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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Are people calling the PI bogus bc PI isn't called on a hail Mary?

Cause it clearly was interference.

To me it's a very dumb unwritten rule to not call a foul a foul.

Thanks Todd
Thought I was nuts
The problem I saw was our guy being dumb enough to start interfering at the 15, instead of at the point of conflict.
Be smarter. Find smarter players.

Agreed... I think all the mauling in the endzone gets ignored... but Davis rode him for about 15 yards prior...

Side note: It irked me more than is reasonable that Harrison Smith goes all Troy Williamson on that hail mary... totally misjudges the easy grab... it wouldn't even make a difference but it was like the entire team was just off making small mistakes that killed the chance of winning.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Are people calling the PI bogus bc PI isn't called on a hail Mary?

Cause it clearly was interference.

To me it's a very dumb unwritten rule to not call a foul a foul.

Thanks Todd
Thought I was nuts
The problem I saw was our guy being dumb enough to start interfering at the 15, instead of at the point of conflict.
Be smarter. Find smarter players.

Agreed... I think all the mauling in the endzone gets ignored... but Davis rode him for about 15 yards prior...

Side note: It irked me more than is reasonable that Harrison Smith goes all Troy Williamson on that hail mary... totally misjudges the easy grab... it wouldn't even make a difference but it was like the entire team was just off making small mistakes that killed the chance of winning.

Again, glad someone else noticed ... Harry basically deflected that Hail Mary off his cup, over to a TB receiver.
Then we could have wasted time lamenting that, instead.
We are a comedy of errors at times.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Irv Smith Jr. was PFF's highest-graded tight end in the league this week (92.6 grade). Still not 100 percent healthy, he caught all four of his targets for 63 yards and a touchdown and blocked well in the running game.

(Will Ragatz on Twitter)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

No slack for Bailey!

It's not like it was close from 54.

He has to be cut and the ST's coach has to be shown the door.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Are people calling the PI bogus bc PI isn't called on a hail Mary?

Cause it clearly was interference.

To me it's a very dumb unwritten rule to not call a foul a foul.

Thanks Todd
Thought I was nuts
The problem I saw was our guy being dumb enough to start interfering at the 15, instead of at the point of conflict.
Be smarter. Find smarter players.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Our top rated RZ offense took it on the chin that's for sure.

Yep
We were up 6-0 when it should have been 20-0
Or at least 17
We also set futility records yesterday as far as "most time of possession" not equating to victory, etc ...
I kept thinking early when we were dominating, that "this is exactly what the Jags did to us"
We had two weeks of coming back from double-digit deficits
Even those two weak teams put the points up early on us.
If we had, it probably would have been enough, even once TB started to play.
It was basically our previous two weeks in reverse, except we never even pushed TB into panic, due to our lack of finish.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Will be curious to see Dantzler’s grade
He is becoming very good. Blanket in coverage
E

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Irv Smith Jr. was PFF's highest-graded tight end in the league this week (92.6 grade). Still not 100 percent healthy, he caught all four of his targets for 63 yards and a touchdown and blocked well in the running game.

(Will Ragatz on Twitter)

Conklin and Irv were very good.....bye Rudy.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://thevikingage.com/2020/12/14/stefon-diggs-admits-minnesota-vikings/

Stephon is a bit of a head case imo

They lauded Diggs on Sunday night football

Great teammate great this great that

Just wait until things don't go so well. Then they'll get a better idea of what Diggs is like.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2021/

If we draft and sign our first rounder in 2021 (spotrac currently estimates #20 at a cost of $2.5 mil) with our current roster of players under contract in 2021 we'd be about $8 mil over the cap right now. That's without Harris, Wilson, Todd Davis, Rashod Hill, a backup QB, Bret Jones, Dakota Dozier, Hercules, Odenbingo, Jaleel Johnson, Chris Jones, Beebe and Tajae Sharpe to name just the ones that play a bit (or more) right now.

We need space so someone(s) gonna have to go. Here are the choices:

Cousins: Cap hit $31 mil, dead money $41 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Hunter: Cap hit $17.75, dead money $12 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Barr: Cap hit $15.5 mil, dead money $7.8 mil, could save $7.7 mil. He probably stays because we're losing Wilson and Davis. Fire Spielman

Rieff: Cap hit $14 mil, dead money $2.2 mil, could save $11.8 mil. He probably goes for the money which is a shame he's had a great year. Ezra will probably be decent at LT

Thielen: Cap hit $13.5 mil, dead money $5.4 mil. He ain't going anywhere. This is a great value contract

Kendricks: Cap hit $12.5 mil, dead money $9.9 mil. Almost no savings and he's probably the best player on the team

H. Smith: Cap hit $10.25 mil, dead money $0. Uh oh.

Rudy: Cap hit $9.5 mil, dead money $4.4 mil. Fire Spielman

Pierce: Cap hit $5.4 mil, dead money $3.0 mil. Good contract. Hopefully he's as good as many think and would have given us more wins in the 1-5 start.

