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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

In my most recent simulation, Barmore was gone at 14, so I traded back twice and got a speed DE at 20. Traded up three times and got the highest ranked G I wanted at 33, and the 2nd best DT at 44, and the S I wanted at 81. Added a CB at 90 and Tutu as my slot WR at 98, had to overpay a little as the Chargers drove a hard bargain but I was afraid the team behind them would take him and I had the picks and most of my needs already met, so I paid them.

I rounded out the draft with depth at TE, LB, CB, and S. 10 picks total, 6 in the top 100 and all better than 173.

Thoughts?


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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

In my most recent simulation, Barmore was gone at 14, so I traded back twice and got a speed DE at 20. Traded up three times and got the highest ranked G I wanted at 33, and the 2nd best DT at 44, and the S I wanted at 81. Added a CB at 90 and Tutu as my slot WR at 98, had to overpay a little as the Chargers drove a hard bargain but I was afraid the team behind them would take him and I had the picks and most of my needs already met, so I paid them.

I rounded out the draft with depth at TE, LB, CB, and S. 10 picks total, 6 in the top 100 and all better than 173.

Thoughts?


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You obviously thought about this way more than I. Kinda fun though. Beats talking about Ted Cruz all day.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

In my most recent simulation, Barmore was gone at 14, so I traded back twice and got a speed DE at 20. Traded up three times and got the highest ranked G I wanted at 33, and the 2nd best DT at 44, and the S I wanted at 81. Added a CB at 90 and Tutu as my slot WR at 98, had to overpay a little as the Chargers drove a hard bargain but I was afraid the team behind them would take him and I had the picks and most of my needs already met, so I paid them.

I rounded out the draft with depth at TE, LB, CB, and S. 10 picks total, 6 in the top 100 and all better than 173.

Thoughts?


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You obviously thought about this way more than I. Kinda fun though. Beats talking about Ted Cruz all day.

It is fun, I've been through it probably 8 times in the last 2 days. I just wish I had better intel on the players. I'm not subscribing to get it.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The last time we took a wr when didn't have the need we went 15-1

Pretty sure we didn't need KJ Osborne in the 5th round last season and we went 7-9.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I've been doing a lot of PFF draft simulations the last couple of days. Sometimes with some very surprisingly good results. Sometimes kind of disappointing, but my grades are always B+ or B. Sometimes I pretty much stand pat and other times I trade a lot.

When I trade a lot, my general goal is to maximize picks in the top 100. I've gotten as many as 6 a couple of times. (6 in the top 78 once, with 5 after 135.)

I admit I don't know much about most of the players, so I'm relying on the PFF grade and description, size, position, school to try and make my picks.

Based on the PFF grades, two of our top areas of need (G, and DT) have 2 clear favorites, with quite a drop off after.

At DT, Barmore is ranked 14th, the next best is 47.
At G, Wyatt Davis is 35, the next best is 90. If you assume a C should be able to also play G, there are 2 options at 43 and 69. If we miss on those I think Kendrick Green from Illinois at 112 might work too.
I think Safety is also a top need, to replace Harris. There is one S with a 17 rank, and 5 Safeties between 42 and 68. Then there is the one I think I'd target ranked 81, Jamien Sherwood from Auburn.

I try to fill those 3 positions within my 1st 4 picks without reaching too much.

Our first 4 picks are at 14, 78, 90 and 119.

Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's. There have been a few times I picked Barmore at 14 and a few times, I've been able to trade back and still get him.

A couple of times I ended up with both him, at the OSU G Wyatt Davis, but it takes some wheeling and dealing to get it done. If trader Rick could end up with the best DT and best G in the draft that would be a great outcome. Per the simulator, it's possible, and I didn't have to give away the draft to do it.

For receiver upgrade, I've looked for Jaelon Darden around 87 or Tutu Atwell around 113. Both smaller, quick, slot guys who would be an upgrade to Bebe. If I miss those there are a couple 6'4" receivers at 136 and 143 that might be worth a look for height mismatches.

One question about the PFF simulator. There are some settings they allow you to change that affect how the draft goes. Any idea what settings would yield the most realistic outcomes?

