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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 9:14:03 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Player safety and who they could pass it to are intertwined. As I said earlier, it affects seeing parents, grandparents, kids with conditions, etc.

Wouldn't bother me if they shuttered the season. Might be good for the fans to reset themselves from the year-round hype, bloat, and money grab of an ever-diminishing product.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 9:52:29 AM

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As I have said previously, the players can opt out. They can forfeit their years income and they can pay back a prorated portion of their signing bonus. They have that choice. There will be plenty of players chomping at the bit to replace them.

Enough of this. I have made my point and I will move on to the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 9:57:11 AM

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As I have said previously, the players can opt out. They can forfeit their years income and they can pay back a prorated portion of their signing bonus. They have that choice. There will be plenty of players chomping at the bit to replace them.

Enough of this. I have made my point and I will move on to the game.

I'm fully with you on this Bruce. Players should be able to opt out without pay. I think the contract should toll so no paying back any of the signing bonus.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 9:57:51 AM

Bill Johanesen

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If in fact the NFL isn't interested in safety, then I hope players do opt out. I support that stance.

Unfortunately, just playing football during a global pandemic is stupid and shows how callous the NFL is. Yep, greed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 10:08:10 AM 1 votes

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The way society gets to being normal again is through a duration of abnormal behavior, which ironically is normal cautionary behavior when battling a global pandemic. We as a nation can't fully accept that, hence the prolonged agony. To do otherwise means more people will catch the virus, end up in hospitals, have maimed internal organs, and even die.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 10:09:51 AM 1 votes

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It's still football. I record the games and wait until it's an hour or so into it so I can skip the commercials. It's still the Minnesota Vikings playing the Green Bay Packers. I'm all for the games being played. The nation needs to return to normal the best that we can instead of hunker down in our basements. People need to get back to work and that it includes the football players.

And because we tried to get back to normal too quickly, we're right back where we started.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 10:13:57 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

It's still football. I record the games and wait until it's an hour or so into it so I can skip the commercials. It's still the Minnesota Vikings playing the Green Bay Packers. I'm all for the games being played. The nation needs to return to normal the best that we can instead of hunker down in our basements. People need to get back to work and that it includes the football players.

And because we tried to get back to normal too quickly, we're right back where we started.

Worse.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 11:26:58 AM

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a couple of dudes that aren't opting out....

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings first-round pick, WR Justin Jefferson, has agreed to his contract. It's a four-year, $13.123 million deal, including a signing bonus of $7.104 million. He will count $2.386 million against the salary cap in 2020.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says LB Troy Dye, a fourth-round pick from Oregon, has agreed to contract terms with the #Vikings. He will sign a four-year $3.974 million deal, including a $678,572 signing bonus. He will count $779,643 against the cap in 2020. He's arriving in Minnesota today.

< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 7/22/2020 11:32:23 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 11:45:17 AM

Bill Johanesen

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a couple of dudes that aren't opting out....

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings first-round pick, WR Justin Jefferson, has agreed to his contract. It's a four-year, $13.123 million deal, including a signing bonus of $7.104 million. He will count $2.386 million against the salary cap in 2020.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says LB Troy Dye, a fourth-round pick from Oregon, has agreed to contract terms with the #Vikings. He will sign a four-year $3.974 million deal, including a $678,572 signing bonus. He will count $779,643 against the cap in 2020. He's arriving in Minnesota today.

Both 4 year deals.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 12:01:02 PM

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My post is actually about the product. If someone wants to say it's still football, as if it's the same as, lets say, golf, I guess we will just have to disagree. The football we see today at the pro level is already altered to a point where most old timers like me dont really recognize it, well, at least dont enjoy it as much. What we are about to see is going to be a product we will never see again after 2021, so why go through it. I'll tell ya, greed, that's it. It's going to be a different game and it's only about the money, advertisers and T.V. rights have already been paid for and they will do anything they can to give them something, anything, to satisfy deals that have already been paid for. If this season went by without being played, it would be forgotten next year as soon as the first kickoff. Instead, we will have people talking about the joke the NFL tried to pass off as football when the 2021 season kicks off.

I miss baseball, but I don't miss it so much that it ruins my day. The other sports I didn't really even notice existed, sometimes watching a Hockey game, never NBA, but the point is, it's a form of entertainment and a year without it isn't going to change my love of the sport. I'll miss Football this year, just like I've had to miss many other things in my life, but I'd rather not try to fake it, as if this is what would have really been had fans been in the stands, just to satisfy my longing. That's just me, my view.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 12:16:01 PM

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I do like baseball and hockey. I'll watch Gopher basketball, but I have soured on the NBA. If the Wolves had a 1% chance of being relevant I'd watch a game or two.

