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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 3:48:21 PM   
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Rumor was that Mahomes had a bad Turf Toe so his mobility was somewhat hindered....they already planned offseason surgery on it.


The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says sources are telling him that Mahomes will see a foot specialist for his turf toe injury. #Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is expected to have surgery to repair his turf toe, sources say. But he'd like to win Super Bowl LV first. ... Turf toe is a sprain of the ligaments around the big toe.1 day ago


Not a rumor. They mentioned it constantly during the game.


Yep...but wouldn't a HC help out an injured QB and run the ball just a little bit (not Andy Reid). 5 rushes by RBs in the 1st half.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 4:27:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor was that Mahomes had a bad Turf Toe so his mobility was somewhat hindered....they already planned offseason surgery on it.


The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says sources are telling him that Mahomes will see a foot specialist for his turf toe injury. #Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is expected to have surgery to repair his turf toe, sources say. But he'd like to win Super Bowl LV first. ... Turf toe is a sprain of the ligaments around the big toe.1 day ago


Not a rumor. They mentioned it constantly during the game.

Mahommes definitely looked off. Probably a combination of the turf toe and the concussion he received in the divisional round. looked like he got hit in the helmet pretty good on one of them sacks.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 4:31:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.


Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.


I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.


He was sacked 22 times all year.

That's 23rd in the NFL.

He had a very good offensive line until the past few weeks where it was ravaged by injuries.

Mike Remmers was his starting LT...


The moment I read his 'sacked three-or-more times in five games' line I knew it was a cherry-picked stat. The timing was so predictable.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 4:36:20 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor was that Mahomes had a bad Turf Toe so his mobility was somewhat hindered....they already planned offseason surgery on it.


The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says sources are telling him that Mahomes will see a foot specialist for his turf toe injury. #Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is expected to have surgery to repair his turf toe, sources say. But he'd like to win Super Bowl LV first. ... Turf toe is a sprain of the ligaments around the big toe.1 day ago


Not a rumor. They mentioned it constantly during the game.

Mahommes definitely looked off. Probably a combination of the turf toe and the concussion he received in the divisional round. looked like he got hit in the helmet pretty good on one of them sacks.


Wow. So how do you explain his stat line against Buffalo?

29/38 325 8.6 ypa 3 TD 0 INT 1 sack

The likely hit on one of the sacks you mention was late in the game.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 6:16:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.


Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.


I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.


He was sacked 22 times all year.

That's 23rd in the NFL.

He had a very good offensive line until the past few weeks where it was ravaged by injuries.

Mike Remmers was his starting LT...

They did not have a good o-line all season. Their best interior guy opted out before the season and their rookie OT also opted out before the season. I watched a lot of KC games this year. Mahomes was making plays with his legs all season. Add in the injuries down the stretch and they were very depleted heading into the Super Bowl. I think they even mentioned it in the first quarter of the game, if not the first drive.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/8/2021 6:17:16 PM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 6:19:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.


Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.


I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.


He was sacked 22 times all year.

That's 23rd in the NFL.

He had a very good offensive line until the past few weeks where it was ravaged by injuries.

Mike Remmers was his starting LT...


The moment I read his 'sacked three-or-more times in five games' line I knew it was a cherry-picked stat. The timing was so predictable.

I guess you guys are right. Nobody was covered on the 49 passes he attempted. Give me a break. It's almost as if you have never watched the guy play before. That is what he does. He rarely throws from the pocket. The guy is freakishly good at it. He throws while back-peddling. He throws on the run. He throws while running left. He throws while running right. He throws while moving forward out of the pocket.

The difference this time around ... guys were covered.

It also doesn't hurt that Tampa has arguably the best linebacker unit in the league. Those guys can all run like the wind.

That's a talented defense all-around. It wasn't just the guys up front.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/8/2021 6:44:03 PM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 7:06:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.


Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.


I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.


He was sacked 22 times all year.

That's 23rd in the NFL.

He had a very good offensive line until the past few weeks where it was ravaged by injuries.

Mike Remmers was his starting LT...


