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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/30/2021 4:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a very good article about the Vikings likely options for their first pick.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-2021-mock-draft-roundup-analyzing-expert-picks-14-rousseau

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/30/2021 5:52:17 PM   
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Status: online 		I like the idea of getting Slater, and then getting Sloter back.

I like the idea of keeping Cleveland at guard, unless they're pretty sure he'll be just as good at LT.

We don't want Sloter to be the next Weinicke.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/30/2021 5:53:44 PM   
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Status: online 		Rousseau looks like maybe another Griffen ? But on a couple of those highlights, someone else got there first, or at the same time.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/30/2021 9:44:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me, if we don't trade down with the 14th pick, I'd want to go with the BPA (not a QB). If it's Chase, so be it or one of the DT's or edge guys, even DB, Im fine with it. I don't look at this team as being set at any position except QB and maybe TE. The 14th pick will be a very talented guy, especially if the top four QB's go early. Take the best talent possible at 14, then to for needs with the all the 3's and 4's we have. Somebody really good will be available, I'd hate to see us go for a late first round/second round O-line guy, just to get what may persevere as the biggest need. can't go wrong with solid talent and at 14, we should get that!
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/31/2021 7:10:25 PM   
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I like the idea of getting Slater, and then getting Sloter back.



Slater and Sloter?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/31/2021 7:44:25 PM   
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I like the idea of getting Slater, and then getting Sloter back.



Slater and Sloter?

Sloter back to pass, he's buried! Looks like Slater got bull rushed.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/31/2021 9:33:39 PM   
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What is the best fit, and do we want to continue with that OL philosophy? I'm tired of the little quick guys that get shoved back into Kirk's lap on every pass play and can't move the pile when we need a yard.

The reason I called him a potential fit is specifically because I read a couple of places that he can move in space and has the strength to hold his ground, as well as the fact that he has played both OG and LT. Of course, if that's all true, he may not last to our pick....

I think we all have to be realistic that Zimmer, Spielman, and the Wilfs aren't changing; they think they're doing a great job. So the best case is to let them maximize their expression of how to win, and that will either succeed and we'll all gladly credit them in the shadow of the Lombardi Trophy, or it will continue to come up short and they can all move the fukk on.



Well said.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/31/2021 10:29:09 PM   
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Looks like Slater AND Sloter got slaughtered on that play.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/31/2021 10:52:32 PM   
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For me, if we don't trade down with the 14th pick, I'd want to go with the BPA (not a QB). If it's Chase, so be it or one of the DT's or edge guys, even DB, Im fine with it. I don't look at this team as being set at any position except QB and maybe TE. The 14th pick will be a very talented guy, especially if the top four QB's go early. Take the best talent possible at 14, then to for needs with the all the 3's and 4's we have. Somebody really good will be available, I'd hate to see us go for a late first round/second round O-line guy, just to get what may persevere as the biggest need. can't go wrong with solid talent and at 14, we should get that!

If the TE from Florida is as good as some say, he may be worth considering.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/1/2021 2:12:25 PM   
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Iowa DT Daviyon Nixon a reach at #14?

Looks like a perfect 3Tech for us.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/1/2021 2:16:41 PM   
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Iowa DT Daviyon Nixon a reach at #14?

Looks like a perfect 3Tech for us.


I believe he was a problem for the Gophers.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/1/2021 3:26:30 PM   
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Iowa DT Daviyon Nixon a reach at #14?

Looks like a perfect 3Tech for us.


I believe he was a problem for the Gophers.


Yea Bruce, but the Gophers offensive line had difficulties with a lot of D-Line guys this year, it wasn't a good year for Minnesota's O-Line, that's for sure!
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/4/2021 7:36:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we come away with a 3 tech and a starting guard, this draft will be a success. But, trader rick has not shown that he can judge good talent at either position.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 5:19:23 AM   
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Status: online 		Linval Joseph was a good DL interior, but he must not have been a 3 tech, I don't exactly understand the terminology.

I think the Vikings stumbled into a really good Guard last year in Cleveland, if they don't move him to Tackle. If they do move him to LT, maybe they should draft another LT and move that player to Guard ?

I think Cleveland looks to be a total stud, and the OL could also be made to look better if you got a QB with a little mobility, or better pocket presence, a quicker release, and attacked the middle a little more, which you might get if they trade for Watson, Lawrence, or even Garrapollo.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 7:52:15 AM   
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Linval Joseph was a good DL interior, but he must not have been a 3 tech, I don't exactly understand the terminology.

I think the Vikings stumbled into a really good Guard last year in Cleveland, if they don't move him to Tackle. If they do move him to LT, maybe they should draft another LT and move that player to Guard ?

I think Cleveland looks to be a total stud, and the OL could also be made to look better if you got a QB with a little mobility, or better pocket presence, a quicker release, and attacked the middle a little more, which you might get if they trade for Watson, Lawrence, or even Garrapollo.


