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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/24/2020 7:46:29 AM   
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Easier to draft WR, DE, RB, and OG/C later in the draft.....Good OT, DT, CB, and LB have to be drafted early.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/24/2020 8:46:47 PM   
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The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 7:16:29 AM   
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The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 9:46:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 10:33:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


Flat out a bad use of money on a cap strapped team.
Now if Zim used Barr in an attacking role I think he'd be way more effective. But that still doesn't help are DT situation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 2:36:07 PM   
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Stefon Diggs is very much a part of the Minnesota Vikings' plans for the 2020 season.
In the wake of recent trade rumors and speculation over the wide receiver's future, Vikings general manager Rick Spielman dispelled the notion that the team is attempting to move on from Diggs.
"He's not only a major part of our offense and a major part of our organization winning games, but he also does a lot of things for this organization off the field," Spielman said Tuesday at the NFL scouting combine.
"There's no reason -- the rumors or whatever you're talking about -- to anticipate that Stefon Diggs is not going to be a Minnesota Viking. When you have some of the offensive talent that we have, with him and [Adam] Thielen together, with Rudy [Kyle Rudolph] and Irv Smith, with Dalvin Cook and [Alexander] Mattison, we have a pretty good support cast around our quarterback."

The trade rumors date back to the first month of the 2019 season, when Diggs was fined $200,000 for unexcused absences from practices and team meetings in the wake of a Week 5 loss at Chicago.
At the time, Diggs said he hadn't "communicated anything" about a trade request, but that there was "truth to all rumors" amid the assumption that he was unhappy with the state of the offense, which had shifted toward a run-first approach, and his role within it.
Recently, a handful of cryptic tweets and removed posts from Diggs' Instagram account sparked further speculation that the wideout wants out of Minnesota.
Asked whether Diggs has expressed a desire to remain in Minnesota or be traded, Spielman said he had not spoken with the receiver's representation. The Vikings will meet with the majority of the agents who represent their players throughout the NFL combine, which is expected to include Diggs' agents Adisa Bakari and Jeff Whitney or The Sports and Entertainment Group, LLC.

The general manager noted Tuesday that Diggs' involvement in the offense was a direct correlation to the success the Vikings had last season. The 26-year-old receiver notched a career year in 2019, hauling in 63 receptions for 1,130 yards and six touchdowns.
Two years ago, Diggs signed a five-year extension that is set to keep him under contract in Minnesota through the 2023 season. Despite moments where the receiver appeared visibly frustrated on the sideline during games, Spielman rejected the notion that Diggs and others demanding the ball creates a predicament but is rather, "what makes them the great players that they are."
"I know how strongly our coaching staff feels about him and when you have the ability to pair him and Thielen together on the field and the tight ends that we have right now on the field and you have the running back committee that we have on the field, we have some pretty good supporting cast around Cousins," Spielman said. "Coming back, running the same system for the second year in a row, we don't want to take a step back and where we're at with these guys, we want to keep all these guys and move forward. You want these guys on your roster."


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 3:21:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 4:03:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.


I've always said I am an Anthony Barr fan, but you make a very good point here.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2020 4:52:36 PM   
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Everson Griffen voiding contract. He will be a free agent.

Someone will give him big money. We can't.


We still have Hunter. Please please please Vikings don't do a 'Vikings thing' and draft a DE in the first round. Please.


?? Griffen 4th or 5th Rounder, Hunter 3rd Rounder, Weatherly afte 5th round, etc. They haven't drafted a DE in the 1st round for a long time.....

And their defense has been good. What does that tell you?


That defense starts up front.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2020 2:42:34 PM   
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Mike Zimmer said today during his presser at the #NFL Scouting Combine that he expects DE Everson Griffen to re-sign with the #Vikings this offseason.

Nick Olson@NickOlsonNFL
I'm surprised by how many Vikings fans seem to think Riley Reiff is a problem. Overpaid? A little. Could you do better? Definitely.
But Reiff has always been solid each year in Minnesota. For a team that has dealt with Matt Kalil and TJ Clemmings, that's worth a lot.

