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this is what pff predicts for Anthony harris....

The Washington Football Team signs Harris for four years, $56 million ($14M APY): $27.5 million total guaranteed, $16 million fully guaranteed at signing.

I was and continue to be surprised we didn't/wouldn't/couldn't trade him last offseason for a decent pick.

Courtney Cronin and Matthew Coller said that they weren't intent on keeping him, but got too greedy on draft day relative to trade compensation so they were stuck with him. I'd be curious to know who would have manned his spot if they'd been successful.

Winfield jr?

I still think they would have gone WR and CB. I like Winfield Jr. a lot, but it seems he's overrated on this board. His coverage from what I've seen and heard, is iffy, and a safety who doesn't cover well can be a liability. He's very smart, though, so he might be a lot like Harrison Smith in that he can mostly make up for it. He also may be better in coverage than what I've seen and heard.

We might have been able to draft Winfield with the pick we got for Harris.

So you think we passed up a pick before 45 for Harris? Not saying we didn't, but it would be absurd if we did. And again, Winfield might be better than I've seen/heard about, and I think he's pretty good.

What we passed on for a Harris trade is pretty much unknowable.

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Looks like Detroit has traded Stafford to the Rams, with Goff going to the Lions:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/30/report-matthew-stafford-headed-to-the-rams-for-jared-goff-picks/

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

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Is Stafford really that good? Is he better than Cousins, for example? I was surprised by just checking now that they are about the same age. I thought Stafford was older. It seems he's been around for a long time.

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

Who’s to say they’re wrong?

Sheesh the core of there team is pretty strong. There QB play was pretty damn poor to where they almost ran the single wing in the Playoffs with beyond a journeyman backup, and playing an obviously injured Jared Goff.

Stafford has been stuck in purgatory for years, and although not a sure fire stud, he is an upgrade who has shown signs of having genuine Toughness/ Pocket Presence, and late game abilities you’d want from your QB.(Minus toughness, all tendencies our QB doesn’t have)

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

Who’s to say they’re wrong?

Sheesh the core of there team is pretty strong. There QB play was pretty damn poor to where they almost ran the single wing in the Playoffs with beyond a journeyman backup, and playing an obviously injured Jared Goff.

Stafford has been stuck in purgatory for years, and although not a sure fire stud, he is an upgrade who has shown signs of having genuine Toughness/ Pocket Presence, and late game abilities you’d want from your QB.(Minus toughness, all tendencies our QB doesn’t have)

Obviously no one can say with certainty that they are "wrong". Not sure where the idea of Stafford having pocket presence comes from, Lions QBs have been sacked an average of 43 times a year over the last 7 seasons, and with a bad career 1.9/1 TD/INT ratio, clearly the decisions Stafford has made from the pocket have been, on average, bad. IMO higher risk than return. You can lay all the blame for this on a perennially bad Lions team, but are you willing to mortgage your future on it? Stafford has always been the big armed gunslinger type, I don't think he has ever been considered the "cerebral" type. How fast can he adjust to the Rams offensive system/personnel? It takes time to get dialed in with receivers, does it take most of the 2021 regular season to get that on track? Frankly, I don't think a healthy Stafford is an upgrade over a healthy Goff.

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

Who’s to say they’re wrong?

Sheesh the core of there team is pretty strong. There QB play was pretty damn poor to where they almost ran the single wing in the Playoffs with beyond a journeyman backup, and playing an obviously injured Jared Goff.

Stafford has been stuck in purgatory for years, and although not a sure fire stud, he is an upgrade who has shown signs of having genuine Toughness/ Pocket Presence, and late game abilities you’d want from your QB.(Minus toughness, all tendencies our QB doesn’t have)

Obviously no one can say with certainty that they are "wrong". Not sure where the idea of Stafford having pocket presence comes from, Lions QBs have been sacked an average of 43 times a year over the last 7 seasons, and with a bad career 1.9/1 TD/INT ratio, clearly the decisions Stafford has made from the pocket have been, on average, bad. IMO higher risk than return. You can lay all the blame for this on a perennially bad Lions team, but are you willing to mortgage your future on it? Stafford has always been the big armed gunslinger type, I don't think he has ever been considered the "cerebral" type. How fast can he adjust to the Rams offensive system/personnel? It takes time to get dialed in with receivers, does it take most of the 2021 regular season to get that on track? Frankly, I don't think a healthy Stafford is an upgrade over a healthy Goff.

Watching Stafford against the Vikes twice a year all these seasons I’m not sure I saw a team we got to the QB quicker (Like under 2 seconds consistently) So was his OLine horrific for the most part, of course.

Perhaps I see a QB twice a year that actually simply steps up an onrushing LT/ blind side I consider that a step up in “Pocket awareness” in comparison to what I see from our QB- Forgive me...

We’ll see if Stafford realizes his pretty high bar coming out? I also recall another gunslinger who came here and learned pretty quickly a new system.

I think the Rams are swinging for the fences, and I give them credit.

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Rams have been to Super Bowl recently. That’s better than the Vikings.

