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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/23/2021 7:32:57 PM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/23/2021 9:34:06 PM

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The #Vikings have to forfeit their seventh round draft pick because of a salary cap violation related to a practice squad player in 2019. Three executives also fined $10,000 each: https://startribune.com/vikings-lose-seventh-round-draft-pick-for-salary-cap-violation/600036383/

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Spielman's worst nightmare!

Maybe it was a passive aggressive move on the executive’s part.

Bottom line is that the Vikings have 7 picks in the first 4 rounds and 11 overall. There is no reason for Spielman to trade down for extra picks.

Just watch. he will

I just don't see how we don't trade up at some point. two 3rds, four 4ths, two 5ths

We need a 2nd, however we get there. I also want to see some of this capital traded for value in the 2022 draft. I would take a 3rd and trade for a 2nd next year. And a 4th for a 2nd.

I would do this consistently each year - always some suck GM playing for now.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/23/2021 9:59:48 PM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

If we traded for Fisher it would basically be a 1 yr deal worth about 9M.

Can we afford this? According to over the cap we have 10M in space right now. If we traded for him we'd have to do more restructures (kicking the can down the road) just to have rookie space.

And we'd be done in FA, probably - unless we kick the can down the road. No vet S, G,etc.

Count me out.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/23/2021 10:23:45 PM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

If we traded for Fisher it would basically be a 1 yr deal worth about 9M.

Can we afford this? According to over the cap we have 10M in space right now. If we traded for him we'd have to do more restructures (kicking the can down the road) just to have rookie space.

And we'd be done in FA, probably - unless we kick the can down the road. No vet S, G,etc.

Count me out.

Chiefs cut Fisher. He's a FA.

But, ruptured achilles. Supposedly back by mid August. Seems kind of quick for that injury.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 1:46:09 AM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

If we traded for Fisher it would basically be a 1 yr deal worth about 9M.

Can we afford this? According to over the cap we have 10M in space right now. If we traded for him we'd have to do more restructures (kicking the can down the road) just to have rookie space.

And we'd be done in FA, probably - unless we kick the can down the road. No vet S, G,etc.

Count me out.

Chiefs cut Fisher. He's a FA.

But, ruptured achilles. Supposedly back by mid August. Seems kind of quick for that injury.

"In his latest mock behind the great E$PN paywall, Kiper has the Vikings making a trade up to the #9 spot in the draft, swapping places with the Denver Broncos. Kiper doesn’t detail the terms of the trade, except to say that it “would likely cost at least Minnesota’s second-rounder in 2022 and likely more.”

So, who is the player worth expending this much draft capital on? The answer is Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell, who has fallen all the way to #9 in this scenario."...thedailynorsman

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 3:47:01 AM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

If we traded for Fisher it would basically be a 1 yr deal worth about 9M.

Can we afford this? According to over the cap we have 10M in space right now. If we traded for him we'd have to do more restructures (kicking the can down the road) just to have rookie space.

And we'd be done in FA, probably - unless we kick the can down the road. No vet S, G,etc.

Count me out.

Chiefs cut Fisher. He's a FA.

But, ruptured achilles. Supposedly back by mid August. Seems kind of quick for that injury.

I don't do it for 9, especially if it's 9 million this year. We didn't do that for Reiff and we won't do it for Fisher coming off of an injury. I am enamored with those tackles surely available to us in the draft, so I would hesitate based on that, but if Fisher goes for close to six million I would have to give it serious consideration. I don't know enough about Fisher though, and I bet the Vikings are trying to get their arms around Fisher's situation and capabilities too.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 5:15:39 AM

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Twitter friend gave me this:

Both of them are scheme fits as they both have the desired athleticism for the zone scheme. Darrisaw has more power and has the length most teams look for in a LT but doesn't always finish blocks. Slater gives more effort and is technically more sound but is not as powerful

Another one told me he doesn't believe that Fisher will be ready to start the season. I had read before that perhaps he can start practicing in August.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 6:41:11 AM

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why are we trying to low-ball last season's IR list?...there are still a few decent FA guards out there - sign one (two) and draft a stud in the 1st and then Dickerson in the 3rd....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 7:11:39 AM

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Problem is we have no idea what the plan is for the oline. Here are the limited facts:

-When Rieff was sent home to consider his options from the pay cut prior to beginning of last season O'neal was shifted to LT in his absense during practice. I don't recall who was at RT.

-We also know Spielman has inquired with Balt about Orlando Brown's asking price. Was it just a feeler or is it serious we don't know.

-Moving Cleveland over to RG was a bit of a peculiar move. Are they grooming him there or is the plan to move him out to RT and O'Neal play LT.

