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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/17/2021 4:21:12 PM

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Over the course of the last 20 years, can you name which three schools the #Vikings have selected most of their players from during the NFL Draft?

(Purple Post on Twitter)

I have the answer for you, but would you like me to wait for your guesses?

I would guess Notre Dame, UCLA and The Ohio State University.

Florida. South Carolina. USC. On Twitter many other people guessed your three schools, so they must have been high on the list too.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/17/2021 4:49:28 PM

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Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 4/17/2021 5:11:12 PM >

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/17/2021 5:13:35 PM

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1. Notre Dame, 69 points
Florida, 66.
Alabama, 56.
Ohio State, 54.
USC, 51.
Oklahoma, 49.
Iowa, 44.
Texas A&M, 41.
Stanford, 38.

Or

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-teams-best-offensive-linemen-148182028/#148182028_2

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/17/2021 5:40:29 PM

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Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/17/2021 5:45:36 PM

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"The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14."

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I support that 100%

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 12:06:58 AM

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"The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14."

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I support that 100%

You will like this then. He says that Vera-Tucker is worthy of a slight trade up. Spencer Thompson worked very hard for this. I will call it a qualitative ranking with big opinions.

https://twitter.com/ThompsonNFL/status/1383634440170053637?s=19

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 4/18/2021 12:08:30 AM >

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 12:16:20 AM

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Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 8:58:36 AM

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Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I read an article in the Bleecher Report about Barmore being the player most likely to be over drafted. His stock appears to be dropping with the "draft experts".

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 9:08:13 AM

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Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I read an article in the Bleecher Report about Barmore being the player most likely to be over drafted. His stock appears to be dropping with the "draft experts".

I could handle this.

#14 AVT, Slater or Darrisaw
#78 Barmore

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 9:14:10 AM

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I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+.
I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that.
Ended up with an A- grade overall.

I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason.

PFF overvalues QB's in their grading.

Chris Simms who I greatly respect has Mac Jones as without a doubt the best player in the draft. I would be thrilled if we got him at 14.

NFL.com makes Mac Jones sound somewhat like Christian Ponder:

Doesn't play with the desired poise of an NFL starter.
Antsy when reads don't quickly come together.
Play can be panicky and rushed in the face of pressure.
Has trouble locating open targets in direction where heat is coming from.

Granted, they list many positives, but these are worrisome.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 9:16:43 AM

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I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+.
I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that.
Ended up with an A- grade overall.

I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason.

PFF overvalues QB's in their grading.

Chris Simms who I greatly respect has Mac Jones as without a doubt the best player in the draft. I would be thrilled if we got him at 14.

NFL.com makes Mac Jones sound somewhat like Christian Ponder:

Doesn't play with the desired poise of an NFL starter.
Antsy when reads don't quickly come together.
Play can be panicky and rushed in the face of pressure.
Has trouble locating open targets in direction where heat is coming from.

Granted, they list many positives, but these are worrisome.

I'm not against Mac Jones.

But, if Davis Mills(Stanford) went to Alabama, would he be mentioned as a Top 10 guy? Probably. Because his stats would be off the charts.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 4/18/2021 9:18:08 AM >

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 9:43:46 AM

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I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+.
I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that.
Ended up with an A- grade overall.

I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason.

PFF overvalues QB's in their grading.

Chris Simms who I greatly respect has Mac Jones as without a doubt the best player in the draft. I would be thrilled if we got him at 14.

NFL.com makes Mac Jones sound somewhat like Christian Ponder:

Doesn't play with the desired poise of an NFL starter.
Antsy when reads don't quickly come together.
Play can be panicky and rushed in the face of pressure.
Has trouble locating open targets in direction where heat is coming from.

Granted, they list many positives, but these are worrisome.

I'm not against Mac Jones.

But, if Davis Mills(Stanford) went to Alabama, would he be mentioned as a Top 10 guy? Probably. Because his stats would be off the charts.

I agree that Mills has plenty of untapped ability.

Coincidentally, Mills is from the same high school as my daughter. The northern Atlanta suburbs and beyond are amazing as far as QB talent. Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Fields are also from around here. Even Kyle Sloter

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 3:43:35 PM

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 3:58:39 PM

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Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I would not draft Phillips before the 4th rd., if at all. The concussions are huge ... he also quit football for godsakes before returning / transferring schools.

