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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2021 7:19:46 PM 1 votes

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If this game was all about backups, I'd say our backups aren't very good.

Granted, they played nothing but backups.

But Denver's philosophy was to throw the ball downfield.

Zimmer was stuck on running, and running, and running, and running...

Dude, it was a scrimmage!

So a scrimmage doesn't include passing?

Help me out here...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2021 8:45:24 PM 1 votes

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If this game was all about backups, I'd say our backups aren't very good.

Granted, they played nothing but backups.

But Denver's philosophy was to throw the ball downfield.

Zimmer was stuck on running, and running, and running, and running...

Dude, it was a scrimmage!

So a scrimmage doesn't include passing?

Help me out here...

You're right! I should of gave you 5 stars for rolling your eyes cause they didn't run the plays you deemed important!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2021 9:45:31 PM

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Unconventional yes, but Cousins should play three qtr this week. Hopefully his gets sacked three or more times as well. The last few years it’s seems like he plays like crap for a few games, until he gets banged around and berated a bit. Let’s just get that out of the way earlier this year. He seems to need a little wake up call to pull on his big boy pants and get going.

He's been kicked around pretty good so far this season by just about everyone - maybe that'll be enough ...

Maybe I need to drive up there and intercept his mini van and kick the shit out of him so he's ready for week one

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2021 9:50:34 PM

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From the strib's '5 things to watch' today:

After Christian Darrisaw had his second surgery of the year on a lingering groin injury on Thursday, left tackle Rashod Hill left the Vikings' practice with an injury on Thursday afternoon, forcing Blake Brandel to play left tackle on the first-team offense. The Vikings' health status on the left side makes the offensive line even more a subject of intrigue; the team is still trying to determine whether Oli Udoh should start ahead of Dakota Dozier at right guard, whether third-round pick Wyatt Davis can contribute as a rookie and what depth it has behind Garrett Bradbury at center.

I thought they were just playing Brandel because of Darrisaw ... I didn't realize Hill got dinged.

Has Cleveland ever gotten significant practice time at OT? I honestly don't remember ...

Last year we traded for Ngakoue 08/30, the year before it was Mark Fields 08/31 (and traded away G Isidora 08/31- I don't even want to know if he's doing well) ...

Waiver claims and loose scraps won't do it, can't we please bump it up a couple weeks and take on a bubble OL veteran that gets some competitive preseason time for once?

I have a bad feeling that things are going to get real ugly real fast with the oline.

Hey who would have thunk this with Spielman at the helm...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 6:49:07 AM

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i think that mond looked somewhat impressive - the coaching was holding him back...and zimmer's bumbling clock management at the end of the first half....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 8:32:09 AM

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Zimmer's bumbling clock management is what we thought it was!

Nothing to take away from the exhibition game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 8:49:32 AM

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NFL says every team is more than 75% vaccinated. So that means a few more Vikings have gotten vaccinated recently.

Reportedly 28 teams over 85%, and I'd guess the Vikes are not one of them, yet. And 15 teams are over 95%.

https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1426512651182612481

What probably doesn't get enough emphasis: because this year's Delta strain is so much easier to transmit, players should both be vaccinated and continue as many precautions as reasonably possible (meet in well-ventilated areas, N95 masking, etc.).

I predicted we'd be living under this crap for the rest of our lives and looks like we will.

Likely we'll have annual boosters for active strains, perhaps rolled into the better annual flu shots that are coming soon.

Maybe it'll be partly controlled by infrastructure improvements to HVAC systems, like water-borne illnesses were controlled by better water & sewage systems. This pandemic blew apart some misunderstandings of droplet/aerosol transmission, and we'll likely get better HVAC systems as a result: more fresh air, better filtering, UV lighting to deactivate viruses, etc. That would cut cases of flu and COVID, perhaps RSV and other nasty stuff.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 11:42:59 AM

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NFL says every team is more than 75% vaccinated. So that means a few more Vikings have gotten vaccinated recently.

Reportedly 28 teams over 85%, and I'd guess the Vikes are not one of them, yet. And 15 teams are over 95%.

https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1426512651182612481

What probably doesn't get enough emphasis: because this year's Delta strain is so much easier to transmit, players should both be vaccinated and continue as many precautions as reasonably possible (meet in well-ventilated areas, N95 masking, etc.).

I predicted we'd be living under this crap for the rest of our lives and looks like we will.

Likely we'll have annual boosters for active strains, perhaps rolled into the better annual flu shots that are coming soon.

Maybe it'll be partly controlled by infrastructure improvements to HVAC systems, like water-borne illnesses were controlled by better water & sewage systems. This pandemic blew apart some misunderstandings of droplet/aerosol transmission, and we'll likely get better HVAC systems as a result: more fresh air, better filtering, UV lighting to deactivate viruses, etc. That would cut cases of flu and COVID, perhaps RSV and other nasty stuff.

Thanks for the reply. COVID really pisses me off.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 12:54:29 PM

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I will say this ... Brandel played as much and well as anybody, to my eye. Davis and Cole I thought held their own.

