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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 1:53:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I highly doubt we see a vaccine before the new year. But even if we do, I am very skeptical about how effective it will be because of the anti-vax movement. And more importantly, the distrust that has been sewn by certain people in power about the CDC, Fauci, etc.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 1:54:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Phil, ladder has “ noped” out of the relationship, he offers his wing man, wheelbarrow, to help you with the task you have given YOUR BFF, shovel.

Wear a mask..

I suggest a full OBA considering the depth and content of the hole you are putting shovel and wheelbarrow to work in.

Dump Trump truck waits patiently for your effort and contribution.



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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 1:56:25 PM   
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Phil, if you can't see who the majority of anti-maskers align with, I can't help you at this point.


I am conservative...I wear a mask. I am in a conservative area....all are wearing masks. I can't help your misguided viewpoint, sorry.


Good for you that's a compassionate thing to do. Most of what I hear from anti-maskers on this topic is 'I don't believe they work', 'this will all go away after the election', 'I don't wear one because I'm not a sheep', 'my body my choice' - I think that one's my favorite. And I'm sorry man, there is one party that supports this type of rhetoric much more than the other.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 1:57:04 PM  1 votes
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Phil, ladder has “ noped” out of the relationship, he offers his wing man, wheelbarrow, to help you with the task you have given YOUR BFF, shovel.

Wear a mask..

I suggest a full OBA considering the depth and content of the hole you are putting shovel and wheelbarrow to work in.

Dump Trump truck waits patiently for your effort and contribution.




I don't contribute to any politics. Never have never will....must be hard for you to talk while talking out of MSNBC's rear?

I don't even have a sign out in front of my house....do you?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 1:58:16 PM   
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If a 104 year old with cancer, AIDS, diabetes, congenital heart disease, and diarrhea crashes his car and dies on his way to his dialysis appointment guess what the cause of death is - car crash.

If they had a positive test, they would be considered a Covid death in ND.

ND Dept. of Health official stats

Primary cause (Covid) 346

Any cause with positive test 80

Pending 41

Total 461
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 2:06:10 PM   
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Phil, if you can't see who the majority of anti-maskers align with, I can't help you at this point.


I am conservative...I wear a mask. I am in a conservative area....all are wearing masks. I can't help your misguided viewpoint, sorry.


Good for you that's a compassionate thing to do. Most of what I hear from anti-maskers on this topic is 'I don't believe they work', 'this will all go away after the election', 'I don't wear one because I'm not a sheep', 'my body my choice' - I think that one's my favorite. And I'm sorry man, there is one party that supports this type of rhetoric much more than the other.


There is a news source that says that rhetoric. Every church, school, workplace, etc. in this state wear masks....this state is 51-53% democratic...who do you think pushes that rhetoric then that the 49-47% conservatives don't?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 2:35:27 PM  4 votes
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Phil, if you can't see who the majority of anti-maskers align with, I can't help you at this point.



I knew Phil was beyond help months ago. But he keeps proving it, doesn't he.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 4:11:31 PM   
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Phil, if you can't see who the majority of anti-maskers align with, I can't help you at this point.


I am conservative...I wear a mask. I am in a conservative area....all are wearing masks. I can't help your misguided viewpoint, sorry.


Good for you that's a compassionate thing to do. Most of what I hear from anti-maskers on this topic is 'I don't believe they work', 'this will all go away after the election', 'I don't wear one because I'm not a sheep', 'my body my choice' - I think that one's my favorite. And I'm sorry man, there is one party that supports this type of rhetoric much more than the other.


There is a news source that says that rhetoric. Every church, school, workplace, etc. in this state wear masks....this state is 51-53% democratic...who do you think pushes that rhetoric then that the 49-47% conservatives don't?


Dude - I don't watch cable news so I have no idea what you're talking about. Is it Fox News? Because I could believe that. All I know is that when I go to the hometown bar with the **Trump 2020 - No More Bullshit** flag waving, conspiracy batshit crazy is what I hear. Including the anti-mask stuff. Everything I listed above are direct quotes.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/26/2020 11:07:04 PM  1 votes
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Only in the last couple of weeks. If you look at cases per million from the outset, the EU response has outperformed the US response by an embarrassing margin. During the summer the US was never below 70 cases per million with a peak at 200 per million. Meanwhile the EU was around 25. They had a recent spike and passed the US. History dictates they will get it under control faster than we will.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/covid-is-accelerating-across-the-globe-as-us-and-europe-head-into-flu-season.html


"History dictates they will get it under control faster than we will." Via another economic shutdown. We're happy for them.

What's a couple hundred thousand deaths as long as the Dow is up.

Who has said the economic shutdowns do more damage than good

Anything to justify your vote for Orange Death, I guess....


They also pad the COVID deaths to justify voting for the other guy too...so there is that.

So "they" did that?

So it's "only" 200,000 deaths, or some other extremely reasonable number?

Orange death and his minions told us over the weekend that they're not even trying to control the spread. They "suggest" mask usage at the rallies, but don't want to say anything from the stage because that would be impinging on the cult members' freedoms.

In the meantime, we're all "free" to die, endure permanent organ damage, or, surprise, just silently kill those unfortunate to come into contact with an asymptomatic spreader.


So lets start with Orange Death....what would you do with it and how do you report the deaths Cuomo created by forcing people into Nursing Homes...still wondering how you blame those tens of thousands in NY on Trump. Also it is a known fact that the accuracy on COVID test still is 70% at best. SO there are a ton of false positives and the reverse.

Also lets add in a 90 year old with 10 other problems and assigning it to COVID.

Please and CMON on the politicizing on this topic.....

I actually don't assign blame on Trump for all of the deaths, but it would be nice if he would take responsibility to do everything possible to mitigate the damage caused by the virus. It's not his fault it got here or spread, but his performance has been pathetic in trying to contain it. Distance, mask, contact trace..... It's so simple. Doesn't solve everything, there are still issues and hard choices, people will still get sick and die, but at a much lower rate and with a much better chance to tamp down flashes. It could have started in spring, but Orange Death chose to engage in magical thinking, blame, victimhood, and hero fantasies. We would have tens of thousands fewer deaths, maybe around 100,000, and our economy could have been much more opened. But here we are. It's not all the fault of Orange Death, but he gets the largest chunk of blame because he could have set a tone, engaged policies, and taken action and he......didn't.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 5:54:22 AM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		I don't think anyone has ever blamed Trump for the virus. However, having said that, his response thus far has been the worst on the planet.

Part of it comes from having complete incompetence around him. Another part comes from him politicizing it for political gain (or loss, in his case) and not treating it with the proper respect.

It is a once in every 100-year event. The bottom line is, he hasn't treated it as such and has treated it like a business. Even in the face of getting it himself, he still isn't treating it with the respect it deserves nor seeking the advice of experts.

When you have heart problems, you look for the best surgeon and heed his/her advice. You don't just run around carelessly and hope the problem goes away. When you have engine problems on your car, you look for a good mechanic rather than seeking the advice of a grocery store clerk.

Intuition will only get you so far in life. At some point you have to turn things over to professionals and let them do their jobs.

At the end of the day, he's really bad at making decisions. He makes bad decisions on solving problems. He makes bad decisions on what he says on camera. He makes bad decisions on who he hires.

One can only hope that America wakes up next Tuesday and has a moment of clarity before they go into the voting booth. If not, as a country, we get what we deserve.

A killing virus is a problem that can only be solved by science. If you aren't willing to listen to the scientists, you are either dumb as a rock or bat-shit crazy (or both).

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 7:37:40 AM  1 votes
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Phil, ladder has “ noped” out of the relationship, he offers his wing man, wheelbarrow, to help you with the task you have given YOUR BFF, shovel.

Wear a mask..

I suggest a full OBA considering the depth and content of the hole you are putting shovel and wheelbarrow to work in.

Dump Trump truck waits patiently for your effort and contribution.




I don't contribute to any politics. Never have never will....must be hard for you to talk while talking out of MSNBC's rear?

I don't even have a sign out in front of my house....do you?


I do not get my information from Main Stream Media.

I do not have Cable, do not watch any of MSNBC, CNN, FAUX, or any other entertainment , flame fanning, hysteria pushing, media outlet on issues that are important.

I have no political signs in my yard, no bumper stickers, no “gear” that I wear..

I research things like candidate records of voting, check with the CDC, DHHS, SSA, and other not so spoon feeding sources of information.
I have the ability to cognitively compare the difference and actions and statements of political policy that candidates make, with what They actually do and who they take money from.

I do my due diligence, I can easily discern the lies and rhetoric from tha proof of action that belies the falsehood being spewed for consumption by the ignorant, brainwashed, stubbornly Uncompromising asshats, who vote strictly on “D” vs “R”.

Donald Trump is not my President.
He is, bar none, the worst ever.

He is a Racist, misogynistic, egotistical, attention whoreing, Communist and despot befriending, moron surrounded by sycophantic yes people, too chickenshit to call him out for idiocy.

That is not the kind of leadership, that the public needs, it is the antithesis of leadership.

Almost every word uttered by this buffoon, Donald Trump, is by literal definition, FAKE NEWS, political Propaganda.

Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

If you support Donald Trump and his policy agenda, I believe you are an idiot.

It’s that simple, snowflake.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 7:52:55 AM  4 votes
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Status: offline 		It is just awesome that you read the webs and post such great bs. Bottom line is the candidate you support is loaded and he doesn’t want to raise his own taxes. That is something I can’t get behind. They are just as big of hypocrites

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 8:10:23 AM   
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It is just awesome that you read the webs and post such great bs. Bottom line is the candidate you support is loaded and he doesn’t want to raise his own taxes. That is something I can’t get behind. They are just as big of hypocrites

So you support tax increases?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 8:13:47 AM   
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It is just awesome that you read the webs and post such great bs. Bottom line is the candidate you support is loaded and he doesn’t want to raise his own taxes. That is something I can’t get behind. They are just as big of hypocrites

So you support tax increases?

Not federal tax hikes but I think the cap on SS tax is wrong and the proposed donut where congress isn’t raising taxes on themselves is wrong. Going in front of a camera and saying they are raising ss taxes in only the ones richer than us. I don’t know how you don’t see it. Companies and individuals can’t hide from it.

You want better healthcare and a green new deal. Go in front of a camera as a rep or congressman and say it is so important we are raising our own ss taxes and cutting some of our fat here. That would be something I could get behind

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 8:53:02 AM   
bohumm

 

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It is just awesome that you read the webs and post such great bs. Bottom line is the candidate you support is loaded and he doesn’t want to raise his own taxes. That is something I can’t get behind. They are just as big of hypocrites

So you support tax increases?

Not federal tax hikes but I think the cap on SS tax is wrong and the proposed donut where congress isn’t raising taxes on themselves is wrong. Going in front of a camera and saying they are raising ss taxes in only the ones richer than us. I don’t know how you don’t see it. Companies and individuals can’t hide from it.

You want better healthcare and a green new deal. Go in front of a camera as a rep or congressman and say it is so important we are raising our own ss taxes and cutting some of our fat here. That would be something I could get behind

I think it's weird, too, but I think it's wired to taxing the 1% rather than not taxing Congress or himself, though it wouldn't surprise me. Self-dealing and low-grade corruption are endemic to the course of business in the public and private sectors-----that's not new, and it's not going away any time soon. If you're at the higher levels of business and politics, odds are you're engaged in it at a low level at a minimum. So we agree, everyone should pay in on 100% of their incomes; I'm not clear on the payroll tax from the business, but that should be uniform, too.

Trump has no plan to impose an increase on anyone above the current level, and has articulated the desire to do away with payroll taxes altogether, and he's eliminated them in the short term.

So given your criteria, you must like Biden better on social security by, oh, say infinity.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 9:08:55 AM  1 votes
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It is just awesome that you read the webs and post such great bs. Bottom line is the candidate you support is loaded and he doesn’t want to raise his own taxes. That is something I can’t get behind. They are just as big of hypocrites


Wtf you mean he won’t raise his own taxes?

Explain how Biden would somehow be exempt from paying taxes..

Have you even looked at Biden’s tax returns?

You are a straw-man puppet of inconceivable proportions

Our government is out of control, domestically, financially, Militarily, and morally, but Trumps answers are Cut Taxes for the rich, ignore Science, suck up to Russians and North Koreans, withdraw from treaties meant to control environmental degradation, and nuclear proliferation, and fail to denounce, racism, send “ all the best, and wish well” a woman who recruited Children for sexually predators.

You support the Ideals and morality of Donald Trump?

I dare you to “ just grab em by the Pu$$y, they like that”... lust after your own stepdaughter, sleep around with a few porn stars, then pay them to be quiet about your infidelity... Mock Gold Star Families, mock disabled people, including congressional members. Call armed servicemen and women, sucker and losers,

Is any of THAT a lie?
Prove me wrong.