Regardless it seems a bit of a waste of Cleveland's talents to be inside considering his frame and athletic ability.

"Facts" and "We...know" doing a lot of work here they have no business doing.....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 7:17:27 AM

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If I'm a coach, I look at someone who is not as "technically sound" and think that I can coach that up. Taking plays off or lacking effort is another thing, but that potentially can be corrected too. What you can't coach is size and athleticism. Advantage Darisaw.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 9:57:26 AM

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If I'm a coach, I look at someone who is not as "technically sound" and think that I can coach that up. Taking plays off or lacking effort is another thing, but that potentially can be corrected too. What you can't coach is size and athleticism. Advantage Darisaw.

Based on a players frame, you often can coach/train "size". And while you can't increase a players innate athletic ceiling, coaching/training can help to maximize the utilization of what athleticism is available to a player.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 11:20:24 AM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

If we traded for Fisher it would basically be a 1 yr deal worth about 9M.

Can we afford this? According to over the cap we have 10M in space right now. If we traded for him we'd have to do more restructures (kicking the can down the road) just to have rookie space.

And we'd be done in FA, probably - unless we kick the can down the road. No vet S, G,etc.

Count me out.

Chiefs cut Fisher. He's a FA.

But, ruptured achilles. Supposedly back by mid August. Seems kind of quick for that injury.

"In his latest mock behind the great E$PN paywall, Kiper has the Vikings making a trade up to the #9 spot in the draft, swapping places with the Denver Broncos. Kiper doesn’t detail the terms of the trade, except to say that it “would likely cost at least Minnesota’s second-rounder in 2022 and likely more.”

So, who is the player worth expending this much draft capital on? The answer is Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell, who has fallen all the way to #9 in this scenario."...thedailynorsman

I'd rather spend a 3rd and a 7th this year as opposed to a 2nd next year.

Still would leave us with 9 picks?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 11:40:30 AM

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I'm hearing that the Vikings are seriously considering Eric Fisher for LT. If that happens, what do you think of the Vikings going edge rusher (Paye or Rousseau) in the first and move up for a safety in the second round? Perhaps the idea would be to move Udoh inside to guard for the upcoming season.

Just speculating.

If we traded for Fisher it would basically be a 1 yr deal worth about 9M.

Can we afford this? According to over the cap we have 10M in space right now. If we traded for him we'd have to do more restructures (kicking the can down the road) just to have rookie space.

And we'd be done in FA, probably - unless we kick the can down the road. No vet S, G,etc.

Count me out.

Chiefs cut Fisher. He's a FA.

But, ruptured achilles. Supposedly back by mid August. Seems kind of quick for that injury.

"In his latest mock behind the great E$PN paywall, Kiper has the Vikings making a trade up to the #9 spot in the draft, swapping places with the Denver Broncos. Kiper doesn’t detail the terms of the trade, except to say that it “would likely cost at least Minnesota’s second-rounder in 2022 and likely more.”

So, who is the player worth expending this much draft capital on? The answer is Oregon offensive tackle Penei Sewell, who has fallen all the way to #9 in this scenario."...thedailynorsman

I'd rather spend a 3rd and a 7th this year as opposed to a 2nd next year.

Still would leave us with 9 picks?

I look at the draft pick trade chart sometimes, but there's no reference for "next year's" draft picks. I believe that generally you have to sacrifice an extra round if it's next year's draft pick, but I don't know if that's the established norm. Second round draft picks can often yield a player who "could have" been a first rounder, but who dropped to the second. I believe that there are some really good players in that part of the draft. Sometimes I think of it as a sweet spot. It's a bummer that we don't have a second rounder going into the draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 11:43:44 AM

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If I'm a coach, I look at someone who is not as "technically sound" and think that I can coach that up. Taking plays off or lacking effort is another thing, but that potentially can be corrected too. What you can't coach is size and athleticism. Advantage Darisaw.

Based on a players frame, you often can coach/train "size". And while you can't increase a players innate athletic ceiling, coaching/training can help to maximize the utilization of what athleticism is available to a player.

Coaching matters. That's why I blame coaching for the team not developing more offensive linemen.

I do like Slater too, though. I will be happy with him or Darrisaw. I wish we had a different offensive line coach, though. I bet we all do here.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 11:44:29 AM

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If Sewell falls to 9 it will because of all the top QB prospects available.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 11:48:44 AM

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I saw one mock draft that had Sewell being drafted by the Jets at #2!
He has been projected by many as very capable of playing Tackle or Guard. I'd sure take him at him at 9.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 12:28:47 PM

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My comments from my Twitter friend:

Slater to his credit completely erased Chase Young whos 2 inches taller using hand placement. He gets his hands in your chest and its over. Darrisaw also erases people and it looks effortless. Some say he doesn't finish because at times his competition was inferior. Bottom line though we can't go wrong. Darrisaws effort really wasn't an issue when he played top competition and thats what he'd see in the NFL so I think he'd be up for those games. Slater has not been hindered by his size. Tbey both cam get it done despite these nit-pickings.