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I would just take @NickOlsonNFL comments and substitute “Stefon Diggs” for a”Riley Reif.” To me, that situation is like a car sliding on ice, and I don’t know why? Why are so many @Vikings fans eager to see him go? Be careful what you wish for...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2020 7:25:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.

I think if you put Barr in a 3-4 he'd be really good. When Zim has him attacking he can be a real difference maker. Problem is he has him in a role where it's hard for him to be a playmaker.

Z Smith had a good year but he is being paid 16.5ml per vs Barr at 13.5ml

We've been talking about how Zim uses (or misuses) Barr on here for years

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2020 9:38:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.

I think if you put Barr in a 3-4 he'd be really good. When Zim has him attacking he can be a real difference maker. Problem is he has him in a role where it's hard for him to be a playmaker.

Z Smith had a good year but he is being paid 16.5ml per vs Barr at 13.5ml

We've been talking about how Zim uses (or misuses) Barr on here for years

Against the Saints, Barr was great without rushing the passer. Thomas and Kamara got very little YAC and yards in general and Barr was a big part of that.

But, like you said, he needs to be cut loose more often. Maybe Capers will help do that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/4/2020 7:35:07 PM   
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Some film that is complimentary of Diggs here:

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2019/11/12/matt-waldmans-rsp-nfl-lens-the-tight-quarters-virtuosity-of-vikings-wr-stefon-diggs/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/6/2020 8:35:38 AM   
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man, i could watch this kassulke hit all day....

https://twitter.com/VikeFans/status/1235915707138875393

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/6/2020 10:02:14 AM   
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man, i could watch this kassulke hit all day....

https://twitter.com/VikeFans/status/1235915707138875393


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/6/2020 5:47:30 PM   
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It's really slow here. I look at Twitter everyday, but right now it's mostly politics. Getting sick of that. The activity should spike again in about 12 days. I suppose that there are some talks between the Vikings and their own players. Reiff certainly should be one of them. Linval Joseph is another one. '

There's talk about how the Vikings are getting old quickly and that this is the last year of their "window for a championship". I wish they had made a move to clear Xavier Rhodes last year. Surely they will do so soon.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/6/2020 9:39:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.

I think if you put Barr in a 3-4 he'd be really good. When Zim has him attacking he can be a real difference maker. Problem is he has him in a role where it's hard for him to be a playmaker.

Z Smith had a good year but he is being paid 16.5ml per vs Barr at 13.5ml

We've been talking about how Zim uses (or misuses) Barr on here for years

Against the Saints, Barr was great without rushing the passer. Thomas and Kamara got very little YAC and yards in general and Barr was a big part of that.

But, like you said, he needs to be cut loose more often. Maybe Capers will help do that.


Every player has great games and great moments. Barr isn't crappy. He just doesn't live up to what the Vikings thought they had in him. That's not Barr's fault that's coaching/management's fault. I wish they'd make their roster/contract decisions more with the standpoint of 'could we get the same or better player/production for the same or less money' rather than 'let's pay this guy and hope he outperforms his past'.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/6/2020 10:15:07 PM   
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The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.

I think if you put Barr in a 3-4 he'd be really good. When Zim has him attacking he can be a real difference maker. Problem is he has him in a role where it's hard for him to be a playmaker.

Z Smith had a good year but he is being paid 16.5ml per vs Barr at 13.5ml

We've been talking about how Zim uses (or misuses) Barr on here for years

Against the Saints, Barr was great without rushing the passer. Thomas and Kamara got very little YAC and yards in general and Barr was a big part of that.

But, like you said, he needs to be cut loose more often. Maybe Capers will help do that.


Every player has great games and great moments. Barr isn't crappy. He just doesn't live up to what the Vikings thought they had in him. That's not Barr's fault that's coaching/management's fault. I wish they'd make their roster/contract decisions more with the standpoint of 'could we get the same or better player/production for the same or less money' rather than 'let's pay this guy and hope he outperforms his past'.


Disjointed roster construction. Individual talent rather than a cohesive unit. We're still playing checkers.

