Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports

Forums  Register  Login  My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums 

Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ  Ticket List  Log Out

RE: General Vikes Talk

  		Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk Page: <<   < prev  234 235 [236] 237 238   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 3:11:58 PM   
Nate

 

Posts: 2295
Joined: 9/10/2009
From: A Galaxy Far Far Away...
Status: offline 		Ugh, that Saints game was utterly disgusting. We couldn't stop the run or the pass and looked equally inept defending either. The good news is that for whatever reason, the Saints had Taysom score on a wildcat rather than use Kamara again. Kamara should have had 7 TDs. I'd love to have the Vikings own some positive records for a change. The offense had some life but playcalling and execution will eventually stall us out on some series, and we had to score TDs every drive to stay in it.

I hope the Wilf's can look past the pandemic to see we're not going anywhere with this staff. I try to stay patient, it's hard to be a coach, and it takes time to build a team and a philosophy. There have been some coaches that I was ready to bail on early (see Chilly) as they really taxed my enthusiasm for watching games. Inevitably, ownership comes to a realization that a change is needed and moves on. I think that time is now. Zim/Spiels have had their time, had some decent years, but the Wilf's have to blow this up after the year is out. We're going nowhere, and between the bad contracts and the lack of talent in the positions needed to succeed in today's game, we're screwed for a few years unless someone can pull a rabbit out of the hat, and that's not going to happen with our current FO. We're likely to have another down year or two, living on young draft picks while bad contracts eventually expire. We might as well put in place a management team that can build it right while our expectations are lower.
Post #: 5876
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 4:48:06 PM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28600
Status: offline 		So with the stats showing if a HC is going to win a SB with a team it will almost assuredly be in the first 5 years, do you blow the first two years in transition? Might need to considering RS could pull more crap like maxing out the cap, drafting a record number of players, trading a 2nd for a player who plays just FIVE games, etc.

If he thinks a couple of high picks or big contracts may get a win or two, he will do it. He could totally mortgage the future for more than a couple of years. He is unchecked, unhinged, and he needs to be fired.
Post #: 5877
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 4:56:35 PM   
Bill Johanesen


Posts: 28600
Status: offline 		2015:
1 Trae Waynes 11
2 Eric Kendricks 45
3 Danielle Hunter 88
4 T.J. Clemmings 110
5 MyCole Pruitt 143
5 Stefon Diggs 146
6 Tyrus Thompson 185
6 B.J. Dubose 193
7 Austin Shepherd 228
7 Edmond Robinson 232

2016:
#23. Laquon Treadwell. WR, Ole Miss. ...
#54. Mackensie Alexander. CB, Clemson. ...
#121. Willie Beavers. G, Western Michigan. ...
#160. Kentrell Brothers. LB, Missouri. ...
#180. Moritz Boehringer. WR, Schwäbisch Hall Unicorns, Deutschland. ...
#188. David Morgan II. TE, UT San Antonio. ...
#227. Stephen Weatherly. ...
#244. Jayron Kearse.

2017:
Dalvin Cook
Round 3, No. 70: Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State. ...
Round 4, No. 109: Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa. ...
Round 4, No. 120: Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan. ...
Round 5, No. 170: Rodney Adams, WR, South Florida. ...
Round 5, No. 180: Danny Isidora, OG, Miami. ...
Round 7, No. 219: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami. ...
Round 7, Pick 2 (No. 220) Ifeadi Odenigbo, DL, Northwestern
Round 7, Pick 2 (No. 232) Elijah Lee, LB, Kansas State
Round 7, Pick 27 (No. 245) Jack Tocho, CB, N.C. State

2018:
Mike Hughes, CB, Central Florida - Selected with pick #30
Brian O’Neill, OT, Pittsburgh - Selected with pick #62
Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio State - Selected with pick #102
Tyler Conklin, TE, Central Michigan - Selected with pick #157
Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn - Selected with pick #167
Colby Gossett, G, Appalachian State - Selected with pick #213
Ade Aruna, DE, Tulane - Selected with pick #218
Devante Downs, LB, California-Berkeley - Selected with pick #225