"On August 16, 1999, Underwood was claimed off waivers by the Miami Dolphins as 23 teams passed on him. He ... played in only one preseason game before injuring his shoulder and also showing a lack of focus on football. Multiple times during team meetings, Underwood was found not taking notes, but instead writing about the apocalypse."

Spielman and Zimmer are facing their own purple end of times, if they don't get this draft right.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 5:18:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I would not draft Phillips before the 4th rd., if at all. The concussions are huge ... he also quit football for godsakes before returning / transferring schools.

"On August 16, 1999, Underwood was claimed off waivers by the Miami Dolphins as 23 teams passed on him. He ... played in only one preseason game before injuring his shoulder and also showing a lack of focus on football. Multiple times during team meetings, Underwood was found not taking notes, but instead writing about the apocalypse."

Spielman and Zimmer are facing their own purple end of times, if they don't get this draft right.

Yeah. Great point.

When we pick DE, Paye or wait til 3rd or 4th round.

Paye seems like the hungry type who will work for everything he gets. I've said it before, his body type reminds me of John Randle.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 6:06:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I would not draft Phillips before the 4th rd., if at all. The concussions are huge ... he also quit football for godsakes before returning / transferring schools.

"On August 16, 1999, Underwood was claimed off waivers by the Miami Dolphins as 23 teams passed on him. He ... played in only one preseason game before injuring his shoulder and also showing a lack of focus on football. Multiple times during team meetings, Underwood was found not taking notes, but instead writing about the apocalypse."

Spielman and Zimmer are facing their own purple end of times, if they don't get this draft right.

Yeah. Great point.

When we pick DE, Paye or wait til 3rd or 4th round.

Paye seems like the hungry type who will work for everything he gets. I've said it before, his body type reminds me of John Randle.

Heavy chain around his waist at weigh in and all?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 6:14:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I would not draft Phillips before the 4th rd., if at all. The concussions are huge ... he also quit football for godsakes before returning / transferring schools.

"On August 16, 1999, Underwood was claimed off waivers by the Miami Dolphins as 23 teams passed on him. He ... played in only one preseason game before injuring his shoulder and also showing a lack of focus on football. Multiple times during team meetings, Underwood was found not taking notes, but instead writing about the apocalypse."

Spielman and Zimmer are facing their own purple end of times, if they don't get this draft right.

Yeah. Great point.

When we pick DE, Paye or wait til 3rd or 4th round.

Paye seems like the hungry type who will work for everything he gets. I've said it before, his body type reminds me of John Randle.

Heavy chain around his waist at weigh in and all?

Who??

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/18/2021 8:48:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Thinking that there's a high chance that one of these players will be drafted by the Vikings early, I found this fascinating. Some people like Chris Simms a lot on his draft perspectives. He says, in particular, that his number one guy (Phillips) should go between 10 and 20. Of course that's right where our team selects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxyjpzElJE

Here's his offensive line rankings. What stands out to me is that he has Slater as his fifth offensive lineman. He says that he gets pushed around a bit. I don't like the sound of that. The way he speaks of Vera-Tucker it makes me think that I will be good if the Vikings select him even at #14. Best pure pass protector and most overall athletic is how describes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpUBdv_xRg

If Slater gets pushed around, he'll fit right in at guard. We like our guards lanky athletic and lacking in lower body strength.

Thompson also has Phillips rated as worthy of a slight trade up. Surprising. And Barmore as a third rounder. Shocking, but I love to see big opinions based on film review. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Leber because he is watching film too.

I would not draft Phillips before the 4th rd., if at all. The concussions are huge ... he also quit football for godsakes before returning / transferring schools.

"On August 16, 1999, Underwood was claimed off waivers by the Miami Dolphins as 23 teams passed on him. He ... played in only one preseason game before injuring his shoulder and also showing a lack of focus on football. Multiple times during team meetings, Underwood was found not taking notes, but instead writing about the apocalypse."

Spielman and Zimmer are facing their own purple end of times, if they don't get this draft right.

Yeah. Great point.

When we pick DE, Paye or wait til 3rd or 4th round.

Paye seems like the hungry type who will work for everything he gets. I've said it before, his body type reminds me of John Randle.

Heavy chain around his waist at weigh in and all?

Who??