Pay Cousins, give him a shitty OLine and just 2 WR's? Drafting backup RB's in the 3rd round?

Shouldn't Barr be great every game? Or at least most of them?

Hey, remember when Treadwell had a good game? No joke, some said he did, and justified his existence in the NFL.

Perhaps my expectations are too high. We have a very experienced GM and HC. They should be better at what they do by now, in my opinion.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/6/2020 10:47:04 PM   
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The Vikes should keep Griff, Hunter and Kendricks from the defense. From the offense, Cook, Theilen, Diggs and O'Nellie.

Keep the blue chippers.

I wonder if the Vikes would have been better off letting Barr go last offseason, and keeping Richardson, getting more out of the interior.

Barr isn't worth what we're paying him in his current role. Wilson could float around in Barr's role and we wouldn't notice a difference.

Keeping Richardson would have been a more effective use of that cap space.


The way Barr was on his way to the Jets only to come back in dramatic fashion at the last minute was strange. He most definitely hasn't lived up to his contract and I think it was reasonable to guess that he wouldn't. Imagine Kendricks, Wilson, and a mid-tier free agent or rookie playing LB and then we'd have the balance of Barr's contract to pursue one of the elite level DTs that are available this offseason.


At the time I was hoping they would look at Zadarius Smith... formerly of the Ravens, who have a track record of good lbers.

I didn't know he'd go to the Packers of course... but that would have been a way better move than retaining Barr and it would have coincidentally hurt GB.

Of course, he could have chose GB or MN but I think he far outplayed Barr this year.

Similar money if I remember... probably too much for either guy as lbers in Zimmers scheme don't seem to be difference makers.

I think if you put Barr in a 3-4 he'd be really good. When Zim has him attacking he can be a real difference maker. Problem is he has him in a role where it's hard for him to be a playmaker.

Z Smith had a good year but he is being paid 16.5ml per vs Barr at 13.5ml

We've been talking about how Zim uses (or misuses) Barr on here for years

Against the Saints, Barr was great without rushing the passer. Thomas and Kamara got very little YAC and yards in general and Barr was a big part of that.

But, like you said, he needs to be cut loose more often. Maybe Capers will help do that.


Every player has great games and great moments. Barr isn't crappy. He just doesn't live up to what the Vikings thought they had in him. That's not Barr's fault that's coaching/management's fault. I wish they'd make their roster/contract decisions more with the standpoint of 'could we get the same or better player/production for the same or less money' rather than 'let's pay this guy and hope he outperforms his past'.


Disjointed roster construction. Individual talent rather than a cohesive unit. We're still playing checkers.

Pay Cousins, give him a shitty OLine and just 2 WR's? Drafting backup RB's in the 3rd round?

Shouldn't Barr be great every game? Or at least most of them?

Hey, remember when Treadwell had a good game? No joke, some said he did, and justified his existence in the NFL.

Perhaps my expectations are too high. We have a very experienced GM and HC. They should be better at what they do by now, in my opinion.


There's more than a few players that should be great more often than they are. One or two great games a season should be looked at as a negative - not a positive - and definitely not something to celebrate, high five, and pat ourselves on the back for.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/7/2020 2:51:32 AM   
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It's really slow here. I look at Twitter everyday, but right now it's mostly politics. Getting sick of that. The activity should spike again in about 12 days. I suppose that there are some talks between the Vikings and their own players. Reiff certainly should be one of them. Linval Joseph is another one. '

There's talk about how the Vikings are getting old quickly and that this is the last year of their "window for a championship". I wish they had made a move to clear Xavier Rhodes last year. Surely they will do so soon.



i think that joseph's days in the nfl are pretty much over - at least his high-level playing days...joseph and stephens were the worst tandem against the run last year...joseph is old, has an awkward body type and is injury prone...zimmer talks up stephens, but from my pov he was a huge underperformer last season - i'd let both go and sign and draft our way into next season's middle d-line - our younger players showed some promise as depth, but our starters were shot....

remember how quickly pat williams faded?...one year we were the 'williams wall' and the next pat was the worst player on the line - that's joseph today....