Or is it just Dozier making everybody else look not horrible?

Anyway ... it means very very little but at least they didn't stumble out of the gate ... so there's that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 2:39:17 PM

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Can we transfer some of our RB scouts and have them scout offensive linemen?

Rose Jr. looks like he could fill Boone's shoes, who filled Jet's shoes; both Mattison and Cook are studs. We can draft RB's.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 2:42:06 PM

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Most (if not all) our Olinemen graded out ok except for dozier. Why do the coaches insist year after year on starting the worst guards?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 3:54:05 PM

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Shamar Stephens should thank Dozier helping him secure his roster spot on the first series of the game

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 7:58:45 PM

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One thing's for damn sure

After our performance against the Broncos ...

its going to be hard for the coaches to dump ONLY 5 players before the cutdown to 85 this Tuesday.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/15/2021 10:50:03 PM

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Well, that was a pretty terrible first game, but with all our starters sitting and seeing Denver played at least some first stringers, I guess I wasn't surprised at losing. I was a little surprised that they looked so lost and out of position all day. Hopefully next game is a better showing.

The good:
- Mond, when not getting his helmet knocked off, looked better than I thought he would given he had 3 days of practice and probably knows about 20 plays
- Davis looked pretty solid with the little practice he's had. He drove his guy back a couple of times and didn't wilt on the pass rush.
- our FG kicker made both kicks and split the uprights, letting us at least dream of having a competent FG kicker for a week
- Rose looked good. I'm not sure if he'll make the team but at least he was playing hard and made some tough runs.

The bad:
- the team came out like it was the first day of OTAs. Guess it really was a glorified scrimmage with 30+ players sitting out but that was a pretty abysmal effort.
- the both the oline and dline were getting pushed around quite a bit. I'm glad we went beefy with the defensive FAs and oline draft picks, I'm tired of losing so completely at the LOS on both sides.
- the punting was as terrible as ever. Can we get a guy who can kick it more than 40 yards consistently? 31 teams seem to have one, WTF?
- lots of lost defensive backs running around not covering. I don't know what we changed but it looked like the first week of marching band practice out there

The ugly:
- several times on the dline, we had lineman following the offensive lineman, even when not blocked, and were completely clueless where the ball was. On a couple occasions the RB ran right past while they were pushing the olineman down to the ground. Reading your keys is one thing, but FFS look for the damn ball!!
- most of the rookie QBs around the league got to air out the ball in some way. Ours was handing off all afternoon, despite being down 33-6. That's pathetic. Let him throw the F'ing ball!
- going into half with a timeout and not using all 4 downs at the goal line is about as newbie as it gets. How the heck can Zim be this bad at clock management after all these years?
- the penalties were horrible, either giving up a first down after a 3rd down stop or giving up a safety for holding in the endzone. Bad preparation mentally.
- Dantzler played pretty badly and also seemed somewhat aloof. Is he pissed that we brought in a bunch of competition or was he really that lost? The safeties sucked but he was torched on the 80 yard bomb.

With only 3 preseason games now, I'm hoping the starters get some time next week and some decent work in game 3. I don't want us to be 0-2 before we realize that the season has started.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 12:34:37 AM

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I will say this ... Brandel played as much and well as anybody, to my eye. Davis and Cole I thought held their own.

Or is it just Dozier making everybody else look not horrible?

Anyway ... it means very very little but at least they didn't stumble out of the gate ... so there's that.

for the 2019 season - draft year 2020....

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Blake Brandel: Highest-graded FBS pass-blocking tackle.

- Started 48 consecutive games

- Received a 93.1 pass-blocking grade by Pro Football Focus, the best mark in the nation, allowing just one sack and four hurries.

- Brandel also had an 82.5 PFF grade for run-blocking.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 8:00:15 AM

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Well, that was a pretty terrible first game, but with all our starters sitting and seeing Denver played at least some first stringers, I guess I wasn't surprised at losing. I was a little surprised that they looked so lost and out of position all day. Hopefully next game is a better showing.

The good:
- Mond, when not getting his helmet knocked off, looked better than I thought he would given he had 3 days of practice and probably knows about 20 plays
- Davis looked pretty solid with the little practice he's had. He drove his guy back a couple of times and didn't wilt on the pass rush.
- our FG kicker made both kicks and split the uprights, letting us at least dream of having a competent FG kicker for a week
- Rose looked good. I'm not sure if he'll make the team but at least he was playing hard and made some tough runs.