2019:
Many didn't make the team,and those on the team now will likely be out of football in two more years.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 12/27/2020 5:01:21 PM >
Post #: 5878
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 5:51:19 PM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

Posts: 14000
Status: offline 		2020

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 22 22 Justin Jefferson Wide receiver Louisiana State
1 31 31 Jeff Gladney Cornerback Texas Christian
2 26 58 Ezra Cleveland Offensive tackle Boise State
3 25 89 Cameron Dantzler Cornerback Mississippi State
4 11 117 D. J. Wonnum Defensive end South Carolina

————————————————————————————————————talent cliff—————-

4 24 130 James Lynch Defensive tackle Baylor
4 26 132 Troy Dye Linebacker Oregon
5 24 169 Harrison Hand Cornerback Temple
5 31 176 K. J. Osborn Wide Receiver Miami (FL)
6 24 203 Blake Brandel Offensive tackle Oregon State
6 26 205 Josh Metellus Safety Michigan
7 11 225 Kenny Willekes Defensive end Michigan State
7 30 244 Nate Stanley Quarterback Iowa
7 35 249 Brian Cole II Safety Mississippi State
7 39 253 Kyle Hinton Guard Washburn

2021 get a fn QB...

< Message edited by Daniel Lee Young -- 12/27/2020 5:54:08 PM >

_____________________________

**** you all.
Post #: 5879
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 6:06:29 PM   
David Levine


Posts: 77938
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Las Vegas
Status: online 		Jerry Juedy with 5 drops today.

Thank goodness Denver didn’t draft Jefferson.
Post #: 5880
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 6:09:11 PM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline 		Players that scored a TD today: Brandon Zylstra, Laquan Treadwell, Taylor Heinke. Mycole Pruit will get a chance tonight. I know it means nothing, just weird is all.

EDIT - omg I forgot Teddy Bridgewater

< Message edited by David F. -- 12/27/2020 6:13:14 PM >

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 5881
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 7:24:52 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

Posts: 16353
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline 		Sorry to be negative, but the extremes are interesting to me- good and bad.

The #Vikings have the worst pass rush grade in the league, per #PFF. They've averaged nearly 10 fewer pressures per game this year compared to last.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

_____________________________

We live in a world where we depend upon each other. In other words, we need each other just as God needs us and we need Him. How wonderful it would be if we could unite and live in harmony. Wouldn't it be better that way?
Post #: 5882
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 7:42:27 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

Posts: 16353
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline 		The Vikings defense has allowed 17 scoring drives in their last 10 quarters.

(Krauser on Twitter)

_____________________________

We live in a world where we depend upon each other. In other words, we need each other just as God needs us and we need Him. How wonderful it would be if we could unite and live in harmony. Wouldn't it be better that way?
Post #: 5883
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 7:46:27 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

Posts: 16353
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline 		Cousins’ 3 INTs in 9 games since the bye week
1. Through Thielen’s hands to Mack
2. Dalvin doesn’t look for the checkdown, pick 6 by Schobert
3. Hail Mary vs Bears

On the other hand, he’s lost 4 fumbles.

(Krauser)

I'm thinking that the fumbles are at least partially a result of a lack of protection from his line. The other thing is that he has to pass more than preferred because the defense is such a sieve. Opposing defensive linemen must be teeing off on him.

_____________________________

We live in a world where we depend upon each other. In other words, we need each other just as God needs us and we need Him. How wonderful it would be if we could unite and live in harmony. Wouldn't it be better that way?
Post #: 5884
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/27/2020 8:11:53 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

Posts: 16353
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline 		Minnesota Vikings fans, the team currently holds the #13 pick in the 2021 NFL Draft. The highest they can pick is #10 if they lose to Detroit and the lowest is #15 if the beat Detroit. The better odds is #11(loss) and #14(win).

