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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2021 10:01:58 PM

marty

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I wonder how many GMs could be classified as bold ?

When I think about teams making moves that appear to be bold, either in the draft or in FA, many times when you think of their recent history it makes sense that they would make that choice.

For instance, a team that has had some recent really bad luck with QBs, takes a chance on a big name. A team keeps missing with DEs in the draft, only to see a division rival DE that was a FA acquisition is a major factor in the teams losing to that team. So the next year, thar teams trades for or signs the best DE, or most expensive one out there.

I thought the Bears getting Cutler, his WR Marshall from Denver, then Peppers, Mack, all seemed sort of bold, or like good moves at the time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/3/2021 10:08:42 PM

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Since the Vikings have seemingly gotten better QBs since Ponder, they don't seem to be in a place, where they would be screaming for Watson.

Cousins isn't horrible, so it's hard to imagine their feeling desperate or feeling really strongly that getting the best QB out there is the way to go. It's almost too bad Cousins isn't coming off a horrible season.

Maybe the only reasons why the Vikes may consider obtaining Watson, is the realization that it took a QB like Favre to get them to an NFC Championship and a FG away from the SB, the fact that Rodgers keeps GB close to getting to the SB the last 2 years, and Brady has made quite an impact on his team.

And this makes people think about the QB position as being as vital as it appears to be in today's NFL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 7:59:10 AM

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No. Allen was 25 and one the top pass rushers in football. A first and two thirds at that time did not require a lot of bravery.

No. Diggs forced the trade. I wouldn't call someone bold for caving in and moving a disgruntled player who was determined to make life miserable until he was dealt.

He had 2 strikes against him and other teams were scared to trade for him.

He received a ton of capital for Diggs.....

You are exaggerating by saying he wasn't bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 8:02:35 AM

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Rick has been bold at times (Case Keenum signing).

How is signing a back-up QB to a 1 year, 2M contract bold? He didn't sign him to start - the only reason he played was Bradford got hurt.

Was signing Sean Mannion to a 1-year deal a bold move?

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Signing Joseph, Reiff, Pierce were all bold moves....but he was in a bad spot and in essence bailed himself out (except on the Pierce move). He has been bold on his trades and on most of the FA signings.....

Those aren't bold moves either. Those are the types of moves that every team makes every year.

Drafting players and signing free agents aren't inherantly "bold moves". They're a job description..

It was bold as Case saved our season....how would it have turned out w/o him?
Drafing players and signing FA aren't bold? You can always pick the wrong guy.....picking the right guys is the definition of bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 8:04:52 AM

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You know...Watson may not be our starting QB next year for reasons other than Spielman's lack of balls or boldness.

Nobody is disputing that. Nobody is saying Watson would be here next year if not for Spielman's empty ball sack. Just saying Spielman's history as a GM / President of Football Operations indicates this is not a move he has the stones to make.

So we're saying that if all "non Spielman ball sack" factors required to obtain Watson were in place, we still would not get him due to Spielman's empty ball sack.

Do you believe otherwise?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 8:09:06 AM

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Rick has been bold at times (Case Keenum signing).

How is signing a back-up QB to a 1 year, 2M contract bold? He didn't sign him to start - the only reason he played was Bradford got hurt.

Was signing Sean Mannion to a 1-year deal a bold move?

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Signing Joseph, Reiff, Pierce were all bold moves....but he was in a bad spot and in essence bailed himself out (except on the Pierce move). He has been bold on his trades and on most of the FA signings.....

Those aren't bold moves either. Those are the types of moves that every team makes every year.

Drafting players and signing free agents aren't inherantly "bold moves". They're a job description..

It was bold as Case saved our season....how would it have turned out w/o him?
Drafing players and signing FA aren't bold? You can always pick the wrong guy.....picking the right guys is the definition of bold.