I do like the NFL product better than the past. Watch a game from the 60's or 70's and maybe you would agree. I remember there was a Packer game that the Vikings won 3-0. Today's game is much more entertaining.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 12:47:04 PM

Karl Juhnke

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a couple of dudes that aren't opting out....

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings first-round pick, WR Justin Jefferson, has agreed to his contract. It's a four-year, $13.123 million deal, including a signing bonus of $7.104 million. He will count $2.386 million against the salary cap in 2020.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says LB Troy Dye, a fourth-round pick from Oregon, has agreed to contract terms with the #Vikings. He will sign a four-year $3.974 million deal, including a $678,572 signing bonus. He will count $779,643 against the cap in 2020. He's arriving in Minnesota today.

Glad to have him signed. He wasn't the first one I was hoping for in that group of 1st round WRs, but I do think he has the tools for a productive NFL career. In watching video of him one thing I like is his ability to win the little hand to hand combat battles for the ball in close coverage. That Moss skill.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 1:03:40 PM

kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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a couple of dudes that aren't opting out....

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings first-round pick, WR Justin Jefferson, has agreed to his contract. It's a four-year, $13.123 million deal, including a signing bonus of $7.104 million. He will count $2.386 million against the salary cap in 2020.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Source says LB Troy Dye, a fourth-round pick from Oregon, has agreed to contract terms with the #Vikings. He will sign a four-year $3.974 million deal, including a $678,572 signing bonus. He will count $779,643 against the cap in 2020. He's arriving in Minnesota today.

About time. I don't get the Vikings waiting until the absolute last moment to sign them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 1:10:16 PM

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JUSTIN JEFFERSON
WR, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Vikings signed first-round WR Justin Jefferson to a four-year $13.122 million contract.
Jefferson was selected with the first-round pick the Vikings received from the Bills in the Stefon Diggs trade. With 110 available targets heading into the season, there is plenty of opportunity for Jefferson to emerge as the best pass catcher opposite Adam Thielen on the roster, since his main competition features Tajae Sharpe and Bisi Johnson. Jefferson dominated out of the slot last season at LSU, where 90 percent of his snaps and receptions originated from. Yet the Vikings ran 11 personnel, three reciever sets, at the lowest rate in the NFL last season, just 25 percent of the time. Therefore, Jefferson might be asked to win as an outside pass catcher during his rookie season, unless Gary Kubiak shifts the Vikings' style.

SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter
Jul 22, 2020, 11:20 AM ET

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 1:13:37 PM

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In 12 personnel with 2 TEs and 2 WRs is there a slot receiver at all? I don't understand how that works. Would one of the TEs perhaps play slot receiver? Could Irv play wide and Jefferson play slot? Doing that would take away the blocking advantage though so it wouldn't work right?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 2:11:49 PM

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In 12 personnel with 2 TEs and 2 WRs is there a slot receiver at all? I don't understand how that works. Would one of the TEs perhaps play slot receiver? Could Irv play wide and Jefferson play slot? Doing that would take away the blocking advantage though so it wouldn't work right?

Interesting question. I'm not an x's and o's kind of guy, but if Irv goes wide, then I imagine that a linebacker goes wide with him. Not sure. Cornerbacks on the inside are first going to worry about their slot receiver and a lot of corners are reluctant to tackle and take on blocks, especially from offensive linemen anyway, so I'm thinking it's kind of like taking a linebacker out of the defense. (if it is a running play)

Most of the time a team has two tight ends I believe they stay close to the tackles.

I'm kind of just speculating. Someone else with more football knowledge will answer better.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 3:07:50 PM

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Bleacher Report says Zimmer extended...

https://bleacherreport.com/minnesota-vikings

"The Minnesota Vikings and head coach Mike Zimmer are reportedly finalizing a multiyear contract extension."

"reportedly finalizing"

Not done yet!

< Message edited by kevinemmer -- 7/22/2020 3:11:25 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 3:14:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

It's still football. I record the games and wait until it's an hour or so into it so I can skip the commercials. It's still the Minnesota Vikings playing the Green Bay Packers. I'm all for the games being played. The nation needs to return to normal the best that we can instead of hunker down in our basements. People need to get back to work and that it includes the football players.