Crazy what it will take to land Watson.

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Rams have been to Super Bowl recently. That’s better than the Vikings.

Crazy what it will take to land Watson.

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

Who’s to say they’re wrong?

Sheesh the core of there team is pretty strong. There QB play was pretty damn poor to where they almost ran the single wing in the Playoffs with beyond a journeyman backup, and playing an obviously injured Jared Goff.

Stafford has been stuck in purgatory for years, and although not a sure fire stud, he is an upgrade who has shown signs of having genuine Toughness/ Pocket Presence, and late game abilities you’d want from your QB.(Minus toughness, all tendencies our QB doesn’t have)

Obviously no one can say with certainty that they are "wrong". Not sure where the idea of Stafford having pocket presence comes from, Lions QBs have been sacked an average of 43 times a year over the last 7 seasons, and with a bad career 1.9/1 TD/INT ratio, clearly the decisions Stafford has made from the pocket have been, on average, bad. IMO higher risk than return. You can lay all the blame for this on a perennially bad Lions team, but are you willing to mortgage your future on it? Stafford has always been the big armed gunslinger type, I don't think he has ever been considered the "cerebral" type. How fast can he adjust to the Rams offensive system/personnel? It takes time to get dialed in with receivers, does it take most of the 2021 regular season to get that on track? Frankly, I don't think a healthy Stafford is an upgrade over a healthy Goff.

Watching Stafford against the Vikes twice a year all these seasons I’m not sure I saw a team we got to the QB quicker (Like under 2 seconds consistently) So was his OLine horrific for the most part, of course.

Perhaps I see a QB twice a year that actually simply steps up an onrushing LT/ blind side I consider that a step up in “Pocket awareness” in comparison to what I see from our QB- Forgive me...

We’ll see if Stafford realizes his pretty high bar coming out? I also recall another gunslinger who came here and learned pretty quickly a new system.

I think the Rams are swinging for the fences, and I give them credit.

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My bet is that Belichek dropped out of the Stafford bidding early on.

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Field Yates@FieldYates

Rams’ first round picks by year:
2016: Jared Goff
2017: None
2018: None
2019: None
2020: None
2021: None
2022: None
2023: None

And after trading Goff, the last player they took in the first round, the Rams aren’t scheduled to make another first round pick anytime soon.

Who’s to say they’re wrong?

Sheesh the core of there team is pretty strong. There QB play was pretty damn poor to where they almost ran the single wing in the Playoffs with beyond a journeyman backup, and playing an obviously injured Jared Goff.

Stafford has been stuck in purgatory for years, and although not a sure fire stud, he is an upgrade who has shown signs of having genuine Toughness/ Pocket Presence, and late game abilities you’d want from your QB.(Minus toughness, all tendencies our QB doesn’t have)

Obviously no one can say with certainty that they are "wrong". Not sure where the idea of Stafford having pocket presence comes from, Lions QBs have been sacked an average of 43 times a year over the last 7 seasons, and with a bad career 1.9/1 TD/INT ratio, clearly the decisions Stafford has made from the pocket have been, on average, bad. IMO higher risk than return. You can lay all the blame for this on a perennially bad Lions team, but are you willing to mortgage your future on it? Stafford has always been the big armed gunslinger type, I don't think he has ever been considered the "cerebral" type. How fast can he adjust to the Rams offensive system/personnel? It takes time to get dialed in with receivers, does it take most of the 2021 regular season to get that on track? Frankly, I don't think a healthy Stafford is an upgrade over a healthy Goff.

Watching Stafford against the Vikes twice a year all these seasons I’m not sure I saw a team we got to the QB quicker (Like under 2 seconds consistently) So was his OLine horrific for the most part, of course.

Perhaps I see a QB twice a year that actually simply steps up an onrushing LT/ blind side I consider that a step up in “Pocket awareness” in comparison to what I see from our QB- Forgive me...

We’ll see if Stafford realizes his pretty high bar coming out? I also recall another gunslinger who came here and learned pretty quickly a new system.

I think the Rams are swinging for the fences, and I give them credit.

I think the Lions actually have a better OLine than the Rams.

This trade had alot of similarities to us getting Cousins. Good skill players and a piss poor line.

Hopefully DET doesn't use this trade as a spring board to becoming good. They could swing for the fences on the QBOTF they want. They have to ammo to move up now.

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The Rams should have made that trade FOR AARON RODGERS.

Goff throws half his balls in the dirt, so Stafford is an upgrade. Stafford is slightly better than Cousins, but less of an arm, I think. Stafford may get a chance to throw more deep stuff with the Rams.

Stafford will benefit from having a cerebral HC and system, along with something he almost never saw in Detroit, a decent defense. But is Stafford cerebral enough to take the team to the SB, certainly, he's better than Goff, but they no longer have a RB like Gurley.

Stafford has been stuck with poor defenses, and poor HCs, this could be a very nice opportunity for him. But like Cousins, who came from a team with bad defenses, did it really make a lot difference, or might slow starts also be a reason their defenses play poorly ?