There is nothing remotely bold about signing a backup QB to a 1 year deal. That's one of the more mundane tasks of a GM. That injury forced Keenum into the lineup had nothing to do with Rick being bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 8:14:03 AM

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No. Allen was 25 and one the top pass rushers in football. A first and two thirds at that time did not require a lot of bravery.

No. Diggs forced the trade. I wouldn't call someone bold for caving in and moving a disgruntled player who was determined to make life miserable until he was dealt.

He had 2 strikes against him and other teams were scared to trade for him.

He received a ton of capital for Diggs.....

You are exaggerating by saying he wasn't bold.

Other teams were willing to trade for Allen. A 1st and two 3rds is not a high price for an elite pass rusher entering his prime.
That he got fair compensation for Diggs does make the move bold. He was forced to make the trade. Doing what are forced to do is not bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 8:21:38 AM

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No. Allen was 25 and one the top pass rushers in football. A first and two thirds at that time did not require a lot of bravery.

No. Diggs forced the trade. I wouldn't call someone bold for caving in and moving a disgruntled player who was determined to make life miserable until he was dealt.

He had 2 strikes against him and other teams were scared to trade for him.

He received a ton of capital for Diggs.....

You are exaggerating by saying he wasn't bold.

Other teams were willing to trade for Allen. A 1st and two 3rds is not a high price for an elite pass rusher entering his prime.
That he got fair compensation for Diggs does make the move bold. He was forced to make the trade. Doing what are forced to do is not bold.

Teams were willing to trade for Allen (after his legal issues were solved) we traded for him before that was resolved if you remember.....it was bold. Part of the reason we got him (as we also had to give him a new contract I believe before the trade was done). This was all before his legal issues were finalized.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:15:13 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:32:00 AM

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No. Allen was 25 and one the top pass rushers in football. A first and two thirds at that time did not require a lot of bravery.

No. Diggs forced the trade. I wouldn't call someone bold for caving in and moving a disgruntled player who was determined to make life miserable until he was dealt.

He had 2 strikes against him and other teams were scared to trade for him.

He received a ton of capital for Diggs.....

You are exaggerating by saying he wasn't bold.

Other teams were willing to trade for Allen. A 1st and two 3rds is not a high price for an elite pass rusher entering his prime.
That he got fair compensation for Diggs does make the move bold. He was forced to make the trade. Doing what are forced to do is not bold.

Teams were willing to trade for Allen (after his legal issues were solved) we traded for him before that was resolved if you remember.....it was bold. Part of the reason we got him (as we also had to give him a new contract I believe before the trade was done). This was all before his legal issues were finalized.

His legal issues were resolved. He was suspended by the NFL for the first two games of his last season in KC. He played 14 games after that and led the league in sacks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:39:17 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

Yep. Allen could be called somewhat bold. So could trading for Bradford at the start of the season. Those moves are over how many seasons? Compare that to a back drop of year after year trading down for more picks in case you blow it on earlier picks. It's something else all together to eat $10M in cap money to shed Cousins, trade 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks and a couple of players and likely force a change in philosophy even if it means removing your head coach to at last get an elite young franchise defining QB on your roster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:41:28 AM

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No. Allen was 25 and one the top pass rushers in football. A first and two thirds at that time did not require a lot of bravery.

No. Diggs forced the trade. I wouldn't call someone bold for caving in and moving a disgruntled player who was determined to make life miserable until he was dealt.

He had 2 strikes against him and other teams were scared to trade for him.

He received a ton of capital for Diggs.....

You are exaggerating by saying he wasn't bold.

Other teams were willing to trade for Allen. A 1st and two 3rds is not a high price for an elite pass rusher entering his prime.
That he got fair compensation for Diggs does make the move bold. He was forced to make the trade. Doing what are forced to do is not bold.

Teams were willing to trade for Allen (after his legal issues were solved) we traded for him before that was resolved if you remember.....it was bold. Part of the reason we got him (as we also had to give him a new contract I believe before the trade was done). This was all before his legal issues were finalized.

His legal issues were resolved. He was suspended by the NFL for the first two games of his last season in KC. He played 14 games after that and led the league in sacks.