The moment I read his 'sacked three-or-more times in five games' line I knew it was a cherry-picked stat. The timing was so predictable.

I guess you guys are right. Nobody was covered on the 49 passes he attempted. Give me a break. It's almost as if you have never watched the guy play before. That is what he does. He rarely throws from the pocket. The guy is freakishly good at it. He throws while back-peddling. He throws on the run. He throws while running left. He throws while running right. He throws while moving forward out of the pocket.

The difference this time around ... guys were covered.

It also doesn't hurt that Tampa has arguably the best linebacker unit in the league. Those guys can all run like the wind.

That's a talented defense all-around. It wasn't just the guys up front.


You just might need a break if you can't tell the difference between yesterday's pressure and what he faced every other game.

It wasn't close.

There is a difference between throwing on the move and running for your life and trying to wing it before getting crushed. He wasn't just not planting or changing his arm angel. He was throwing prayers with both feet off the ground and barely looking at his target. Even his completions were nowhere near where he wanted them to be. Its amazing he didn't have half a dozen picks.

He scrambled for 500 yards before throwing the ball yesterday.

Nobody has said the LBs and DBs played poorly. But he wasn't getting killed because of coverage. A 4 man rush was routinely a jail break. If they brought a blitzer he was on Mahomes before the ball even got to him.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 7:35:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.


Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.


I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.


He was sacked 22 times all year.

That's 23rd in the NFL.

He had a very good offensive line until the past few weeks where it was ravaged by injuries.

Mike Remmers was his starting LT...


The moment I read his 'sacked three-or-more times in five games' line I knew it was a cherry-picked stat. The timing was so predictable.

I guess you guys are right. Nobody was covered on the 49 passes he attempted. Give me a break. It's almost as if you have never watched the guy play before. That is what he does. He rarely throws from the pocket. The guy is freakishly good at it. He throws while back-peddling. He throws on the run. He throws while running left. He throws while running right. He throws while moving forward out of the pocket.

The difference this time around ... guys were covered.

It also doesn't hurt that Tampa has arguably the best linebacker unit in the league. Those guys can all run like the wind.

That's a talented defense all-around. It wasn't just the guys up front.


You just might need a break if you can't tell the difference between yesterday's pressure and what he faced every other game.

It wasn't close.

There is a difference between throwing on the move and running for your life and trying to wing it before getting crushed. He wasn't just not planting or changing his arm angel. He was throwing prayers with both feet off the ground and barely looking at his target. Even his completions were nowhere near where he wanted them to be. Its amazing he didn't have half a dozen picks.

He scrambled for 500 yards before throwing the ball yesterday.

Nobody has said the LBs and DBs played poorly. But he wasn't getting killed because of coverage. A 4 man rush was routinely a jail break. If they brought a blitzer he was on Mahomes before the ball even got to him.


Thanks for typing all that so I didn't have to.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 7:39:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor was that Mahomes had a bad Turf Toe so his mobility was somewhat hindered....they already planned offseason surgery on it.


The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says sources are telling him that Mahomes will see a foot specialist for his turf toe injury. #Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is expected to have surgery to repair his turf toe, sources say. But he'd like to win Super Bowl LV first. ... Turf toe is a sprain of the ligaments around the big toe.1 day ago


Not a rumor. They mentioned it constantly during the game.

Mahommes definitely looked off. Probably a combination of the turf toe and the concussion he received in the divisional round. looked like he got hit in the helmet pretty good on one of them sacks.


Wow. So how do you explain his stat line against Buffalo?

29/38 325 8.6 ypa 3 TD 0 INT 1 sack

The likely hit on one of the sacks you mention was late in the game.

I'm just saying he didn't look right the whole game.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/8/2021 9:42:38 PM   
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I heard that Tampa really studied Mahomes tendencies, and they mixed coverages well, and always had double coverage on Hill.

KC could use a stud WR, someone with size like Theilen would be a good compliment.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/9/2021 6:30:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.


Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.


I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.


He was sacked 22 times all year.

That's 23rd in the NFL.