The bad:
- the team came out like it was the first day of OTAs. Guess it really was a glorified scrimmage with 30+ players sitting out but that was a pretty abysmal effort.
- the both the oline and dline were getting pushed around quite a bit. I'm glad we went beefy with the defensive FAs and oline draft picks, I'm tired of losing so completely at the LOS on both sides.
- the punting was as terrible as ever. Can we get a guy who can kick it more than 40 yards consistently? 31 teams seem to have one, WTF?
- lots of lost defensive backs running around not covering. I don't know what we changed but it looked like the first week of marching band practice out there

The ugly:
- several times on the dline, we had lineman following the offensive lineman, even when not blocked, and were completely clueless where the ball was. On a couple occasions the RB ran right past while they were pushing the olineman down to the ground. Reading your keys is one thing, but FFS look for the damn ball!!
- most of the rookie QBs around the league got to air out the ball in some way. Ours was handing off all afternoon, despite being down 33-6. That's pathetic. Let him throw the F'ing ball!
- going into half with a timeout and not using all 4 downs at the goal line is about as newbie as it gets. How the heck can Zim be this bad at clock management after all these years?
- the penalties were horrible, either giving up a first down after a 3rd down stop or giving up a safety for holding in the endzone. Bad preparation mentally.
- Dantzler played pretty badly and also seemed somewhat aloof. Is he pissed that we brought in a bunch of competition or was he really that lost? The safeties sucked but he was torched on the 80 yard bomb.

With only 3 preseason games now, I'm hoping the starters get some time next week and some decent work in game 3. I don't want us to be 0-2 before we realize that the season has started.

Good post.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 8:33:30 AM

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I assume they will play the starters a decent amount in one of the games?

I fear them being flat to open the season and read some sort of " Well, we needed a week to knock the rust off and get use to the speed of the game ".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 9:40:55 AM

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Unconventional yes, but Cousins should play three qtr this week. Hopefully his gets sacked three or more times as well. The last few years it’s seems like he plays like crap for a few games, until he gets banged around and berated a bit. Let’s just get that out of the way earlier this year. He seems to need a little wake up call to pull on his big boy pants and get going.

He's been kicked around pretty good so far this season by just about everyone - maybe that'll be enough ...

Maybe I need to drive up there and intercept his mini van and kick the shit out of him so he's ready for week one

haha yes that would be great. Video it as well, tell him if he doesn't play well we will then share it with the national media.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 10:36:21 AM

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I was actually OK with all the backups and camp fodder playing..

You have to put those types of players into actual game situations, to see if they have anything BUT TC workout, drill warrior ability.

Being able to read keys and react to make plays, requires real-time live play, to get a valid judgement on raw ability.

Rose and Mond looked serviceable, Abdulla and Dantzler, not so much.

Dozier is fn hopeless.. I have to wonder if he is an excellent coqsuqer who likes to be spit-roasted in a three point stance like a sissy bitch, or if he has compromising evidence against spielman and Zimmer.

He needs to go.

Period.

If it were me, I’d cut him on the next cut down day. No regrets.

Pretty crude language, I know, but FFS he is pure slop and a liability.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 10:40:33 AM

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… the worst part is

you just know Spiels is furiosly scanning the waiver wire, doing his ‘due diligence’, looking for street OL to ‘beef up’ our competition. These are dudes rejected from competing on other teams … we will scrape up somebody by end of week, guaranteed.

pre-season anxiety and over-reaction? Sure, but Spielman’s approach to OL building is no more evolved than buying lotto tickets.

end of whine (for now).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 11:15:21 AM

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We have the right guys for O-line on our roster. We just have to play THE BEST ONES. I'm at the point where I'm starting to thing the Vikings' coaching staff is playing the worst ones as a sick inside joke. Davis looks good. So do a number of the others. I'll sit back and wait patiently to see if the depth chart changes over the next couple of weeks - and NOT just because the bad ones get hurt.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 1:20:32 PM

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We have the right guys for O-line on our roster. We just have to play THE BEST ONES. I'm at the point where I'm starting to thing the Vikings' coaching staff is playing the worst ones as a sick inside joke. Davis looks good. So do a number of the others. I'll sit back and wait patiently to see if the depth chart changes over the next couple of weeks - and NOT just because the bad ones get hurt.

That wouldn't be worst case.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 2:40:07 PM 1 votes

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This gave me the best laugh I've had recently; Realistic Randy outdoes himself here!:

https://youtu.be/ShHRJdHPIJ8

Edit: this video is also funny and relevant: https://youtu.be/DhncVJJdPzg

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 3:32:46 PM

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According to who was seen at the PreSeason Game wearing a mask; these players as of yet are starters and not fully vaccinated:

Cousins
Thielen
Smith
Cook
Tomlinson
Richardson

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/16/2021 4:19:22 PM

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… the worst part is

you just know Spiels is furiosly scanning the waiver wire, doing his ‘due diligence’, looking for street OL to ‘beef up’ our competition. These are dudes rejected from competing on other teams … we will scrape up somebody by end of week, guaranteed.

pre-season anxiety and over-reaction? Sure, but Spielman’s approach to OL building is no more evolved than buying lotto tickets.

end of whine (for now).

So who are you cutting of the 9 or 10 they are keeping?

Darrisaw, Davis, Bradbury, Udoh, Brandel, Hill, O'Neil, Cleveland, and Cole.

I think Dozier is gone.

The two from the Athletic; Chad has us at 10 keeping Dozier; Arif has us at 9 cutting Dozier.

There is a reason why some don't have jobs yet.....$$$, injuries, or they just aren't good.

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