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Thoughts on Cook & #Vikings: He's not looking for all that close to McCaffrey $$. If they offered what D. Johnson got Sept. 2018 - 3/39 - he'd likely say yes. Sure, that's a lot of $$, but that offense goes as he goes, IMO. Time left to reach a deal. But Vikes will have to budge.

He's not worth 3-39 unless the first two years are for $20 million and the third year is fully unguaranteed.

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

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Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Thoughts on Cook & #Vikings: He's not looking for all that close to McCaffrey $$. If they offered what D. Johnson got Sept. 2018 - 3/39 - he'd likely say yes. Sure, that's a lot of $$, but that offense goes as he goes, IMO. Time left to reach a deal. But Vikes will have to budge.

He's not worth 3-39 unless the first two years are for $20 million and the third year is fully unguaranteed.

imo extending cook would be a mistake at almost any price...he's injury prone and fades at the end of the season...his body just can't handle the punishment...he's going to end up having a very short career...if we extend him three years he'll hold out the third...with all of those picks this year spielman was a fool not to draft a rb in the 4th....

trade cook to a team willing to extend him for one of their rb's and a 2nd/3rd rounder and move on without having to deal with the bullship this season....

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

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Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Thoughts on Cook & #Vikings: He's not looking for all that close to McCaffrey $$. If they offered what D. Johnson got Sept. 2018 - 3/39 - he'd likely say yes. Sure, that's a lot of $$, but that offense goes as he goes, IMO. Time left to reach a deal. But Vikes will have to budge.

He's not worth 3-39 unless the first two years are for $20 million and the third year is fully unguaranteed.

imo extending cook would be a mistake at almost any price...he's injury prone and fades at the end of the season...his body just can't handle the punishment...he's going to end up having a very short career...if we extend him three years he'll hold out the third...with all of those picks this year spielman was a fool not to draft a rb in the 4th....

trade cook to a team willing to extend him for one of their rb's and a 2nd/3rd rounder and move on without having to deal with the bullship this season....

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Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Thoughts on Cook & #Vikings: He's not looking for all that close to McCaffrey $$. If they offered what D. Johnson got Sept. 2018 - 3/39 - he'd likely say yes. Sure, that's a lot of $$, but that offense goes as he goes, IMO. Time left to reach a deal. But Vikes will have to budge.

He's not worth 3-39 unless the first two years are for $20 million and the third year is fully unguaranteed.

imo extending cook would be a mistake at almost any price...he's injury prone and fades at the end of the season...his body just can't handle the punishment...he's going to end up having a very short career...if we extend him three years he'll hold out the third...with all of those picks this year spielman was a fool not to draft a rb in the 4th....

trade cook to a team willing to extend him for one of their rb's and a 2nd/3rd rounder and move on without having to deal with the bullship this season....

Spielman wasn't a fool. All the picks with the possible exception of Wonnum were rock solid through the 4th and who was available in the 5th? Mattison who many ripped as a horrible pick IMO is a fully capable starting NFL RB.

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Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Thoughts on Cook & #Vikings: He's not looking for all that close to McCaffrey $$. If they offered what D. Johnson got Sept. 2018 - 3/39 - he'd likely say yes. Sure, that's a lot of $$, but that offense goes as he goes, IMO. Time left to reach a deal. But Vikes will have to budge.

He's not worth 3-39 unless the first two years are for $20 million and the third year is fully unguaranteed.

imo extending cook would be a mistake at almost any price...he's injury prone and fades at the end of the season...his body just can't handle the punishment...he's going to end up having a very short career...if we extend him three years he'll hold out the third...with all of those picks this year spielman was a fool not to draft a rb in the 4th....

trade cook to a team willing to extend him for one of their rb's and a 2nd/3rd rounder and move on without having to deal with the bullship this season....

Spielman wasn't a fool. All the picks with the possible exception of Wonnum were rock solid through the 4th and who was available in the 5th? Mattison who many ripped as a horrible pick IMO is a fully capable starting NFL RB.

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

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Spence is on one far end of the spectrum. You've got way more on the far end of the other spectrum.

His posts are pretty amusing - gets all the haters riled up. He's gotta be just poking the hornets' nest right?

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What site?

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

No to shopping. We need him this year. It's his most valuable year. I don't care if he sits out the first half of the season. We need him for the second half (healthy and fresh) and the playoffs.

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

No to shopping. We need him this year. It's his most valuable year. I don't care if he sits out the first half of the season. We need him for the second half (healthy and fresh) and the playoffs.