He had a very good offensive line until the past few weeks where it was ravaged by injuries.

Mike Remmers was his starting LT...


The moment I read his 'sacked three-or-more times in five games' line I knew it was a cherry-picked stat. The timing was so predictable.

I guess you guys are right. Nobody was covered on the 49 passes he attempted. Give me a break. It's almost as if you have never watched the guy play before. That is what he does. He rarely throws from the pocket. The guy is freakishly good at it. He throws while back-peddling. He throws on the run. He throws while running left. He throws while running right. He throws while moving forward out of the pocket.

The difference this time around ... guys were covered.

It also doesn't hurt that Tampa has arguably the best linebacker unit in the league. Those guys can all run like the wind.

That's a talented defense all-around. It wasn't just the guys up front.


You just might need a break if you can't tell the difference between yesterday's pressure and what he faced every other game.

It wasn't close.

There is a difference between throwing on the move and running for your life and trying to wing it before getting crushed. He wasn't just not planting or changing his arm angel. He was throwing prayers with both feet off the ground and barely looking at his target. Even his completions were nowhere near where he wanted them to be. Its amazing he didn't have half a dozen picks.

He scrambled for 500 yards before throwing the ball yesterday.

Nobody has said the LBs and DBs played poorly. But he wasn't getting killed because of coverage. A 4 man rush was routinely a jail break. If they brought a blitzer he was on Mahomes before the ball even got to him.

When a guy gets beat up and pressured, it's easy to give credit to the guys up front. I never said they didn't play well. What I said was, they were helped by great coverage.

Kansas City has been mediocre (at-best) up front all season. Mahomes is one of the great scramblers in the game right now. He makes plays on the fly. It's what he does. It's very challenging for a defense to cover wide receivers for 6-7 seconds while he's running around trying to make a play. Nearly impossible to cover Tyreek Hill that long. They had those guys blanketed all day.

When Kansas City goes a game without scoring a touchdown, you can't just credit the 3-4 guys up front. That's what was thrown out there yesterday morning by some (not you, but others).

We'll probably have to agree to disagree. The entire defense played well on Sunday. I would have given the game MVP to Devin White. The kid is freakishly good.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/9/2021 6:33:12 AM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/9/2021 6:52:39 AM   
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I don't care if it is through the draft or free agency, they better have a new kicker on opening day. Bailey was 6-of-12 from beyond 40 yards, which ranked dead last in the league. He missed six extra points, which was tied for dead last.

How many games did he cost us in 2020?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/9/2021 7:23:23 AM   
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Good Job everyone....Brad baited you into talking about his favorite team (TB) for multiple pages on the draft thread.

Well Done Brad, Well Done.

3 Gopher Rookies (Johnson, Winfield, Damien Wilson)played in the SB. Not one a 1st round pick but all played relatively well.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/9/2021 11:32:06 AM   
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I don't care if it is through the draft or free agency, they better have a new kicker on opening day. Bailey was 6-of-12 from beyond 40 yards, which ranked dead last in the league. He missed six extra points, which was tied for dead last.

How many games did he cost us in 2020?


Here is the bio for the Lou Groza Award winner. Do any of you remember Lou Groza, by the way. I remember him as being a really big guy for a kicker.

https://miamihurricanes.com/roster/jose-borregales/

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/9/2021 11:39:19 AM   
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More on Groza: He was an offensive tackle as well as a kicker. I guess that's why he looked bigger to my eyes. In 1954 he was named the NFL's "Most Valuable Player". Imagine that! A kicker! For his career he converted less than 58% of his field goal kicks and while the extra points were only ten yards long then, he missed about 16 of them in his career which spanned three different decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Groza

I checked the stats for his MVP year. His longest field goal was 44 yards and he converted two thirds of his kicks. It was a different era then. He was on a championship team, though. (Cleveland Browns)

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/10/2021 2:12:48 PM   
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If you have a Top 10 guy like LB Parsons(PennSt.) available at #14 along with guys like Slater and Barmore, what do you do?

