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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 12:46:03 PM   
David Levine


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Status: online 		If there was a feasible way to get Watson, you absolutely do it. Hell, I'd take it a step farther and fire Zimmer and hire Bieniemy.

Now, there is obviously a huge risk with hiring Andy Reid's OC as you HC...but there are two very intriguing reasons to do it.

1. He's Watson's choice for a HC by a large margin.
2. He's not Zimmer.

But if there isn't path to get Watson, pining for him on a message board isn't going to "put it out into the universe and make it happen".
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 12:47:02 PM   
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I am not a gnome, I am the catalyst.

I told you the way to win a SB, is by getting a great, mobile QB like Watson. Now it's up to the knowledgeable money people to figure out a way to work.


You are NOT a catalyst.

You think you can wish things into reality.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 12:54:30 PM   
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it's clear that Stafford has not had a very good supporting cast. I heard the radio voice of the Lions say today that while he has been in Detroit, he has never (or once) had a top ten running back and the defense has never (or once) been in the top ten. He's been there for more than ten years. That's pretty bad.


I wonder how much his cap numbers have hamstrung them? I believe he was drafted the last year before draft pick salaries were set, and top QBs instantly signed for top (compared to veteran star QBs) money.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 1:04:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marty

I am not a gnome, I am the catalyst.

I told you the way to win a SB, is by getting a great, mobile QB like Watson. Now it's up to the knowledgeable money people to figure out a way to work.



But in your plan Adam Freakin' Theilen is "untouchable" in a Watson trade.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 1:07:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am not a gnome, I am the catalyst.

I told you the way to win a SB, is by getting a great, mobile QB like Watson. Now it's up to the knowledgeable money people to figure out a way to work.


You are NOT a catalyst.

You think you can wish things into reality.



Rather have J.C. blab incessantly about accepting mediocrity.

Catalyst? More like legend in his own mind.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 1:15:20 PM   
David Levine


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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am not a gnome, I am the catalyst.

I told you the way to win a SB, is by getting a great, mobile QB like Watson. Now it's up to the knowledgeable money people to figure out a way to work.


You are NOT a catalyst.

You think you can wish things into reality.



Rather have J.C. blab incessantly about accepting mediocrity.

Catalyst? More like legend in his own mind.


He literally believes that no one else could've come up with the idea that the Vikings should get Watson.

And since he put the idea out there, its up to others to just make it happen.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 2:07:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think all of this Cousins-to-Niners talk comes from one guy who may not know anything making one tweet.

Remember, Zimmer, Spielman, and the Wilfs all seem fine with Cousins throwing 15-20 times per game and riding the generational output of Cook and our stellar defense to the Super Bowl/Divisional Round once in a while......Why waste time here; go find the next Game Stop.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 3:11:58 PM   
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Status: online 		Probably the required "Diversity interview" before they hand the job to Klint Kubiak:

Per numerous reports, the Vikings will be bringing in New York Giants’ wide receivers coach Tyke Tolbert to interview for the job.

According to our friends at Big Blue View, Tolbert has been a receivers coach in the NFL since 2003 and has never before been a coordinator at any level. He does, however, have ties to Gary Kubiak, as he was the receivers coach for the Denver Broncos in 2015 and 2016, when Kubiak coached the team to a victory in Super Bowl 50.

Tolbert got his start in the NFL with the Arizona Cardinals in 2003 as their wide receivers coach, meaning that he would have been on the Cardinals’ sidelines for the infamous “Nate Poole” game that finished that season. He’s also had stops in Buffalo (2004 - 2009), Carolina (2010) before his time with Denver. He was the Broncos’ wide receivers coach from 2011 to 2017, and has been with the Giants since 2018.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 4:46:03 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 4:49:27 PM   
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Probably the required "Diversity interview" before they hand the job to Klint Kubiak:

Per numerous reports, the Vikings will be bringing in New York Giants’ wide receivers coach Tyke Tolbert to interview for the job.

According to our friends at Big Blue View, Tolbert has been a receivers coach in the NFL since 2003 and has never before been a coordinator at any level. He does, however, have ties to Gary Kubiak, as he was the receivers coach for the Denver Broncos in 2015 and 2016, when Kubiak coached the team to a victory in Super Bowl 50.

Tolbert got his start in the NFL with the Arizona Cardinals in 2003 as their wide receivers coach, meaning that he would have been on the Cardinals’ sidelines for the infamous “Nate Poole” game that finished that season. He’s also had stops in Buffalo (2004 - 2009), Carolina (2010) before his time with Denver. He was the Broncos’ wide receivers coach from 2011 to 2017, and has been with the Giants since 2018.

I read somewhere Zim is looking for an experienced OC. Translation: some crusty old guy who will keep running the ball no matter the down or distance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 4:51:06 PM   
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This whole Cousins to San Francisco thing may actually have some legs to it.

I think if we trade Cousins prior to the start of the new league year we only suffer a 21ml dead cap hit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 4:54:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

This whole Cousins to San Francisco thing may actually have some legs to it.

I think if we trade Cousins prior to the start of the new league year we only suffer a 21ml dead cap hit.


Maybe?

If the 49ers are on the hook for his full 2021 salary, do we only pay his signing bonus for this year and next year (which would total 20M)?

< Message edited by David Levine -- 2/1/2021 4:56:02 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 4:59:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

This whole Cousins to San Francisco thing may actually have some legs to it.

I think if we trade Cousins prior to the start of the new league year we only suffer a 21ml dead cap hit.


Maybe?