(JJDemaray on Twitter)

_____________________________

We live in a world where we depend upon each other. In other words, we need each other just as God needs us and we need Him. How wonderful it would be if we could unite and live in harmony. Wouldn't it be better that way?
Post #: 5885
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:09:33 AM   
Trekgeekscott


Posts: 39278
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: United Federation of Planets
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The Vikings defense has allowed 17 scoring drives in their last 10 quarters.

(Krauser on Twitter)



I think they've only forced one punt in that timeframe.

_____________________________

“There is no hate like Christian love.”
Post #: 5886
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:11:12 AM   
Trekgeekscott


Posts: 39278
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: United Federation of Planets
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Players that scored a TD today: Brandon Zylstra, Laquan Treadwell, Taylor Heinke. Mycole Pruit will get a chance tonight. I know it means nothing, just weird is all.

EDIT - omg I forgot Teddy Bridgewater


Irv Smith scored 2 TDs. Dalvin Cook got one and Michael Boone and Adam Theilen.

We still lost.

_____________________________

“There is no hate like Christian love.”
Post #: 5887
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:11:52 AM   
Trekgeekscott


Posts: 39278
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: United Federation of Planets
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Jerry Juedy with 5 drops today.

Thank goodness Denver didn’t draft Jefferson.



First skill you should verify before drafting a WR...Can he catch the ****ing ball?

_____________________________

“There is no hate like Christian love.”
Post #: 5888
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:14:39 AM   
Trekgeekscott


Posts: 39278
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: United Federation of Planets
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So with the stats showing if a HC is going to win a SB with a team it will almost assuredly be in the first 5 years, do you blow the first two years in transition? Might need to considering RS could pull more crap like maxing out the cap, drafting a record number of players, trading a 2nd for a player who plays just FIVE games, etc.

If he thinks a couple of high picks or big contracts may get a win or two, he will do it. He could totally mortgage the future for more than a couple of years. He is unchecked, unhinged, and he needs to be fired.



I kind of wish RS would reverse his normal strategy for the draft and trade all his lower round picks to move up in the first few rounds. and draft good players with those few picks.

_____________________________

“There is no hate like Christian love.”
Post #: 5889
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:17:25 AM   
Trekgeekscott


Posts: 39278
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: United Federation of Planets
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Watching teams like the Chiefs operate versus watching us is like watching 2 different games. They just ran a trick play that would have had 5-7 of our guys jumping offside if we were on D and the same # illegal down field if we tried it on offense.



This makes me think of another problem I have with Cousins.

Watch Aaron Rodgers, when a guy jumps offside he immediately goes to his deep receiver for the big play. It's a free play for crissakes. With Cousins he's so averse to taking a risk that he can't realize that it is a riskless play to take a shot when the D jumps.

_____________________________

“There is no hate like Christian love.”
Post #: 5890
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:25:04 AM   
bstinger


Posts: 16530
Joined: 7/20/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So with the stats showing if a HC is going to win a SB with a team it will almost assuredly be in the first 5 years, do you blow the first two years in transition? Might need to considering RS could pull more crap like maxing out the cap, drafting a record number of players, trading a 2nd for a player who plays just FIVE games, etc.

If he thinks a couple of high picks or big contracts may get a win or two, he will do it. He could totally mortgage the future for more than a couple of years. He is unchecked, unhinged, and he needs to be fired.



I kind of wish RS would reverse his normal strategy for the draft and trade all his lower round picks to move up in the first few rounds. and draft good players with those few picks.

I've been saying that for years. Give me quality over qty.

_____________________________

"You guys are true athletes!"

--twinsfan
Post #: 5891
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:50:30 AM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline 		Anybody watch the SNF game last night? Granted the Lameblow home cooking was as severe as ever, that being said I don't think the Packers needed it. They destroyed a really good Titans team. Take a piece of advice from me and mentally prepare yourself for Green Bay being in the Super Bowl this year. How did they manage this you might ask. I know I've been trying to figure it out. We all laughed after their terrible draft. Turns out they didn't need anyone to contribute this year at all. They did pick up a few key defensive players over the last couple of seasons. What was the major thing they changed? They dumped a shitty coach that GASP! had a great win/loss record. Hell this one even won a Super Bowl - granted he fell back-assward into it.