He's a possible Kahlil Mack type guy. Slater and Barmore fit needs almost perfectly but Parsons has a Superstar ceiling.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/10/2021 2:36:47 PM   
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If you have a Top 10 guy like LB Parsons(PennSt.) available at #14 along with guys like Slater and Barmore, what do you do?

He's a possible Kahlil Mack type guy. Slater and Barmore fit needs almost perfectly but Parsons has a Superstar ceiling.

He could be our new Anthony Barr
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/10/2021 2:40:16 PM   
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If you have a Top 10 guy like LB Parsons(PennSt.) available at #14 along with guys like Slater and Barmore, what do you do?

He's a possible Kahlil Mack type guy. Slater and Barmore fit needs almost perfectly but Parsons has a Superstar ceiling.

He could be our new Anthony Barr

If that's the case, no thanks. We need a guy who makes an impact every game.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/10/2021 3:20:34 PM   
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If you have a Top 10 guy like LB Parsons(PennSt.) available at #14 along with guys like Slater and Barmore, what do you do?

He's a possible Kahlil Mack type guy. Slater and Barmore fit needs almost perfectly but Parsons has a Superstar ceiling.


Pondered that as well. The projected talent difference compared to Slater & Barmore probably outweighs positional need.

But as another comparison, I would go with DE Paye over Parsons. Key position, need, and watching film of Paye he is agile and just explodes to the QB. 6'4", 272. Of course Parsons looks like he has CB speed.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/10/2021 4:34:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

If you have a Top 10 guy like LB Parsons(PennSt.) available at #14 along with guys like Slater and Barmore, what do you do?

He's a possible Kahlil Mack type guy. Slater and Barmore fit needs almost perfectly but Parsons has a Superstar ceiling.

He could be our new Anthony Barr.

If that's the case, no thanks. We need a guy who makes an impact every game.


Maybe I should have added that face initially.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/11/2021 6:21:06 PM   
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The one prospect I absolutely hate seeing mocked to Minnesota at 14? Gregory Rousseau.

multiple reasons...
-not one of my top 3 EDGEs
-the total opposite of what we need (immediate contributors)
-better players that are better fits

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/11/2021 9:28:00 PM   
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If you have a Top 10 guy like LB Parsons(PennSt.) available at #14 along with guys like Slater and Barmore, what do you do?

He's a possible Kahlil Mack type guy. Slater and Barmore fit needs almost perfectly but Parsons has a Superstar ceiling.

If Parsons is a Kalih Mack type that makes him more of a Hunter replacement than a Barr replacement.

Unless Zim plans to use him incorrectly as well.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/11/2021 9:33:20 PM   
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The one prospect I absolutely hate seeing mocked to Minnesota at 14? Gregory Rousseau.

multiple reasons...
-not one of my top 3 EDGEs
-the total opposite of what we need (immediate contributors)
-better players that are better fits

Spencer Thompson on Twitter

I heard the guy oppo him has better production. I can't fathom Miami having two of the three top edge rushers in the draft yet the team sucks at football.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/12/2021 8:06:19 AM   
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The one prospect I absolutely hate seeing mocked to Minnesota at 14? Gregory Rousseau.

multiple reasons...
-not one of my top 3 EDGEs
-the total opposite of what we need (immediate contributors)
-better players that are better fits

Spencer Thompson on Twitter

I heard the guy oppo him has better production. I can't fathom Miami having two of the three top edge rushers in the draft yet the team sucks at football.


Rousseau opted out last year. His projections by armchair draft experts are mostly based on his ceiling because he had a good freshman year.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/13/2021 8:41:15 AM   
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Current EDGE rankings (about halfway done)

1*: Kwity Paye (Early 1)
2: Carlos Basham Jr (Early 1)
3*: Azeez Ojulari (Late 1)
4*: Jaelan Phillips (Late 1)
5: Ronnie Perkins (Early 2)
6*: Gregory Rousseau (Mid 2)
7: Quincy Roche (Fringe 2)
8*: Patrick Jones (Early 3)

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