I would call it bold.

He was down to his last strike. Another DUI and we have nothing to show for a 1st and two 3rds.

Anyway, what we would have to give up to get Watson leaves us with a bottom 5 defense(assuming Hunter and Dantzler traded, with no high picks or cap space to fix it) and the same OLine problems.

I'm not against it but we would have to be patient(2023 at earliest to fix all problems).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:49:15 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

I wasn't the one that said the GM doesn't do anything bold. You look at the result of the Diggs Trade (trading Diggs/drafting JJeff), signing Keenum and he took us to the NFC Championship game and there are other moves that prove that you can't say he isn't bold at times.

Anyway argue on.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:53:09 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

Yep. Allen could be called somewhat bold. So could trading for Bradford at the start of the season. Those moves are over how many seasons? Compare that to a back drop of year after year trading down for more picks in case you blow it on earlier picks. It's something else all together to eat $10M in cap money to shed Cousins, trade 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks and a couple of players and likely force a change in philosophy even if it means removing your head coach to at last get an elite young franchise defining QB on your roster.

I would say that the Bradford trade was the moment that has led to our current situation. His track record was clear at that point: highly skilled player with frequent, serious injuries. I would say that we traded for him (and do most of what we do) to stay relevant. Get us to/keep us at 9-7 or 10-6, maybe better or worse with outlier conditions. His back-up did for Philly what they clearly determined Bradford couldn't do: get them to the Super Bowl. In fact, they got there by beating Bradford's next backup. In the meantime, a middling team stayed middling and got smoked by Philly in the NFCCG; we were outcoached by a team that saw that they could kill us with in-breaking routes and knew the Double-A Gap blitz was really a toothless tiger at the end of the day.

We wasted a bunch of draft capital on Bradford because Rick's previous "bold" signing of Hill left us on the loser side of middling. We should have tanked, cleaned house a bit, drafted high and come back stronger. Instead, we stayed middling.....like it seems we always will with current leadership (Wilfs/Rick/Zim).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 9:57:33 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

I wasn't the one that said the GM doesn't do anything bold. You look at the result of the Diggs Trade (trading Diggs/drafting JJeff), signing Keenum and he took us to the NFC Championship game and there are other moves that prove that you can't say he isn't bold at times.

Anyway argue on.

Diggs was gone or a problem. JJ was luck, plain and simple, though at least they recognized his talent. He never should have been available, and counting on a rookie WR (because they couldn't know JJ would be available or start as well as he did) with the rest of the dreck he'd accumulated behind Thielen was reckless and showed his incompetence. Signing Keenum doesn't meet anyone's definition of "bold" except yours, and we already know you struggle with plain language.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 10:05:01 AM

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No. Allen was 25 and one the top pass rushers in football. A first and two thirds at that time did not require a lot of bravery.

No. Diggs forced the trade. I wouldn't call someone bold for caving in and moving a disgruntled player who was determined to make life miserable until he was dealt.

He had 2 strikes against him and other teams were scared to trade for him.

He received a ton of capital for Diggs.....

You are exaggerating by saying he wasn't bold.

Other teams were willing to trade for Allen. A 1st and two 3rds is not a high price for an elite pass rusher entering his prime.
That he got fair compensation for Diggs does make the move bold. He was forced to make the trade. Doing what are forced to do is not bold.

Teams were willing to trade for Allen (after his legal issues were solved) we traded for him before that was resolved if you remember.....it was bold. Part of the reason we got him (as we also had to give him a new contract I believe before the trade was done). This was all before his legal issues were finalized.

His legal issues were resolved. He was suspended by the NFL for the first two games of his last season in KC. He played 14 games after that and led the league in sacks.

I would call it bold.

He was down to his last strike. Another DUI and we have nothing to show for a 1st and two 3rds.

Anyway, what we would have to give up to get Watson leaves us with a bottom 5 defense(assuming Hunter and Dantzler traded, with no high picks or cap space to fix it) and the same OLine problems.