Anyway, the only positive I can come away with is to be grateful they didn't move on from McCarthy earlier. They might have four Super Bowl titles in the Rodgers era instead of the one which has a really good chance of becoming two really soon. I hope some day we put it all together. In the meantime it's gonna sting watching the packers hit their peak. Zimmer has no chance of unseating them as NFC North champs anytime in the next three years. Instead he can yell and be a tough guy and try to wrestle second place from the shitty-ass bears.

This is such a low point in my Vikings fandom. Ugh.

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 5892
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 10:55:40 AM   
Jeff Jesser


Posts: 19458
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: Southern Cal
Status: online 		I'm surprised you got that post off with a Puke left takle holding you the entire time. All 4 refs threw a flag but got together and talked about it. You deserved to get held because you didn't type that post in GB. "After further review, there was no foul on that post. 1st and 10 GB and we award them 10 extra points".

P.S. ~~ they didn't even have the keyboard. You did.
Post #: 5893
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 11:08:48 AM   
SoMnFan


Posts: 94902
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Anybody watch the SNF game last night? Granted the Lameblow home cooking was as severe as ever, that being said I don't think the Packers needed it. They destroyed a really good Titans team. Take a piece of advice from me and mentally prepare yourself for Green Bay being in the Super Bowl this year. How did they manage this you might ask. I know I've been trying to figure it out. We all laughed after their terrible draft. Turns out they didn't need anyone to contribute this year at all. They did pick up a few key defensive players over the last couple of seasons. What was the major thing they changed? They dumped a shitty coach that GASP! had a great win/loss record. Hell this one even won a Super Bowl - granted he fell back-assward into it.

Anyway, the only positive I can come away with is to be grateful they didn't move on from McCarthy earlier. They might have four Super Bowl titles in the Rodgers era instead of the one which has a really good chance of becoming two really soon. I hope some day we put it all together. In the meantime it's gonna sting watching the packers hit their peak. Zimmer has no chance of unseating them as NFC North champs anytime in the next three years. Instead he can yell and be a tough guy and try to wrestle second place from the shitty-ass bears.

This is such a low point in my Vikings fandom. Ugh.

Been preaching/worried/bitching about this all year
They are ascending, as we head into the abyss
Only thing worse than seeing our boys on the bottom is seeing those jackwagons on the top.
Its painful.

_____________________________

Work like a Captain.
Play like a Pirate.
Post #: 5894
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 11:30:36 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline 		The problem is the ownership. They'll spend money, but not well. The extensions going into this year were unjustified. They can shitcan Spielman and Zimmer without real consequence, but Cousins' contract is either cut him and take a $30-some million hit this coming year or keep him and have his 2022 salary of $45 million guaranteed in the first few days of the league year.

The soft rebuild they tried to do didn't work, and won't going forward without miracles. The actual rebuild is happening around an aging $33-45 million dollar QB who is good, but not elite.

Whoops.

Fire the Wilfs, please. Sell the team...you blew your shot.
Post #: 5895
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 11:34:10 AM   
Pager


Posts: 10500
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Watching teams like the Chiefs operate versus watching us is like watching 2 different games. They just ran a trick play that would have had 5-7 of our guys jumping offside if we were on D and the same # illegal down field if we tried it on offense.



This makes me think of another problem I have with Cousins.

Watch Aaron Rodgers, when a guy jumps offside he immediately goes to his deep receiver for the big play. It's a free play for crissakes. With Cousins he's so averse to taking a risk that he can't realize that it is a riskless play to take a shot when the D jumps.


Most of the time we have a run play called. Also I'd put it more on the coaching - GB is well coached to adjust routes and go deep.

Similar to our 2nd and short. We run more than any other team. Would love some shots in those situations.

It is an interesting question, how much autonomy does Cousins have to change plays? Is it a run/pass kill situation or can he call audibles?

_____________________________

Left picking up the pieces.
Post #: 5896
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 11:41:33 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Watching teams like the Chiefs operate versus watching us is like watching 2 different games. They just ran a trick play that would have had 5-7 of our guys jumping offside if we were on D and the same # illegal down field if we tried it on offense.