From his wikipedia page

Randle went undrafted; he tried out for his brother's team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but was thought to be too small, and was not signed to a contract. The 6'1" 244-lbs. defensive lineman was picked up by the Vikings after the draft on the recommendation of Head Scout Don Deisch. Randle was told by the Vikings that he would only be picked up if he came back with his weight over 250 lbs, but he was at 244 lbs, so when he was weighed he hid a chain under his sweats to get his weight up.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 10:14:54 AM

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Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career.

Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously.

You're thinking of Batman.

Nope Bateman. I saw him mocked as early at 10 and late in the first, but never out of it.

My hunch is that he goes early in the second round, but I could be wrong. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

First mock I checked CBS

Round 1 - Pick 20
Rashod Bateman WR
MINNESOTA • SOPH • 6'2" / 210 LBS
PROJECTED TEAM
Chicago
PROSPECT RNK
34th
POSITION RNK
6th
Given the uncertainty with Allen Robinson's future, the Bears pick a wideout with similar characteristics to him for new starter Andy Dalton.

2nd mock I checked had Bateman falling out of the first round and this interesting Vikings trade back.

19
Minnesota Vikings
(via Washington)
TRADE
Christian Darrisaw
Virginia Tech · OT
Minnesota fills a big need by solidifying the left tackle position after Riley Reiff's exit.

Bateman's dropping because he's 6'0'' / 190 LBS whereas MN had him listed as 6'2'' / 210 LBS

That would do it. Did the NFL have official measurements done?

He was measured at Minnesota's pro day on April 1. He said he's never been 200+ (or 6'2" presumably).

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 10:18:08 AM

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I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+.
I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that.
Ended up with an A- grade overall.

I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason.

PFF overvalues QB's in their grading.

Chris Simms who I greatly respect has Mac Jones as without a doubt the best player in the draft. I would be thrilled if we got him at 14.

NFL.com makes Mac Jones sound somewhat like Christian Ponder:

Doesn't play with the desired poise of an NFL starter.
Antsy when reads don't quickly come together.
Play can be panicky and rushed in the face of pressure.
Has trouble locating open targets in direction where heat is coming from.

Granted, they list many positives, but these are worrisome.

Chris Simms has him as highly poised in all circumstances.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 11:20:34 AM

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 12:31:11 PM

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Who won’t be there and we don’t need..

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 12:35:34 PM

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Looking around at draft stuff, vikings.com pulls together some mocks ... there were a few things I found interesting (posted March 30 so its ancient):

https://www.vikings.com/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-tracker-5-0

Hasan's predicted pick at No. 78: Ben Cleveland, Guard, Georgia

"I can't think of a better way to make Vikings fans happier than double-dipping on the offensive line. Cleveland, like Cosmi, was a remarkable athletic tester. That testing didn't always show up on the field, and he won more with (a lot of) power than speed, but he was nevertheless an effective zone blocker and pass protector with more potential to unlock. Aside from the confusion of having a pair of guards named "Cleveland," I think Vikings fans might be relieved to see their team taking a big player and having him shed some pounds for movement capability rather than taking an undersized athlete and hoping he adds strength."

Please yes.

Hasan picks Sam Cosmi at #14 which is a real head scratcher. However, if and when we trade down or up and pick up a 2nd rd. pick ... I could see Cosmi being a target.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 1:06:19 PM

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Also, for all the BPA talk spilling out of the regime's mouth ...

Weren't #1 Jefferson (post Diggs), #1 Bradbury (post Elflein), #1 Cook (post Peterson), #1 Treadwell (nobody at the position), #1b Bridgewater (post Ponder) ... all huge need picks?

My memory isn't good ... but it seems like Hughes was the only 'pure' BPA #1 pick, with Barr and Waynes someone between BPA and Need.

Ofcourse, in Spielman's mind our biggest need is having no 7th rd pick ... but after that you have to assume, after totally committing to D in FA, he will go OT to replace Reiff ... which has been his MO.

That being said, don't be surprised if the networks give a pre-first round pick shot into our War Room and you see Zimmer and Patterson in little party hats, marching around the room stomping their feet, unrolling their little party blow tickler things at Spielman's head as they campaign for an edge rusher.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/19/2021 3:02:10 PM

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What will be your reaction if Cosmi is the pick at #14? I will feel utter despair. At #22 on a trade back I will say "let's go", but not at #14. That would be a reach.

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