And because we tried to get back to normal too quickly, we're right back where we started.

Worse.

Minnesota seems fine

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 3:18:40 PM

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Bleacher Report says Zimmer extended...

https://bleacherreport.com/minnesota-vikings

"The Minnesota Vikings and head coach Mike Zimmer are reportedly finalizing a multiyear contract extension."

"reportedly finalizing"

Not done yet!

I really don't understand that move at all. Zygi should tell him to make a meaningful playoff run and we can talk after the year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 3:57:24 PM

kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

Bleacher Report says Zimmer extended...

https://bleacherreport.com/minnesota-vikings

"The Minnesota Vikings and head coach Mike Zimmer are reportedly finalizing a multiyear contract extension."

"reportedly finalizing"

Not done yet!

I really don't understand that move at all. Zygi should tell him to make a meaningful playoff run and we can talk after the year.

Agree

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 4:05:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

Bleacher Report says Zimmer extended...

https://bleacherreport.com/minnesota-vikings

"The Minnesota Vikings and head coach Mike Zimmer are reportedly finalizing a multiyear contract extension."

"reportedly finalizing"

Not done yet!

I really don't understand that move at all. Zygi should tell him to make a meaningful playoff run and we can talk after the year.

Agree

Or Zimmer can make a substantial playoff run and tell Zygi to **** off and go coach somewhere else.

Zimmer's been a good coach for us and it is time for him to take the next step and get us into a Superbowl.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 4:09:19 PM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

My post is actually about the product. If someone wants to say it's still football, as if it's the same as, lets say, golf, I guess we will just have to disagree. The football we see today at the pro level is already altered to a point where most old timers like me dont really recognize it, well, at least dont enjoy it as much. What we are about to see is going to be a product we will never see again after 2021, so why go through it. I'll tell ya, greed, that's it. It's going to be a different game and it's only about the money, advertisers and T.V. rights have already been paid for and they will do anything they can to give them something, anything, to satisfy deals that have already been paid for. If this season went by without being played, it would be forgotten next year as soon as the first kickoff. Instead, we will have people talking about the joke the NFL tried to pass off as football when the 2021 season kicks off.

I miss baseball, but I don't miss it so much that it ruins my day. The other sports I didn't really even notice existed, sometimes watching a Hockey game, never NBA, but the point is, it's a form of entertainment and a year without it isn't going to change my love of the sport. I'll miss Football this year, just like I've had to miss many other things in my life, but I'd rather not try to fake it, as if this is what would have really been had fans been in the stands, just to satisfy my longing. That's just me, my view.

we don't really know the quality of football that we're going to get...only that fans won't be in the stadiums for the first month/s or so ...do you really need that to enjoy the game? - i agree that it will be strange and something will be missing, but what if it's really spectacular in a pure football sense?....

it's not exactly what i want either, but it's the only sport that i pay much attention to, and i am hungry for it...i look forward to having it...yes, even with a freakishly weird presentation...like everything else that's happening today, it's part of what's going on - in the now...it's the pandemic nfl, and we'll remember it that way....

for the safety aspect of the game, i think that they should have sequestered the players a month ago and kept them sequestered to help prevent them from catching the virus...but for many, that seemed too extreme for some reason....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 4:19:39 PM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 4:25:49 PM

David Levine

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

Bleacher Report says Zimmer extended...

https://bleacherreport.com/minnesota-vikings

"The Minnesota Vikings and head coach Mike Zimmer are reportedly finalizing a multiyear contract extension."

"reportedly finalizing"

Not done yet!

I really don't understand that move at all. Zygi should tell him to make a meaningful playoff run and we can talk after the year.

Feels like he's getting a bye for the effed up year - if it even happens.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2020 4:38:42 PM

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With rookies set to report to training camp on Thursday, the Vikings have begun to ramp up the process of officially signing their 2020 draft class. So far on Wednesday, rookie contracts have been signed (or terms agreed to, at least) by first-round pick Justin Jefferson, second-rounder Ezra Cleveland, fourth-rounders James Lynch and Troy Dye, fifth-rounder K.J. Osborn, and seventh-rounder Kyle Hinton.

With seventh-rounder Nate Stanley having already signed his deal, seven of the team's 15 draft picks are now under contract or will be soon. More are expected to follow in short succession.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/justin-jefferson-vikings-draftees-sign-rookie-contracts

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