Dalvin: Cap hit $5.2 mil, dead money $22.2 mil. Our grandkids' grandkids might not live to see the end of this contract. Stay healthy my man!

Shamar Stephen: Cap hit $5.1 mil, dead money $1.3 mil. Consistently above-average, solid depth, keep him

Bailey: Cap hit $3.8 mil, dead money $2.1 mil. Lord have mercy.

Bradbury: Cap hit $3.5 mil, dead money $7.6 mil. He's bought and paid for so I guess he's our center. I thought he improved throughout the season. Would have been an excellent 3rd-round pick

Everyone else has such a small cap hit that it doesn't merit discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2021/

If we draft and sign our first rounder in 2021 (spotrac currently estimates #20 at a cost of $2.5 mil) with our current roster of players under contract in 2021 we'd be about $8 mil over the cap right now. That's without Harris, Wilson, Todd Davis, Rashod Hill, a backup QB, Bret Jones, Dakota Dozier, Hercules, Odenbingo, Jaleel Johnson, Chris Jones, Beebe and Tajae Sharpe to name just the ones that play a bit (or more) right now.

We need space so someone(s) gonna have to go. Here are the choices:

Cousins: Cap hit $31 mil, dead money $41 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Hunter: Cap hit $17.75, dead money $12 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Barr: Cap hit $15.5 mil, dead money $7.8 mil, could save $7.7 mil. He probably stays because we're losing Wilson and Davis. Fire Spielman

Rieff: Cap hit $14 mil, dead money $2.2 mil, could save $11.8 mil. He probably goes for the money which is a shame he's had a great year. Ezra will probably be decent at LT

Thielen: Cap hit $13.5 mil, dead money $5.4 mil. He ain't going anywhere. This is a great value contract

Kendricks: Cap hit $12.5 mil, dead money $9.9 mil. Almost no savings and he's probably the best player on the team

H. Smith: Cap hit $10.25 mil, dead money $0. Uh oh.

Rudy: Cap hit $9.5 mil, dead money $4.4 mil. Fire Spielman

Pierce: Cap hit $5.4 mil, dead money $3.0 mil. Good contract. Hopefully he's as good as many think and would have given us more wins in the 1-5 start.

Dalvin: Cap hit $5.2 mil, dead money $22.2 mil. Our grandkids' grandkids might not live to see the end of this contract. Stay healthy my man!

Shamar Stephen: Cap hit $5.1 mil, dead money $1.3 mil. Consistently above-average, solid depth, keep him

Bailey: Cap hit $3.8 mil, dead money $2.1 mil. Lord have mercy.

Bradbury: Cap hit $3.5 mil, dead money $7.6 mil. He's bought and paid for so I guess he's our center. I thought he improved throughout the season. Would have been an excellent 3rd-round pick

Everyone else has such a small cap hit that it doesn't merit discussion.

Bolded are gone.

Restructure Thielen and Harry

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2021/

If we draft and sign our first rounder in 2021 (spotrac currently estimates #20 at a cost of $2.5 mil) with our current roster of players under contract in 2021 we'd be about $8 mil over the cap right now. That's without Harris, Wilson, Todd Davis, Rashod Hill, a backup QB, Bret Jones, Dakota Dozier, Hercules, Odenbingo, Jaleel Johnson, Chris Jones, Beebe and Tajae Sharpe to name just the ones that play a bit (or more) right now.

We need space so someone(s) gonna have to go. Here are the choices:

Cousins: Cap hit $31 mil, dead money $41 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Hunter: Cap hit $17.75, dead money $12 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Barr: Cap hit $15.5 mil, dead money $7.8 mil, could save $7.7 mil. He probably stays because we're losing Wilson and Davis. Fire Spielman

Rieff: Cap hit $14 mil, dead money $2.2 mil, could save $11.8 mil. He probably goes for the money which is a shame he's had a great year. Ezra will probably be decent at LT

Thielen: Cap hit $13.5 mil, dead money $5.4 mil. He ain't going anywhere. This is a great value contract

Kendricks: Cap hit $12.5 mil, dead money $9.9 mil. Almost no savings and he's probably the best player on the team

H. Smith: Cap hit $10.25 mil, dead money $0. Uh oh.

Rudy: Cap hit $9.5 mil, dead money $4.4 mil. Fire Spielman

Pierce: Cap hit $5.4 mil, dead money $3.0 mil. Good contract. Hopefully he's as good as many think and would have given us more wins in the 1-5 start.

Dalvin: Cap hit $5.2 mil, dead money $22.2 mil. Our grandkids' grandkids might not live to see the end of this contract. Stay healthy my man!

