but it isn't the RFA tender.



This isn't a RFA tender. Wilson signed a RFA and got 3M or so and it had a a draft pick assigned (2nd rounder for example).

This was a franchise tag. Like the one Harris signed. And it's being restructured from 17M to 13M and still has to be signed.



OMG, KGBomb gets absolutely BEAT DOWN.

Hearkens images of Ali destroying an opponent and telling the ref to stop the fight.

Whatever you want to convince yourself of.

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