This makes me think of another problem I have with Cousins.

Watch Aaron Rodgers, when a guy jumps offside he immediately goes to his deep receiver for the big play. It's a free play for crissakes. With Cousins he's so averse to taking a risk that he can't realize that it is a riskless play to take a shot when the D jumps.


Most of the time we have a run play called. Also I'd put it more on the coaching - GB is well coached to adjust routes and go deep.

Similar to our 2nd and short. We run more than any other team. Would love some shots in those situations.

It is an interesting question, how much autonomy does Cousins have to change plays? Is it a run/pass kill situation or can he call audibles?

I've wondered this same thing quite a bit. On the second 4th-and-1 last week, Theilen had an easy quick out for a first down because his guy was playing off him. Was that even an option? Given the control freak nature of this staff's philosophy, it seems doubtful; given Cousins' robotic approach to reads, it could be he just doesn't do it.
Post #: 5897
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 11:49:26 AM   
David F.


Posts: 10864
Joined: 12/31/2007
Status: offline 		Daniele Hunter will give us some pass-rush back and he's pretty good against the run as well. Michael Pierce is mostly an unknown. Assuming Pierce ends up being above average (sorry folks who in making excuses for the coaching staff have deemed him a sure fire first ballot HOFer - above average is what we can best hope for) getting the two of them back next season might help us get two more wins. If we miracle into competent guards (we need 2!) that could also help us win about two extra games. 10-6 won't beat the packers for the NFC North. We'll have Barr and Kendricks at linebacker and that's going to have to be enough. We're going to need to have luck with replacing Harris and we're going to have to hope Hughes is decent at CB. Dantzler needs to be promoted to CB1 and Gladney needs to be coached up to at least average. Cleveland, magical competent G, Bradbury, magical competent G, and O'Neil can't have any injuries. Our offensive skill positions will be our greatest strength. Coaching will need to realize that and not start running out the clock in the third quarter when we're already down by six. Our roster dictates that we'll need to engage in shootouts. I won't hold my breath.

_____________________________

I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!
Post #: 5898
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 11:57:51 AM   
bohumm

 

Posts: 5705
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: Altadena, CA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Daniele Hunter will give us some pass-rush back and he's pretty good against the run as well. Michael Pierce is mostly an unknown. Assuming Pierce ends up being above average (sorry folks who in making excuses for the coaching staff have deemed him a sure fire first ballot HOFer - above average is what we can best hope for) getting the two of them back next season might help us get two more wins. If we miracle into competent guards (we need 2!) that could also help us win about two extra games. 10-6 won't beat the packers for the NFC North. We'll have Barr and Kendricks at linebacker and that's going to have to be enough. We're going to need to have luck with replacing Harris and we're going to have to hope Hughes is decent at CB. Dantzler needs to be promoted to CB1 and Gladney needs to be coached up to at least average. Cleveland, magical competent G, Bradbury, magical competent G, and O'Neil can't have any injuries. Our offensive skill positions will be our greatest strength. Coaching will need to realize that and not start running out the clock in the third quarter when we're already down by six. Our roster dictates that we'll need to engage in shootouts. I won't hold my breath.

This who the Vikings will be with this regime in charge. Conservative with hit/miss drafting that mostly misses while continually trading out of spots to take better players.

If the Wilfs don't fire Spielman and Zimmer after years of inconsistent, low-ceiling performance, this is unlikely to ever change.
Post #: 5899
RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/28/2020 12:13:08 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

Posts: 16353
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline 		Alexander Hollins has been sniped by the Cleveland Browns off our practice squad. I wish him well.

_____________________________

We live in a world where we depend upon each other. In other words, we need each other just as God needs us and we need Him. How wonderful it would be if we could unite and live in harmony. Wouldn't it be better that way?
Post #: 5900
Page:   <<   < prev  234 235 [236] 237 238   next >   >>
All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk Page: <<   < prev  234 235 [236] 237 238   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode