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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 10:35:53 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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Take it to policy,
Mark, and I will answer you...
I’m done hijacking a Vikings Covid tread for political objectives...

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 10:42:39 AM

Mark Anderson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Take it to policy,
Mark, and I will answer you...
I’m done hijacking a Vikings Covid tread for political objectives...

You won't get banned.

Lay it out right here.

One of the last times I went in there, I got some crazy threatening PM from some guy I had never heard of.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 2/12/2021 10:45:30 AM >

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 10:56:52 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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Pfft.. I won’t even tell you how many times I got crazy threatening PM’s from known posters..

They scare me about as much as a shadow in a dark corner..

If that is your response, I won’t play..

Sorry, ..

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 11:06:07 AM

Mark Anderson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Pfft.. I won’t even tell you how many times I got crazy threatening PM’s from known posters..

They scare me about as much as a shadow in a dark corner..

If that is your response, I won’t play..

Sorry, ..

Plus, I don't want to get sucked back into endless arguments that go on in every thread. Life is too short to get wrapped up in that crap.

Sports arguments don't seem to last as long and aren't as mean spirited.

Sorry, not taking the bait that I am some wimp who won't go to the big bad Politics Thread.

You could PM me your policy ideas.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 2/12/2021 11:11:13 AM >

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 5:48:46 PM

unome

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Plus, I don't want to get sucked back into endless arguments that go on in every thread. Life is too short to get wrapped up in that crap.

Sports arguments don't seem to last as long and aren't as mean spirited.

Sorry, not taking the bait that I am some wimp who won't go to the big bad Politics Thread.

Amen, brother.

All I have gotten for all my posts here is a number of people lining up to fight me or put me down.

I like intellectual debate, but personal, mean-spirited crap is not something I am going to choose to sign up for when the alternative is: almost everything else I would ever choose to do.

I am not afraid to duke it out, I just do not see much value in it.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 6:06:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: unome

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Plus, I don't want to get sucked back into endless arguments that go on in every thread. Life is too short to get wrapped up in that crap.

Sports arguments don't seem to last as long and aren't as mean spirited.

Sorry, not taking the bait that I am some wimp who won't go to the big bad Politics Thread.

Amen, brother.

All I have gotten for all my posts here is a number of people lining up to fight me or put me down.

I like intellectual debate, but personal, mean-spirited crap is not something I am going to choose to sign up for when the alternative is: almost everything else I would ever choose to do.

I am not afraid to duke it out, I just do not see much value in it.

So a while back when you weren't posting much you came in and did a fly by post basically spitting on Dan when he was down was you not signing up for what, again?

You're a new persona carrying old grudges. I thought I had you pegged but am far from sure now. All i know is by your own admission your old persona took a lot of heat and your new one isnt faring well either. Seems to me the problem is you.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 8:21:15 PM

bohumm

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So typical. A while back, you (Unome) were very active for a brief stretch, some of which was quoted by David F. There was some good debate, some lecturing, and a weird strand of arrogance culminating---for me---in you saying this:

"And I know you do not understand economics and finance. Or capitalism. Most people don't so it is hardly something to feel defensive about." Kind of arrogant, but whatever.

A short time later, you railed about "scared" people unwilling to put social security in the hands of the every man to invest. What? All the plebes who know nothing about economics, finance, and capitalism are supposed to gamble their safety net? Who wins there?

Now you've come back for a victory lap so everyone can recognize (once again) how much smarter you are than, not just all of us this time, but also Fauci and Bill Gates et al. But, shockingly, many of us aren't willing to slobber what you're spewing, and someone even deigned to give your genius a one-star rating. Now people aren't being nice, when all you want to do is share the joy.

You're clearly a very intelligent guy. Stop playing dumb.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 9:33:52 PM 5 votes

Bruce Johnson

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We don't have objective journalism anymore. I don't know if we ever had honest debate in America. A long time ago, perhaps. Perhaps not.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 10:27:03 PM

jbusse

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We don't have objective journalism anymore. I don't know if we ever had honest debate in America. A long time ago, perhaps. Perhaps not.

Like the saying goes, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 10:27:27 PM 3 votes

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quote:

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We don't have objective journalism anymore. I don't know if we ever had honest debate in America. A long time ago, perhaps. Perhaps not.

Well said. A simple truth, simply put.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/12/2021 10:36:39 PM

bohumm

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

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We don't have objective journalism anymore. I don't know if we ever had honest debate in America. A long time ago, perhaps. Perhaps not.

Well said. A simple truth, simply put.

"Truth"? There is definitely objective journalism, and there is journalism with a slant, and there is sheer propaganda. This is like "both sides," "throw them all out," "the truth is in between," etc. Feels good to say, some merit to it, but mostly pablum.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/13/2021 9:25:41 AM 2 votes

Lynn G.

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Bohumm, you're on a roll here. Both by showing the hypocrisy of a particular poster who claims he's put off by other posts, and by the objection to the overreaching statement that we don't have objective journalism anymore. Anyone who believes that has not been looking around enough, or is just parroting what he reads on message boards.

We have an abundance of honest, hard-working, serious, and principalled journalists. Just because they might report something that bothers you doesn't mean they're not objective.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/13/2021 10:48:41 AM 2 votes

Bill Johanesen

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We don't have objective journalism anymore. I don't know if we ever had honest debate in America. A long time ago, perhaps. Perhaps not.

Says the guy who 'posts' with cherry-picked Twitter stats created by others.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 10:03:10 AM

Bruce Johnson

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Am I really so strange to suggest that we need to get back to normal as quickly as we reasonably can?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/21/study-nfl-fans-college-football-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0Fb3wBoRrxAQX6Sdbz8fLMCh06V6Bwouk253d1ImiOcFvggxgeG18hzH4

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 11:31:18 AM 1 votes

bohumm

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Am I really so strange to suggest that we need to get back to normal as quickly as we reasonably can?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/21/study-nfl-fans-college-football-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0Fb3wBoRrxAQX6Sdbz8fLMCh06V6Bwouk253d1ImiOcFvggxgeG18hzH4

I think everyone agrees that we need to get back to normal as quickly as we reasonably can; the issue is how quickly is reasonable? Football went better than feared by many, including me. The crowd part was secondary to me; it's relatively easy to distance outdoors, even in a confined space. Having the college players on campus, in locker rooms and other facilities was reckless, and there were definitely a lot of problems caused by this for players and others, though it's very hard to quantify. Sorry, but a single study in a biased rag like the Daily Caller doesn't compel me.

One issue with "get(ting) back to normal as quickly as we reasonably can" is complacency, which I fear we're going to see next. We need to bring the curve way down to have any hope for herd immunity sooner rather than later, and it looks like we're flattening at around double where we flattened in the fall, which was double where we flattened in the spring. The desire to get back to normal as quickly as we reasonably can is a big part of that.

It is essentially a cluster between the virus, its variants, vaccination rates, distancing and masking adherence, reopening pressures, legitimate needs, denial, and politics. Variation can't happen without spread, and the effectiveness of current vaccines and therapeutics vis a vis those variants will dictate when we can find our new normal, which is where this ends up....

We are never going back to the old normal.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 12:47:57 PM 1 votes

Bruce Johnson

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Reasonable to me would be to do everything to support the elderly and sick in lockdown. Everyone else should have the freedom to choose for themselves how to modify their lives. (ie. risk going to a football game or playing football or not)

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 12:54:26 PM

Mark Anderson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Am I really so strange to suggest that we need to get back to normal as quickly as we reasonably can?

https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/21/study-nfl-fans-college-football-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0Fb3wBoRrxAQX6Sdbz8fLMCh06V6Bwouk253d1ImiOcFvggxgeG18hzH4

Normal in North Dakota and normal in NY or Minneapolis will be two very different things.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 2:50:07 PM

Todd M

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Reasonable to me would be to do everything to support the elderly and sick in lockdown. Everyone else should have the freedom to choose for themselves how to modify their lives. (ie. risk going to a football game or playing football or not)

Agree.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 5:13:33 PM 1 votes

Lynn G.

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Reasonable to me would be to do everything to support the elderly and sick in lockdown. Everyone else should have the freedom to choose for themselves how to modify their lives. (ie. risk going to a football game or playing football or not)

Normally I agree about people having choices to do what they want, even if their health is put at risk by their decisions.

But in a pandemic - it's everybody else's lives that are put at risk by their decisions, so I'm much less forgiving of people acting like complete turds when it might endanger the lives of my kids and grandkids.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 6:22:32 PM 1 votes

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Reasonable to me would be to do everything to support the elderly and sick in lockdown. Everyone else should have the freedom to choose for themselves how to modify their lives. (ie. risk going to a football game or playing football or not)

That attitude has gotten us 500,000 dead in just over 11 months. It's football. I'm as big of a football fan as anyone, but I'm not so jacked about it that I would risk me or my family's life. I can do without it for a year if I must.

This is one of the big problems with this country. Our sense of rugged individualism is more important to people than caring about others. Every country on the planet has the Coronavirus. Some have handled it amazingly well. Nobody has handled it worse than the US. Those that have handled it well are very family centered. We throw people out to pasture once they reach a certain age.

It's shameful, really, and says a lot about our values.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 7:17:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Reasonable to me would be to do everything to support the elderly and sick in lockdown. Everyone else should have the freedom to choose for themselves how to modify their lives. (ie. risk going to a football game or playing football or not)

That attitude has gotten us 500,000 dead in just over 11 months. It's football. I'm as big of a football fan as anyone, but I'm not so jacked about it that I would risk me or my family's life. I can do without it for a year if I must.

This is one of the big problems with this country. Our sense of rugged individualism is more important to people than caring about others. Every country on the planet has the Coronavirus. Some have handled it amazingly well. Nobody has handled it worse than the US. Those that have handled it well are very family centered. We throw people out to pasture once they reach a certain age.

It's shameful, really, and says a lot about our values.

united states also likely leads the world in obesity. i feel bad for nursing home residents. almost everybody else knows the risks and how to avoid the virus. Once the virus is offered to everybody as far as I am concerned that should just about be the end of it.

I also know my opinion don't mean a damn thing and what happens happens so I am not going to get butthurt over anybody's opinion.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 8:30:50 PM

Brad H

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If everyone had stayed home for three weeks and never left the house, the virus would have been gone in April. Impossible, I understand, but close to factual. How many would have starved to death over three weeks versus 11 months of misery and 500k dead? We don't live in a vacuum and the entire world would have to agree to participate, but it is what it is.

At the beginning the doctors said between 100,000-240,000 would die. I'd say we've radically underperformed as a nation. I never saw a half mil dying from this thing. It was the perfect storm of a dangerous virus mixed with an incredibly spoiled and entitled nation.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/21/2021 8:34:37 PM >

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/21/2021 11:16:05 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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It’s depressing to go back and read the first few pages of this thread..

It Explains to me, why we have over half a million dead, and yet some still want more..

Open up!!

Invite death into your house and schools, churches and everywhere else..

Don’t tread on me..

It’s not going away.. so embrace it.. gamble your life and the lives of people who you will never see again, just to get that steaks down lobster dinner on you anniversary..

Still.. we have this debate..

Still we have the “it’s nothing” crowd.
The “ get over it...”

I get it..

Kids are suffering in so many ways, businesses are suffering, some people haven’t worked in months, others have been worked to suicide and exhaustion..

Welcome to life in a third world health care system, presided over by “ for profit”..

how are those medical industry stocks and profits doing?

Anyone’s 401k dying over there?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/22/2021 1:51:15 AM

David F.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

It’s depressing to go back and read the first few pages of this thread..

It Explains to me, why we have over half a million dead, and yet some still want more..

Open up!!

Invite death into your house and schools, churches and everywhere else..

Don’t tread on me..

It’s not going away.. so embrace it.. gamble your life and the lives of people who you will never see again, just to get that steaks down lobster dinner on you anniversary..

Still.. we have this debate..

Still we have the “it’s nothing” crowd.
The “ get over it...”

I get it..

Kids are suffering in so many ways, businesses are suffering, some people haven’t worked in months, others have been worked to suicide and exhaustion..

Welcome to life in a third world health care system, presided over by “ for profit”..

how are those medical industry stocks and profits doing?

Anyone’s 401k dying over there?

I went back and reread the entire thread. Spoiler alert: There's a certain long-winded poster that looks a little foolish with his predictions and analysis of covid trends particularly in regards to the events that played out in South Dakota. I will admit I did enjoy the reread. Probably not the best use of my time but you know me...

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 2/22/2021 2:12:31 AM 1 votes

thebigo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

It’s depressing to go back and read the first few pages of this thread..

It Explains to me, why we have over half a million dead, and yet some still want more..

Open up!!

Invite death into your house and schools, churches and everywhere else..

Don’t tread on me..

It’s not going away.. so embrace it.. gamble your life and the lives of people who you will never see again, just to get that steaks down lobster dinner on you anniversary..

Still.. we have this debate..

Still we have the “it’s nothing” crowd.
The “ get over it...”

I get it..

Kids are suffering in so many ways, businesses are suffering, some people haven’t worked in months, others have been worked to suicide and exhaustion..

Welcome to life in a third world health care system, presided over by “ for profit”..

how are those medical industry stocks and profits doing?

Anyone’s 401k dying over there?

I went back and reread the entire thread. Spoiler alert: There's a certain long-winded poster that looks a little foolish with his predictions and analysis of covid trends particularly in regards to the events that played out in South Dakota. I will admit I did enjoy the reread. Probably not the best use of my time but you know me...