The freaking list of psychosis and disgusting behaviors is legendary

And by extension, the sycophants who bobble head his words and actions?

McConnell, Grassley, Ernst, et al?

Shame on you.

WTF gives you such a stiffy for Trump and the republicans?

“ Oh I don’t like Trump”, you say over and over and over, but you Will vote for him, won’t you?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 9:12:29 AM   
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Learn to separate propaganda from fact, Jesus.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 9:13:56 AM   
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 9:18:24 AM   
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It is just awesome that you read the webs and post such great bs. Bottom line is the candidate you support is loaded and he doesn’t want to raise his own taxes. That is something I can’t get behind. They are just as big of hypocrites

So you support tax increases?

Not federal tax hikes but I think the cap on SS tax is wrong and the proposed donut where congress isn’t raising taxes on themselves is wrong. Going in front of a camera and saying they are raising ss taxes in only the ones richer than us. I don’t know how you don’t see it. Companies and individuals can’t hide from it.

You want better healthcare and a green new deal. Go in front of a camera as a rep or congressman and say it is so important we are raising our own ss taxes and cutting some of our fat here. That would be something I could get behind

I find it interesting that this kind of spin bothers you, but a spin that has led to 230,000, and likely 300,000 deaths by the end of the year, doesn't seem to phase you a bit.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 1:17:19 PM   
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In the meantime, hospitalizations up to 43K and rising, including in places with no current capacity... and no mask mandate or any plan to mitigate the problem other than scrambling to put beds in parking lots. And at the national level, the failsafe? Even less.

Could you compare developing a vaccine for H1N1 and Covid?

It took 6 months to start vaccinating people in 2009. Is this more complicated or should we expect something shortly?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 3:43:46 PM   
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And I can't emphasize enough...I think the damage done politically and by the anti-vax movement is going to make it so much harder to get rid of this. 50% or the population getting vaccinated does nothing to eradicate the disease. If you continue to discredit or minimize medical experts, eventually people will start believing it. And I don't even know what to say to anti-vaxxers...other than you're awful, selfish people.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 3:51:16 PM   
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I have SOME insight (work in medical, pharmacy), by no means an expert. I wouldn't expect a vaccine before the New Year. There have been setbacks in clinical trials. In a normal time, I think 3 months or so at the earliest. But I know there will be pressure. I do expect things to get worse before they get better.

And I can't emphasize enough...I think the damage done politically and by the anti-vax movement is going to make it so much harder to get rid of this. 50% or the population getting vaccinated does nothing to eradicate the disease. If you continue to discredit or minimize medical experts, eventually people will start believing it. And I don't even know what to say to anti-vaxxers...other than you're awful, selfish people.

Flu vaccine has about a 40% success rate. Why?

Just so many different strains?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 4:12:16 PM   
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I have SOME insight (work in medical, pharmacy), by no means an expert. I wouldn't expect a vaccine before the New Year. There have been setbacks in clinical trials. In a normal time, I think 3 months or so at the earliest. But I know there will be pressure. I do expect things to get worse before they get better.

And I can't emphasize enough...I think the damage done politically and by the anti-vax movement is going to make it so much harder to get rid of this. 50% or the population getting vaccinated does nothing to eradicate the disease. If you continue to discredit or minimize medical experts, eventually people will start believing it. And I don't even know what to say to anti-vaxxers...other than you're awful, selfish people.

Flu vaccine has about a 40% success rate. Why?

Just so many different strains?


Yes. It's a guessing game every year. Honestly some years it's lower than 40%.

You should still get the shot every year. Serious side effects are extremely rare. It makes you feel like you did some upright rows for awhile, but it's better than spreading. Same with Covid. I think we need to prepare ourselves for a less than optimal vaccine. But you should absolutely still get it Again, my fear is that so much doubt is being placed on the medical community that I'm not sure how effective things will be. Is there another profession on the planet where people dedicate their lives to 8 years of education, 3 years (minimum) of residency, and then go on to practice where people are like 'well Dr. So and So says this but I saw on Facebook this...'...and then believe the Facebook post???? It's maddening
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 4:14:22 PM   
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But Scott Baio said if I get the Covid vaccine, my dog is going to get autism!
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 10/27/2020 5:21:31 PM   
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(Nicole Eggert circa 1990 on the other hand...)
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