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Pros
Run-heavy scheme works best with Cook
Dynamic, young player
Good pass catcher

Cons
Mattison has done well
We don't have a lot of cap
RB not a glam position anymore
The cap could decrease substantially for maybe one NFL season, but they should be able to address this league-wide
Injury history, although there is no way to predict if he will get injured again

What does "reasonable" mean to each party?

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Negotiations have been taking place for a while. According to multiple league sources, the Vikings' initial offer was below $10 million per year, which was not deemed "reasonable" by Cook and his representatives.

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

No to shopping. We need him this year. It's his most valuable year. I don't care if he sits out the first half of the season. We need him for the second half (healthy and fresh) and the playoffs.

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

No to shopping. We need him this year. It's his most valuable year. I don't care if he sits out the first half of the season. We need him for the second half (healthy and fresh) and the playoffs.

I agree.

Does anybody really put Mattison in Cook's class? Why would you think we could dump Cook in a trade and carry on, as is, with Mattison/Boone/Abdullah? Because the team played well in a few instances without Cook?

It's true, most RBs are replaceable and interchangeable ... that's certainly true for Mattison and all the other 2nd-3rd tier backs, not Cook. Or McCaffrey, Elliott, Barkley, Kamara, Jacobs, Chubb. idk maybe one or two more. Mattison has great value to us because he is really good ... as a back-up to our upper echelon back. Mattison is effective and well rounded, plus he's a little more rugged and much less of an injury risk than Cook. He's no premium talent though.

It's a different offense with Cook, a more potent, more explosive offense – more pressure on the defense which really benefits your play action / passing game. Defenses are playing your offense straight up with Mattison ... defenses prefer a healthy Mattison over a healthy Cook every minute of the day, no question.

We simply can NOT dump Diggs AND Cook and hope to generate the offense we had the last two years (which even with those two didn't get 'er done).

Our only prayer for being a better offense in 2020 is a slight improvement in the OL (we have done nothing this off season to create an expectation of great improvement), a healthier Thielen, a Cook that gives us another 14 games, and hoping your rookie WR Jefferson beats all odds and is a decent starter in his first year. (the defense will have to be better against +.500 teams as well to help the offense)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that giving Cook a big contract is a good or even necessary thing in itself. I agree putting a premium on RBs is risky and not good long-term planning... just like I would say it's ridiculous to put all your DB cap space into the S position. However, after trading Diggs and NOT putting more resources into the OL and not drafting or trading for another decent RB to preempt a holdout by Cook ... we are kind of stuck for this coming season [with Cook].

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

No to shopping. We need him this year. It's his most valuable year. I don't care if he sits out the first half of the season. We need him for the second half (healthy and fresh) and the playoffs.

I agree.

Does anybody really put Mattison in Cook's class? Why would you think we could dump Cook in a trade and carry on, as is, with Mattison/Boone/Abdullah? Because the team played well in a few instances without Cook?

It's true, most RBs are replaceable and interchangeable ... that's certainly true for Mattison and all the other 2nd-3rd tier backs, not Cook. Or McCaffrey, Elliott, Barkley, Kamara, Jacobs, Chubb. idk maybe one or two more. Mattison has great value to us because he is really good ... as a back-up to our upper echelon back. Mattison is effective and well rounded, plus he's a little more rugged and much less of an injury risk than Cook. He's no premium talent though.

It's a different offense with Cook, a more potent, more explosive offense – more pressure on the defense which really benefits your play action / passing game. Defenses are playing your offense straight up with Mattison ... defenses prefer a healthy Mattison over a healthy Cook every minute of the day, no question.

We simply can NOT dump Diggs AND Cook and hope to generate the offense we had the last two years (which even with those two didn't get 'er done).

Our only prayer for being a better offense in 2020 is a slight improvement in the OL (we have done nothing this off season to create an expectation of great improvement), a healthier Thielen, a Cook that gives us another 14 games, and hoping your rookie WR Jefferson beats all odds and is a decent starter in his first year. (the defense will have to be better against +.500 teams as well to help the offense)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that giving Cook a big contract is a good or even necessary thing in itself. I agree putting a premium on RBs is risky and not good long-term planning... just like I would say it's ridiculous to put all your DB cap space into the S position. However, after trading Diggs and NOT putting more resources into the OL and not drafting or trading for another decent RB to preempt a holdout by Cook ... we are kind of stuck for this coming season [with Cook].

i'm not good with giving cook a big contract extension...but i'm cool with letting things play out and having a fresh and lively cook for the playoff run at the end of the season...he'll be playing for a big contract with us or another team in 2021....

don't give him away and don't sign him big...we'll draft a new rb next draft....

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Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Thoughts on Cook & #Vikings: He's not looking for all that close to McCaffrey $$. If they offered what D. Johnson got Sept. 2018 - 3/39 - he'd likely say yes. Sure, that's a lot of $$, but that offense goes as he goes, IMO. Time left to reach a deal. But Vikes will have to budge.