A nose tackle lines up directly on the center. Some people call it a 0 tech. He usually takes on the double team blocks of a center and a guard. That's why you want a bigger man for that position. I'm thinking that a lot of teams have both tackles line up directly on the guards. Someone reading this can correct me on this.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 8:36:20 AM   
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Linval Joseph was a good DL interior, but he must not have been a 3 tech, I don't exactly understand the terminology.

I think the Vikings stumbled into a really good Guard last year in Cleveland, if they don't move him to Tackle. If they do move him to LT, maybe they should draft another LT and move that player to Guard ?

I think Cleveland looks to be a total stud, and the OL could also be made to look better if you got a QB with a little mobility, or better pocket presence, a quicker release, and attacked the middle a little more, which you might get if they trade for Watson, Lawrence, or even Garrapollo.

Cleveland was not really good last year. He was less bad than the other options we tried at guard. He graded out near the bottom of the league, but still better than Dozier, Samia and Elf.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 8:41:57 AM   
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Linval Joseph was a good DL interior, but he must not have been a 3 tech, I don't exactly understand the terminology.

I think the Vikings stumbled into a really good Guard last year in Cleveland, if they don't move him to Tackle. If they do move him to LT, maybe they should draft another LT and move that player to Guard ?

I think Cleveland looks to be a total stud, and the OL could also be made to look better if you got a QB with a little mobility, or better pocket presence, a quicker release, and attacked the middle a little more, which you might get if they trade for Watson, Lawrence, or even Garrapollo.

I think your overrating Cleveland a bit merely because of the trash that was out there before him and the performance of Dozier. Cleveland was ok in run blocking but not very good in pass pro. He was pushed around frequently and needs to work on holding his own at the POA.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 9:13:35 AM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 10:59:56 AM   
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Linval Joseph was a good DL interior, but he must not have been a 3 tech, I don't exactly understand the terminology.

I think the Vikings stumbled into a really good Guard last year in Cleveland, if they don't move him to Tackle. If they do move him to LT, maybe they should draft another LT and move that player to Guard ?

I think Cleveland looks to be a total stud, and the OL could also be made to look better if you got a QB with a little mobility, or better pocket presence, a quicker release, and attacked the middle a little more, which you might get if they trade for Watson, Lawrence, or even Garrapollo.


Way off. Cleveland is not a really good guard. And he doesn't need to be playing at guard.

Cleveland is an unknown tackle.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 11:09:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		If we come out of this draft with two quality interior line players (one on d and one on o), it will be a good draft IMO. A good safety prospect would be a bonus.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 11:41:46 AM   
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If we come out of this draft with two quality interior line players (one on d and one on o), it will be a good draft IMO. A good safety prospect would be a bonus.

Agreed, but it will be tough. We lack low-grade starting caliber players at 4 positions on the current, signed roster: both OG spots, 3-tech, and safety. At safety we actually have no one other than Smith currently signed that has even played safety in an NFL game, and our best options are 7th rounders and UDFAs. Cleveland should be Plan C or later at OG; he needs to be developed as a tackle or it was a badly blown pick.

We have to add some of these starters in FA; how we do that given our cap situation I don't know. Rick needs to earn the contract he was recently gifted.....
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 11:46:15 AM   
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If we come out of this draft with two quality interior line players (one on d and one on o), it will be a good draft IMO. A good safety prospect would be a bonus.

Agreed, but it will be tough. We lack low-grade starting caliber players at 4 positions on the current, signed roster: both OG spots, 3-tech, and safety. At safety we actually have no one other than Smith currently signed that has even played safety in an NFL game, and our best options are 7th rounders and UDFAs. Cleveland should be Plan C or later at OG; he needs to be developed as a tackle or it was a badly blown pick.

We have to add some of these starters in FA; how we do that given our cap situation I don't know. Rick needs to earn the contract he was recently gifted.....


Huh. I thought we had an abundance of low grade starting caliber players at those positions.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 11:50:53 AM   
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Cleveland to LT, sink or swim.

Draft DT and G. DE could be in the mix depending on Hunter.

And Pierce is still a questionmark.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 2:27:09 PM   
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If we come out of this draft with two quality interior line players (one on d and one on o), it will be a good draft IMO. A good safety prospect would be a bonus.

Agreed, but it will be tough. We lack low-grade starting caliber players at 4 positions on the current, signed roster: both OG spots, 3-tech, and safety. At safety we actually have no one other than Smith currently signed that has even played safety in an NFL game, and our best options are 7th rounders and UDFAs. Cleveland should be Plan C or later at OG; he needs to be developed as a tackle or it was a badly blown pick.

We have to add some of these starters in FA; how we do that given our cap situation I don't know. Rick needs to earn the contract he was recently gifted.....


Huh. I thought we had an abundance of low grade starting caliber players at those positions.

None are starting caliber, even low-grade starting caliber.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 2/5/2021 10:13:41 PM   
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Status: online 		I though Cleveland, in strong part because of his size, was a stud that made holes for Cook, holes that wouldn't be there if someone else were playing at that position.

Cleveland seems to have good size, it sounds like with what you guys are saying, that Vikes need a new OL coach.

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