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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I propose that skill wise we have avg TE's. I think your downgrading them w/o allowing for their blocking assignments taking away from their #'s

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniel Jeremia mocking us Devonta Smith.

I feel comfortable betting there's no way we go WR in the 1st. Nevermind a twig.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniel Jeremia mocking us Devonta Smith.

I feel comfortable betting there's no way we go WR in the 1st. Nevermind a twig.

i can understand that sentiment. I think the counter is our WR depth is probably worst in the league. After our first 2 we are really god awful. Thielen is older than most folks realize, and depending on how things shake out, could be on his last couple years with team. Contract/age, etc.

I'm putting my chips that Smith is more Marvin Harrison than bust. One things that stuck out to me, is exactly how wide open this guy gets. Against top competition, this guy just blows away coverage. This is not Treadwell making a bunch of contested catches at Ole Miss, this guy is a freak football player.

Jefferson/Smith could give us an unreal dynamic due of the next 10 years.

Thielen/Jefferson/Smith/Cook gives the team a potential unstoppable offense for the next couple years. Even with a mediocre OLine

Not saying it the 100% right thing to do, but I see the merrit in it.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Barmore seems to be a great meeting of talent and need. I say WR is a big pass. I don't see any scenario where we can justify taking Smith.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Assuming the top 4 QBs, WRs Chase and Smith, OTs Sewell and Slater, top TE, LB Parsons, one of Surtain/Farley (11 players) are gone, who do you pick if the following are available?

Vera-Tucker
Darrisaw
Paye
Rousseau
Barmore
Surtain or Farley
Waddle
Other?

Trade down?
Trade up?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Assuming the top 4 QBs, WRs Chase and Smith, OTs Sewell and Slater, top TE, LB Parsons, one of Surtain/Farley (11 players) are gone, who do you pick if the following are available?

Vera-Tucker
Darrisaw
Paye
Rousseau
Barmore
Surtain or Farley
Waddle
Other?

Trade down?
Trade up?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

We also had a loaded roster to begin with and arguably the greatest O-Line in team history.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

We also had a loaded roster to begin with and arguably the greatest O-Line in team history.

And that line had the human False Start Penalty Todd Steussie.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

We also had a loaded roster to begin with and arguably the greatest O-Line in team history.

And that line had the human False Start Penalty Todd Steussie.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

See what happens if you try to trade Dalvin Cook to the Jets for the #2 pick.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

See what happens if you try to trade Dalvin Cook to the Jets for the #2 pick.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

See what happens if you try to trade Dalvin Cook to the Jets for the #2 pick.

Besides us taking a massive cap hit?

Its rough trading a high salary guy immediately after signing him...