I'm not against it but we would have to be patient(2023 at earliest to fix all problems).

I agree.

If you define Bold as 'a willingness to take risks' ... Allen was definitely a big risk because of his sobriety problems. He wouldn't have been on the trading block to begin with, without those problems. Everybody and their mama would have made offers, without those problems. Spielman obviously offered more - taking a bigger chance than any other 'suitor'.

Overall, I would agree with Sweens that Spielman is no risk taker. He's more about trying to out-clever people (mostly himself) with a shot of opportunism mixed in.

Now Zimmer ... he may be the greatest Defensive mastermind Non-Risk Taker that ever lived. Well, there's the guy that created the Prevent Defense but Zimmer is pretty close after that. 'Bend but don't break' is a godless bloodlusting war cry compared to Zimmer's late game strategies.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 10:16:35 AM

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Rick has been bold at times (Case Keenum signing).

How is signing a back-up QB to a 1 year, 2M contract bold? He didn't sign him to start - the only reason he played was Bradford got hurt.

Was signing Sean Mannion to a 1-year deal a bold move?

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Signing Joseph, Reiff, Pierce were all bold moves....but he was in a bad spot and in essence bailed himself out (except on the Pierce move). He has been bold on his trades and on most of the FA signings.....

Those aren't bold moves either. Those are the types of moves that every team makes every year.

Drafting players and signing free agents aren't inherantly "bold moves". They're a job description..

It was bold as Case saved our season....how would it have turned out w/o him?
Drafing players and signing FA aren't bold? You can always pick the wrong guy.....picking the right guys is the definition of bold.

I get it now.

Your definition of "bold" is moves that work out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 10:20:38 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

Yep. Allen could be called somewhat bold. So could trading for Bradford at the start of the season. Those moves are over how many seasons? Compare that to a back drop of year after year trading down for more picks in case you blow it on earlier picks. It's something else all together to eat $10M in cap money to shed Cousins, trade 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks and a couple of players and likely force a change in philosophy even if it means removing your head coach to at last get an elite young franchise defining QB on your roster.

I would say that the Bradford trade was the moment that has led to our current situation. His track record was clear at that point: highly skilled player with frequent, serious injuries. I would say that we traded for him (and do most of what we do) to stay relevant. Get us to/keep us at 9-7 or 10-6, maybe better or worse with outlier conditions. His back-up did for Philly what they clearly determined Bradford couldn't do: get them to the Super Bowl. In fact, they got there by beating Bradford's next backup. In the meantime, a middling team stayed middling and got smoked by Philly in the NFCCG; we were outcoached by a team that saw that they could kill us with in-breaking routes and knew the Double-A Gap blitz was really a toothless tiger at the end of the day.

We wasted a bunch of draft capital on Bradford because Rick's previous "bold" signing of Hill left us on the loser side of middling. We should have tanked, cleaned house a bit, drafted high and come back stronger. Instead, we stayed middling.....like it seems we always will with current leadership (Wilfs/Rick/Zim).

Philly exploited a weakness of predictability on our part. They new that our defense thought that when the center pointed to the 'M' linebacker that if we were running a blitz or stunt or anything outside of a 'normal' pass rush it would be based on where we thought their blocking assignments were going. So they just started pointing to the wrong guy on purpose. They exploited a predictability in our game. That's as basic of an example of being outcoached as I can think of.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 11:51:31 AM

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Rick has been bold at times (Case Keenum signing).

How is signing a back-up QB to a 1 year, 2M contract bold? He didn't sign him to start - the only reason he played was Bradford got hurt.

Was signing Sean Mannion to a 1-year deal a bold move?

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Signing Joseph, Reiff, Pierce were all bold moves....but he was in a bad spot and in essence bailed himself out (except on the Pierce move). He has been bold on his trades and on most of the FA signings.....

Those aren't bold moves either. Those are the types of moves that every team makes every year.