If the 49ers are on the hook for his full 2021 salary, do we only pay his signing bonus for this year and next year (which would total 20M)?

I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of that stuff.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:04:46 PM   
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This whole Cousins to San Francisco thing may actually have some legs to it.


Ross Tucker says he believes it - and thinks Garoppolo goes to NE.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:15:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

This whole Cousins to San Francisco thing may actually have some legs to it.

I think if we trade Cousins prior to the start of the new league year we only suffer a 21ml dead cap hit.


Maybe?

If the 49ers are on the hook for his full 2021 salary, do we only pay his signing bonus for this year and next year (which would total 20M)?

I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of that stuff.


Spotrac says that if he's traded after June 1 then we only get hit $10M in 2021 and $10M in 2022. Yes I get the irony of the word 'only'. It says if we cut him it doesn't matter if it's before or after June 1. You can look yourself just click on his contract and then click on 2021.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:22:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a twisted idea to suggest that I think no one else could come up with the idea of the Vikes getting Watson.

It was talked about before I ever posted on it. I am not taking an credit for it. It has nothing to do with my ego, and I am not taking any credit for it.

I am very much a catalyst, on some things here, and in other areas of my life. I

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:24:31 PM   
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It's a twisted idea to suggest that I think no one else could come up with the idea of the Vikes getting Watson.

It was talked about before I ever posted on it. I am not taking an credit for it. It has nothing to do with my ego, and I am not taking any credit for it.

I am very much a catalyst, on some things here, and in other areas of my life. I


So its not your idea, and you have no idea how it could work, but you're the catalyst?

I don't think that word means what you think it means...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:26:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have wished for things, and many have come true in my life. And the same is true with the Vikings.

Going back to the Strib threads, I wished for RC to be a Viking, and both Chris Doleman and Randy Moss to return, and they did. I wished for Sheldon Richardson, and was told it was a playstation fantasy, the Vikes were short on money, yet somehow he was signed.

I am catalyst, and believe that the Vikes getting D.Watson would be very exciting, and a very good thing for the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill and Dave, you guys are just rude sometimes.

Keeping Theilen would NOT be a stupid idea, it would be good for Watson to have 2 good starting WRs to build around. You trade Theilen, and then the passing game gets fairly easy to shutdown with only Jefferson to worry about.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:31:46 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

This whole Cousins to San Francisco thing may actually have some legs to it.

I think if we trade Cousins prior to the start of the new league year we only suffer a 21ml dead cap hit.


Maybe?

If the 49ers are on the hook for his full 2021 salary, do we only pay his signing bonus for this year and next year (which would total 20M)?

I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of that stuff.


Spotrac says that if he's traded after June 1 then we only get hit $10M in 2021 and $10M in 2022. Yes I get the irony of the word 'only'. It says if we cut him it doesn't matter if it's before or after June 1. You can look yourself just click on his contract and then click on 2021.

The way I understood it was that if Cousins is still on our roster at the start of the new league year his salary is guarenteed through this ext. If cut prior to the new league year we suffer a 31ml cap hit. The least expensive is to trade him before the new league year starts only costing us 21ml.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:33:33 PM   
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I have wished for things, and many have come true in my life. And the same is true with the Vikings.

Going back to the Strib threads, I wished for RC to be a Viking, and both Chris Doleman and Randy Moss to return, and they did. I wished for Sheldon Richardson, and was told it was a playstation fantasy, the Vikes were short on money, yet somehow he was signed.

I am catalyst, and believe that the Vikes getting D.Watson would be very exciting, and a very good thing for the team.


So does everyone else!

That doesn't make you a catalyst. All those things would've happened regardless of your hopes and dreams.

I've had teams draft, sign or trade for players I coveted dozens of times. I'm not arrogant enough to think I had anything to do with those events happening.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:33:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		No David, I can't just make acquiring Watson happen.

I think the idea needs to put out there and talked about. Then we have discussions about what it might take to get him.

Then someone that understands the money part, figures out a way to make that part of it work.

Then we read an article somewhere that states something like "Today the Vikings acquired Deshaun Watson from the Houston Texans in exchange for ...."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:35:55 PM   
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No David, I can't just make acquiring Watson happen.

I think the idea needs to put out there and talked about. Then we have discussions about what it might take to get him.

Then someone that understands the money part, figures out a way to make that part of it work.

Then we read an article somewhere that states something like "Today the Vikings acquired Deshaun Watson from the Houston Texans in exchange for ...."


So you think if we talk about it enough on this tiny little message board, Rick Spielman will see it and make it happen?

You don't think that he's already aware that a top flight young QB is available in trade?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:37:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		David, I think the word catalyst means what I think it means, am not sure what you think it means:

"A catalyst is an event or person causing a change. ... The noun catalyst is something or someone that causes a change and is derived from the Greek word katalύein, meaning "to dissolve." It can be somewhat ordinary, like when moving to a warmer climate was the catalyst for getting a short, sporty haircut."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/1/2021 5:38:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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No David, I can't just make acquiring Watson happen.

I think the idea needs to put out there and talked about. Then we have discussions about what it might take to get him.

Then someone that understands the money part, figures out a way to make that part of it work.

Then we read an article somewhere that states something like "Today the Vikings acquired Deshaun Watson from the Houston Texans in exchange for ...."


So you think if we talk about it enough on this tiny little message board, Rick Spielman will see it and make it happen?

You don't think that he's already aware that a top flight young QB is available in trade?

Moritz Bohringer. You heard it here first.

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