He's not worth 3-39 unless the first two years are for $20 million and the third year is fully unguaranteed.

imo extending cook would be a mistake at almost any price...he's injury prone and fades at the end of the season...his body just can't handle the punishment...he's going to end up having a very short career...if we extend him three years he'll hold out the third...with all of those picks this year spielman was a fool not to draft a rb in the 4th....

trade cook to a team willing to extend him for one of their rb's and a 2nd/3rd rounder and move on without having to deal with the bullship this season....

Spielman wasn't a fool. All the picks with the possible exception of Wonnum were rock solid through the 4th and who was available in the 5th? Mattison who many ripped as a horrible pick IMO is a fully capable starting NFL RB.

Mattison is a 3rd round pick.

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Spence is on one far end of the spectrum. You've got way more on the far end of the other spectrum.

His posts are pretty amusing - gets all the haters riled up. He's gotta be just poking the hornets' nest right?

Oh yeah, we definitely have way more pessimists, or what they prefer to be called ... "realists". Very few optimists these days, but I guess Spence takes it to another level and makes up for it!

I sort of wish he was poking the hornets' nest. Then I could understand some of it a bit more, lol, but honestly, I think he's being pretty genuine. Truthfully, I just think he doesn't understand the game on the level that most of us do. I think he's more of a casual fan. And then he reads all of the positive things I post, and lets his excitement get the best of him.

We have an Off Topic section (hidden to non-members so people don't join for the wrong reasons), and he has a lot of other interests (movies, music, writing, etc.). Again, I just don't think he understands the game the way typical message board members do. Oh well! His threads (both football and Off Topic) definitely add to the board, so...

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What site?

I don't want to be rude and make it seem like I'm promoting my own community - that's definitely not why I'm here - but since Pager kinda let the cat outta the bag, lol...

Here is a link.

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I would shop him. He is hurt all the time and its very possible the salary cap could go down.

Few teams pay big money for a running back and look back and are glad they did.

He is more valuable than Diggs. Could we get more than what we got for him?

No to shopping. We need him this year. It's his most valuable year. I don't care if he sits out the first half of the season. We need him for the second half (healthy and fresh) and the playoffs.

I agree.

Does anybody really put Mattison in Cook's class? Why would you think we could dump Cook in a trade and carry on, as is, with Mattison/Boone/Abdullah? Because the team played well in a few instances without Cook?

It's true, most RBs are replaceable and interchangeable ... that's certainly true for Mattison and all the other 2nd-3rd tier backs, not Cook. Or McCaffrey, Elliott, Barkley, Kamara, Jacobs, Chubb. idk maybe one or two more. Mattison has great value to us because he is really good ... as a back-up to our upper echelon back. Mattison is effective and well rounded, plus he's a little more rugged and much less of an injury risk than Cook. He's no premium talent though.

It's a different offense with Cook, a more potent, more explosive offense – more pressure on the defense which really benefits your play action / passing game. Defenses are playing your offense straight up with Mattison ... defenses prefer a healthy Mattison over a healthy Cook every minute of the day, no question.

We simply can NOT dump Diggs AND Cook and hope to generate the offense we had the last two years (which even with those two didn't get 'er done).

Our only prayer for being a better offense in 2020 is a slight improvement in the OL (we have done nothing this off season to create an expectation of great improvement), a healthier Thielen, a Cook that gives us another 14 games, and hoping your rookie WR Jefferson beats all odds and is a decent starter in his first year. (the defense will have to be better against +.500 teams as well to help the offense)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that giving Cook a big contract is a good or even necessary thing in itself. I agree putting a premium on RBs is risky and not good long-term planning... just like I would say it's ridiculous to put all your DB cap space into the S position. However, after trading Diggs and NOT putting more resources into the OL and not drafting or trading for another decent RB to preempt a holdout by Cook ... we are kind of stuck for this coming season [with Cook].

i'm not good with giving cook a big contract extension...but i'm cool with letting things play out and having a fresh and lively cook for the playoff run at the end of the season...he'll be playing for a big contract with us or another team in 2021....

don't give him away and don't sign him big...we'll draft a new rb next draft....

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I don't think giving a running back 16 mil a year is a smart move for the Vikings right now. I would trade for capital and move on. He does not give me a good feeling of having a long productive career ahead of him. While his impact on the offense is favorable, is it a good business decision to invest long term for that kind of dough? I would back away from that table. I really like Cook as a player and a person, but that money could be spent better elsewhere.

It hurt's but I might have to quote Brad H: "running backs are a dime a dozen".