Drafting players and signing free agents aren't inherantly "bold moves". They're a job description..

It was bold as Case saved our season....how would it have turned out w/o him?
Drafing players and signing FA aren't bold? You can always pick the wrong guy.....picking the right guys is the definition of bold.

I get it now.

Your definition of "bold" is moves that work out.

No...great moves. Jared Allen, Signing Case, Trading Diggs for Cap Room, Picks, and Drafting JJeff.....all bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 11:53:30 AM

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Not surprising that some people do not know what "bold" means. In our current society, it's hard to have a meaningful discussion/debate/argument because basic terms with concrete definitions now have totally fungible meanings to meet the needs of propagandists. It's almost as though there is such a thing as alternative facts.....

Boldness Scale
Allen Trade: Somewhat bold
Diggs Trade: Forced; return commensurate with value
Keenum signing: Mundane

Propagandists/Propaganda Victims: "Boldest moves ever. Like nothing that's been seen before. Only Rick can solve these riddles...."

I wasn't the one that said the GM doesn't do anything bold. You look at the result of the Diggs Trade (trading Diggs/drafting JJeff), signing Keenum and he took us to the NFC Championship game and there are other moves that prove that you can't say he isn't bold at times.

Anyway argue on.

Diggs was gone or a problem. JJ was luck, plain and simple, though at least they recognized his talent. He never should have been available, and counting on a rookie WR (because they couldn't know JJ would be available or start as well as he did) with the rest of the dreck he'd accumulated behind Thielen was reckless and showed his incompetence. Signing Keenum doesn't meet anyone's definition of "bold" except yours, and we already know you struggle with plain language.

Really? You trade away an All-Pro and with that pick you get an All-Pro....not bold at all? You might need to re-read your dictionary. So you thought that all along that was going to work out on the plus side for the Vikes?

I thought we would be hurting at WR after the trade....I was wrong as were the majority plus other teams that drafted WR higher. Makes it a bold move.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 12:01:40 PM

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Rick has been bold at times (Case Keenum signing).

How is signing a back-up QB to a 1 year, 2M contract bold? He didn't sign him to start - the only reason he played was Bradford got hurt.

Was signing Sean Mannion to a 1-year deal a bold move?

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Signing Joseph, Reiff, Pierce were all bold moves....but he was in a bad spot and in essence bailed himself out (except on the Pierce move). He has been bold on his trades and on most of the FA signings.....

Those aren't bold moves either. Those are the types of moves that every team makes every year.

Drafting players and signing free agents aren't inherantly "bold moves". They're a job description..

It was bold as Case saved our season....how would it have turned out w/o him?
Drafing players and signing FA aren't bold? You can always pick the wrong guy.....picking the right guys is the definition of bold.

I get it now.

Your definition of "bold" is moves that work out.

No...great moves. Jared Allen, Signing Case, Trading Diggs for Cap Room, Picks, and Drafting JJeff.....all bold.

Bold also does not equal great...Bold is not inherently positive or negative. Bold is daring or brave. An ability to take risks.

Bold is NOT the result, its the action. Picking the right guy is no more bold than picking the wrong guy. Bold is the risk, not the reward.

Signing a back-up QB to a 1 year deal is not a bold move. Its as mundane of a move as you can make in the NFL.

Trading for Ngakoue was a bold move. It didn't work out. That doesn't make it less bold - just bad.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 12:16:52 PM

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Drafting Moritz Böhringer was bold. Giving Brock Lesnar a try was bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 12:20:38 PM

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Drafting Moritz Böhringer was bold. Giving Brock Lesnar a try was bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 12:44:57 PM

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Drafting Moritz Böhringer was bold. Giving Brock Lesnar a try was bold.

Predicting they would draft Bohringer would be super bold.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2021 12:53:03 PM

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Drafting Moritz Böhringer was bold. Giving Brock Lesnar a try was bold.

Predicting they would draft Bohringer would be super bold.

The prediction was bold. Seeing it come true made it prophetic.

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