(Vikings Spin on Twitter)

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 12:33:21 PM

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Someone can help me understand the technical part of this, but this is really interesting.

Alijah Vera-Tucker is a OT prospect in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 9.17 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 93 out of 1112 OT from 1987 to 2021.

Splits projected, times unofficial. Waiting on agi.

(Kent Lee Platte on Twitter)

More on Vera-Tucker from Jordan Reid on Twitter

Alijah Vera-Tucker

• HT: 6044
• WT: 308
• Arm: 32 1/8
• Hand: 9 5/8
• Wing: 76 7/8
• 40: 5.05 / 5.08
• 10-Yd. Split: 1.77 / 1.82
• Broad: 8-10
• Vert: 32
• SS: 4.70
• 3-Cone: 7.67
• Bench: 36 reps

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 12:38:57 PM

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You know I like big boards and Jordan Reid came out with his latest. Interesting to note that he only gives 22 players a first round grade. Check it out:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-big-board-reid-top-50-march

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 12:46:29 PM

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This is Reid's capsule on Slater:

The son of an eight-year NBA veteran, Slater’s athleticism is the singular trait that his entire game revolves around. One of the signature moments of his career came against Chase Young where he was consistently able to stymie the eventual No. 2 overall pick of the 2020 draft. Slater’s quick feet, strength, and smarts make him an easy projection to the next level. At which position is where the biggest debates will come about him. Measuring with 33-inch arms at his Pro Day didn’t silence any of those thoughts as there are some evaluators that believe his potential will be unleashed more at guard, but I’m of the belief that Slater must be tried as an offensive tackle first and prove that he can’t survive there prior to sliding him inside. Regardless, he’s a prospect that has the potential to thrive at all five spots along the offensive front.

And surprisingly he has Vera-Tucker ahead of Darrisaw. Here is Vera-Tucker:

In back-to-back seasons, Vera-Tucker has gained experience at both guard and offensive tackle. As a result, his stock has increased exponentially. An above-average athlete, Vera-Tucker seems to always remain on balance, but it’s his hand strength, advanced technique, and awareness that make him one of the more versatile blockers of this draft class. Opinions will vary where his best positional outlook may be. He seems to have more upside as a guard, but it shouldn’t be surprising if some teams have him graded as a tackle. Vera-Tucker is a plug-and-play option that could thrive immediately as a starter in a zone-based blocking scheme.

And Darrisaw:

Manning the left tackle spot since entering Blacksburg, Darrisaw turned into a stalwart for the Hokies’ offensive front. As an underrecruited prospect, he originally attended Fork Union Military College where he attributes his growth and the start of his maturation process. The least talked about player of the 26-man 2018 recruiting class turned out to be the best as he started in all 34 games that he appeared in. Playing at his own tempo, Darrisaw is a powerful and scheme-proof type of offensive tackle that can thrive right away in a gap-power or zone blocking scheme. Taking his size, play temperament, and upside, he’s reminiscent of another former Hokies first-round offensive tackle in Duane Brown.

Also worth pointing out is that he has Ojulari as his best edge rushing prospect, just ahead of Paye. That's interesting. Everybody I hear talking about Ojulari says that they really like him a lot!

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 1:05:08 PM

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I don't know if I'm posting too much information, but here's more opinion on the offensive tackles. It looks really good, but I'm too tired to read it now. Later. But for those of you who can't get enough.

https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/article/rankings/2021-nfl-draft-ot-rankings

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 1:10:09 PM

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What a train wreck is this. He was one of the top picks in the draft I believe just a year ago.

Authorities in Barrow County said former University of Georgia and NFL offensive lineman Isaiah Wilson was arrested in January when he fled from law enforcement at speeds of 140 mph and was caught with drugs in his car. https://fox5atlanta.com/news/report-isaiah-wilson-arrested-in-january-after-high-speed-chase?taid=605b7aaebd33910001905329&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 1:15:16 PM

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Rondale Moore jumping out of the gym with his vertical leap:

https://twitter.com/thorku/status/1374363639080189954?s=20

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 1:27:55 PM

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Rondale Moore jumping out of the gym with his vertical leap:

https://twitter.com/thorku/status/1374363639080189954?s=20

My lord... it doesn't look possible to jump as high as he did...

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 3/24/2021 5:26:13 PM

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In basketball terms that is like spud Webb’s 46 inch vertical...

Spud was 5’7” tall

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