don't restructure players that won't be part of your super bowl run - that's why i say don't restructure cousins - at least until he shows us he can be the man behind a solid offensive line...maybe next year...if there's a qb that we really like at one of our draft spots this year i hope we take him....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/7/2020 5:03:09 AM   
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It's really slow here. I look at Twitter everyday, but right now it's mostly politics. Getting sick of that. The activity should spike again in about 12 days. I suppose that there are some talks between the Vikings and their own players. Reiff certainly should be one of them. Linval Joseph is another one. '

There's talk about how the Vikings are getting old quickly and that this is the last year of their "window for a championship". I wish they had made a move to clear Xavier Rhodes last year. Surely they will do so soon.



i think that joseph's days in the nfl are pretty much over - at least his high-level playing days...joseph and stephens were the worst tandem against the run last year...joseph is old, has an awkward body type and is injury prone...zimmer talks up stephens, but from my pov he was a huge underperformer last season - i'd let both go and sign and draft our way into next season's middle d-line - our younger players showed some promise as depth, but our starters were shot....

remember how quickly pat williams faded?...one year we were the 'williams wall' and the next pat was the worst player on the line - that's joseph today....

don't restructure players that won't be part of your super bowl run - that's why i say don't restructure cousins - at least until he shows us he can be the man behind a solid offensive line...maybe next year...if there's a qb that we really like at one of our draft spots this year i hope we take him....


If Rhodes or Joseph are still on the roster this year then I will have officially lost all confidence in Spielman. I'd include Zimmer except that I think his brilliant gameplan vs the Saints in the wildcard round bought him enough cred to be off my shitlist for a while.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/7/2020 7:40:45 AM   
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Our defense got old real fast.

Barr is what he is at this point and giving him a big long term contract is already biting us in the ass. We back loaded his deal too.

Now we can't afford a cold stale ham sandwich from Kwik trip.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/7/2020 7:56:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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It's really slow here. I look at Twitter everyday, but right now it's mostly politics. Getting sick of that. The activity should spike again in about 12 days. I suppose that there are some talks between the Vikings and their own players. Reiff certainly should be one of them. Linval Joseph is another one. '

There's talk about how the Vikings are getting old quickly and that this is the last year of their "window for a championship". I wish they had made a move to clear Xavier Rhodes last year. Surely they will do so soon.



i think that joseph's days in the nfl are pretty much over - at least his high-level playing days...joseph and stephens were the worst tandem against the run last year...joseph is old, has an awkward body type and is injury prone...zimmer talks up stephens, but from my pov he was a huge underperformer last season - i'd let both go and sign and draft our way into next season's middle d-line - our younger players showed some promise as depth, but our starters were shot....

remember how quickly pat williams faded?...one year we were the 'williams wall' and the next pat was the worst player on the line - that's joseph today....

don't restructure players that won't be part of your super bowl run - that's why i say don't restructure cousins - at least until he shows us he can be the man behind a solid offensive line...maybe next year...if there's a qb that we really like at one of our draft spots this year i hope we take him....


If Rhodes or Joseph are still on the roster this year then I will have officially lost all confidence in Spielman. I'd include Zimmer except that I think his brilliant gameplan vs the Saints in the wildcard round bought him enough cred to be off my shitlist for a while.

I agree. Rhodes -- I'd say it's impossible that he comes back. What was his passer rating against at one point, something like 140-150? At 218 lbs, he's 26 lbs heavier than the average weight of the other four CBs (Waynes, Hughes, Hill, Alexander), and it seems like he's often a step behind.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/7/2020 8:04:58 AM   
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I do believe Rhodes best chance is to convert to safety. Of course he would have to agree to a pay cut.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/7/2020 8:12:20 AM   
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I think Rhodes best chance is the XFL

He gave up an 85% completion percentage which is remarkably awful. We paid him 13ml for that?

Waynes owes him big time cuz Rhodes made him look better than he is being qb's were targeting Rhodes early and often.

Both can hit the road. Re-sign Alexander and draft a couple CB's. I can't see us being any worse.

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