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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

If I was running the draft, I would try to acquire the first picks in round 2 and round 4. That would give you the first picks on day 2 and day 3 and put you in a great position to acquire some additional picks in rounds 2 and 3.
I think you could get a good DE pick (Michigan's Kwitty Paye) with the 21st pick, so if they trade down from 14 for picks 21, 33 (top of round 2, and 97 or whatever pick tops round 4), you could end up getting a couple of picks in rounds 2 and 4 to go with their current two picks in round 3. According to the NFL trade value chart, the team should be able to get the 21 pick, the 33 pick and the 97 pick by giving up picks 14, 78, 90 and 120. That would give the Vikes 5 of the top 100 picks. (DE, S, G, QB, WR)
The good thing about picks 33 and 97 is that there will be teams that will overpay to get them so that they can be assured of getting the player they wand when they are starting the picking on Friday and Saturday.
The Vikings could make it work by trading with the Jax who currently have the top picks in rounds 2 and 3.
With some compensatory picks coming in after round 3, the actual # for the top of round 4 would probably be closer to 107.
It would be great to get 3 starters out of this draft - DE, S, and G.

Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

DE - Kwitty Paye, Michigan
S - Trevon Moehrig, TCU
G- Aaron Banks, Notre Dame

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Pre draft trade:

I got Jacksonville to part with 25, 33, 45 and 65 for 14, 78, 90, and 119

I know there are multiple charts out there, but the one I looked at had me getting 2015 pts to there 1496. I think that is a good deal.

Looking forward to see who I can get with these picks. Barmore probably out of reach, but I did get him in the 20's once or twice, might trade up if he drops.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Pre draft trade:

I got Jacksonville to part with 25, 33, 45 and 65 for 14, 78, 90, and 119

I know there are multiple charts out there, but the one I looked at had me getting 2015 pts to there 1496. I think that is a good deal.

Looking forward to see who I can get with these picks. Barmore probably out of reach, but I did get him in the 20's once or twice, might trade up if he drops.

Draft didn't fall my way for the most part after the trade.

I did get the best CB at 25 and the 2nd best DE at 33, so tremendous value there. I got the best G at 35. I got a LB graded 45 at 65 and a DT graded 76 at 86. A WR graded 83 at 107, a saftey graded 148 at 158 and C graded 141 at 172.

Only 8 picks in this draft, the least of all my attempts, but I got good value based on the grades throughout the draft and addressed all the major needs. Would like to have gotten a better S and possibly 2, but the guy I liked in the 80's went at 62.

BTW, I think the letter grades the system assigns suck.


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Barmore is ranked 14th by PFF, so he fits our pick by value and need. There have been a few times in the simulation where he's been gone by the time I picked, in which case I usually trade back and often end up with Surtain and the picks I need to get the G in the low 30's and the 2nd best DT in the 40's.

Based on these mocks, that is amazing. Where does PFF rank Surtain?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Just did it taking only the top offensive or defensive lineman on the board. We're now loaded in the trenches. B Grade

Two Northern Iowa guys? Who knew?


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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

If I was running the draft, I would try to acquire the first picks in round 2 and round 4. That would give you the first picks on day 2 and day 3 and put you in a great position to acquire some additional picks in rounds 2 and 3.
I think you could get a good DE pick (Michigan's Kwitty Paye) with the 21st pick, so if they trade down from 14 for picks 21, 33 (top of round 2, and 97 or whatever pick tops round 4), you could end up getting a couple of picks in rounds 2 and 4 to go with their current two picks in round 3. According to the NFL trade value chart, the team should be able to get the 21 pick, the 33 pick and the 97 pick by giving up picks 14, 78, 90 and 120. That would give the Vikes 5 of the top 100 picks. (DE, S, G, QB, WR)
The good thing about picks 33 and 97 is that there will be teams that will overpay to get them so that they can be assured of getting the player they wand when they are starting the picking on Friday and Saturday.
The Vikings could make it work by trading with the Jax who currently have the top picks in rounds 2 and 3.
With some compensatory picks coming in after round 3, the actual # for the top of round 4 would probably be closer to 107.
It would be great to get 3 starters out of this draft - DE, S, and G.

Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Just did it taking only the top offensive or defensive lineman on the board. We're now loaded in the trenches. B Grade

Two Northern Iowa guys? Who knew?


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It looked pretty good until you drafted the 3 guys in a row with ED. I didn't think they even checked for that at the combine.