Shamar Stephen: Cap hit $5.1 mil, dead money $1.3 mil. Consistently above-average, solid depth, keep him

Bailey: Cap hit $3.8 mil, dead money $2.1 mil. Lord have mercy.

Bradbury: Cap hit $3.5 mil, dead money $7.6 mil. He's bought and paid for so I guess he's our center. I thought he improved throughout the season. Would have been an excellent 3rd-round pick

Everyone else has such a small cap hit that it doesn't merit discussion.

Bolded are gone.

Restructure Thielen and Harry

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2021/

If we draft and sign our first rounder in 2021 (spotrac currently estimates #20 at a cost of $2.5 mil) with our current roster of players under contract in 2021 we'd be about $8 mil over the cap right now. That's without Harris, Wilson, Todd Davis, Rashod Hill, a backup QB, Bret Jones, Dakota Dozier, Hercules, Odenbingo, Jaleel Johnson, Chris Jones, Beebe and Tajae Sharpe to name just the ones that play a bit (or more) right now.

We need space so someone(s) gonna have to go. Here are the choices:

Cousins: Cap hit $31 mil, dead money $41 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Hunter: Cap hit $17.75, dead money $12 mil, he ain't going anywhere

Barr: Cap hit $15.5 mil, dead money $7.8 mil, could save $7.7 mil. He probably stays because we're losing Wilson and Davis. Fire Spielman

Rieff: Cap hit $14 mil, dead money $2.2 mil, could save $11.8 mil. He probably goes for the money which is a shame he's had a great year. Ezra will probably be decent at LT

Thielen: Cap hit $13.5 mil, dead money $5.4 mil. He ain't going anywhere. This is a great value contract

Kendricks: Cap hit $12.5 mil, dead money $9.9 mil. Almost no savings and he's probably the best player on the team

H. Smith: Cap hit $10.25 mil, dead money $0. Uh oh.

Rudy: Cap hit $9.5 mil, dead money $4.4 mil. Fire Spielman

Pierce: Cap hit $5.4 mil, dead money $3.0 mil. Good contract. Hopefully he's as good as many think and would have given us more wins in the 1-5 start.

Dalvin: Cap hit $5.2 mil, dead money $22.2 mil. Our grandkids' grandkids might not live to see the end of this contract. Stay healthy my man!

Shamar Stephen: Cap hit $5.1 mil, dead money $1.3 mil. Consistently above-average, solid depth, keep him

Bailey: Cap hit $3.8 mil, dead money $2.1 mil. Lord have mercy.

Bradbury: Cap hit $3.5 mil, dead money $7.6 mil. He's bought and paid for so I guess he's our center. I thought he improved throughout the season. Would have been an excellent 3rd-round pick

Everyone else has such a small cap hit that it doesn't merit discussion.

Bolded are gone.

Restructure Thielen and Harry

Thielen already has 4 remaining years on his deal. He's signed though 2024. There's no room to restructure.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Irv Smith Jr. was PFF's highest-graded tight end in the league this week (92.6 grade). Still not 100 percent healthy, he caught all four of his targets for 63 yards and a touchdown and blocked well in the running game.

(Will Ragatz on Twitter)

Conklin and Irv were very good.....bye Rudy.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Isn't it a given the cap is going to take a huge hit next season because of the lack of fans this year?

The owners are not going to just bend over and eat that loss.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Isn't it a given the cap is going to take a huge hit next season because of the lack of fans this year?

The owners are not going to just bend over and eat that loss.

I read one report that says it will be 195M and be stagnant for a few years. I think David F is using a 180M for the cap next year?

Even considering the playoff push (however slim it looks), I get some youngsters some PT down the stretch to see what we've got. Watts at 3T (looks like most his PT has been at NT). Udoh at RG. Gotta have a better idea of what we have in the trenches. I think Wilson will cost too much and Barr's cap hit is too high for a change there, I put LB lower on the list. I gotta think a guy like Reiff has some trade value. The other big question mark is corner (crazy with all the draft capital we've spent). I don't think Hughes is back, are we seeing enough from Boyd, Hand to be ok. I like Gladney and Dantzler quite a bit, who is our other starting outside CB?. Assuming a line of Ezra, G, Bradbury, Udoh, ONeill. Assuming Harris is not resigned.

LG - need a step in ready guy.
S - need a step in ready guy.
Developmental QB
DE - Is wonnum good enough to move into a starting spot?
CB - Hand/Boyd?
WR3 - Bisi and Beebe just aren't good enough in the modern world.
Development S - Smith replacement.
3T - Watts and a rotation enough?

That's my way too early list. 2 immediate starters have to come from that draft and we better get some great continued development (ie guys like hinton and Samia for line depth) for us to improve next year.