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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 4:02:09 PM

Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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I might do a research project at some point - if I have time, which I def do not at this point. The SB ran through NE for a long time. It will through KC for as long as Mahomes stays healthy. A good rushing attack is supposed to keep the opponents high scoring offense off the field. Has that been the case vs Mahomes so far? Is that the way to beat him? Shouldn't take long to look up all the losses and break down the rushing game.

I think to the first time the Bills played Mahomes. They dared KC to beat them with the run, and so KC did. Rushing for over 200 yards. I remember NE having very effective running games when they needed to.

While it is a passing game - more now than ever before, a good defense & scheme can take an element away from an offense. Super bowl offenses are able to adjust and win however needed. That doesn't mean I'm ok with the Cook contract. I thought and think it was stupid.

The problem is you don't know if the opponent built up a lead passing on key downs, etc then ran out the clock in the 4th quarter. An extra 50, 75, or more yards can skew things to make it look like rushing won the game.

I used to try and make that point with a poster who left. I think Todd M paid him a vist. Seemed later Todd was peeved because the guy went and took a nap while Todd was visiting.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 4:05:41 PM

David Levine

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Trading Cook however is not an option due to the dead cap hit.

Sure. But that doesn't alter the basic philosophy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 4:06:49 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I might do a research project at some point - if I have time, which I def do not at this point. The SB ran through NE for a long time. It will through KC for as long as Mahomes stays healthy. A good rushing attack is supposed to keep the opponents high scoring offense off the field. Has that been the case vs Mahomes so far? Is that the way to beat him? Shouldn't take long to look up all the losses and break down the rushing game.

I think to the first time the Bills played Mahomes. They dared KC to beat them with the run, and so KC did. Rushing for over 200 yards. I remember NE having very effective running games when they needed to.

While it is a passing game - more now than ever before, a good defense & scheme can take an element away from an offense. Super bowl offenses are able to adjust and win however needed. That doesn't mean I'm ok with the Cook contract. I thought and think it was stupid.

The problem is you don't know if the opponent built up a lead passing on key downs, etc then ran out the clock in the 4th quarter. An extra 50, 75, or more yards can skew things to make it look like rushing won the game.

I used to try and make that point with a poster who left. I think Todd M paid him a vist. Seemed later Todd was peeved because the guy went and took a nap while Todd was visiting.

Eduardo

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 4:49:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I might do a research project at some point - if I have time, which I def do not at this point. The SB ran through NE for a long time. It will through KC for as long as Mahomes stays healthy. A good rushing attack is supposed to keep the opponents high scoring offense off the field. Has that been the case vs Mahomes so far? Is that the way to beat him? Shouldn't take long to look up all the losses and break down the rushing game.

I think to the first time the Bills played Mahomes. They dared KC to beat them with the run, and so KC did. Rushing for over 200 yards. I remember NE having very effective running games when they needed to.

While it is a passing game - more now than ever before, a good defense & scheme can take an element away from an offense. Super bowl offenses are able to adjust and win however needed. That doesn't mean I'm ok with the Cook contract. I thought and think it was stupid.

The problem is you don't know if the opponent built up a lead passing on key downs, etc then ran out the clock in the 4th quarter. An extra 50, 75, or more yards can skew things to make it look like rushing won the game.

I used to try and make that point with a poster who left. I think Todd M paid him a vist. Seemed later Todd was peeved because the guy went and took a nap while Todd was visiting.

Eduardo

Yes, lol.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:18:10 PM

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Honestly the NFL should just make the Rookie of the Year award a QB award if a guy like Justin Jefferson, who broke Randy Moss’ rookie records, can’t even receive the award.

This is coming from a Packer fan.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:31:05 PM

Brad H

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My point being, Super Bowls are no longer won with great rushing attacks. Haven't been for a long time. So if you have a good back, he could be tremendous trade bait.

You contradicted yourself in one post.

SB teams don't need great RBs but teams hoping to build a SB team(which is the goal of all teams) should trade for a RB.

Go back and read the string again. Half the league still thinks a running game is important.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:37:41 PM

Brad H

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It's a passing league. If trading away Cook could help build up the defense or give us another high draft pick, I'd do it in a heartbeat. This current roster isn't going anywhere, with or without him.

Call it what it is ... rebuilding time.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/5/2021 5:40:44 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:43:43 PM

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The plan:

Pick up one decent o-lineman in free agency

Trade Dalvin Cook to the Jets for the #2 pick

Draft Justin Fields

Fire Zimmer at mid-season

Hire Eric Bienemy at the end of the season

Cut Cousins

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:45:08 PM

Todd M

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I might do a research project at some point - if I have time, which I def do not at this point. The SB ran through NE for a long time. It will through KC for as long as Mahomes stays healthy. A good rushing attack is supposed to keep the opponents high scoring offense off the field. Has that been the case vs Mahomes so far? Is that the way to beat him? Shouldn't take long to look up all the losses and break down the rushing game.

I think to the first time the Bills played Mahomes. They dared KC to beat them with the run, and so KC did. Rushing for over 200 yards. I remember NE having very effective running games when they needed to.

While it is a passing game - more now than ever before, a good defense & scheme can take an element away from an offense. Super bowl offenses are able to adjust and win however needed. That doesn't mean I'm ok with the Cook contract. I thought and think it was stupid.

The problem is you don't know if the opponent built up a lead passing on key downs, etc then ran out the clock in the 4th quarter. An extra 50, 75, or more yards can skew things to make it look like rushing won the game.

I used to try and make that point with a poster who left. I think Todd M paid him a vist. Seemed later Todd was peeved because the guy went and took a nap while Todd was visiting.

Eduardo

Yes, lol.

A "nap" from 3 in the afternoon all the way through my leaving the next morning. I flew up to Pennsylvania for the weekend.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:49:46 PM

Todd M

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The 1st 6 hrs of which he spent locked in his bathroom before he snuck off to bed. It was beyond strange.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 5:50:59 PM

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I thought the world of the guy before that weekend.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 6:10:00 PM

Chris Olson

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yeah, Todd...that was some weird disappearing act...

It was great to meet you and Eduardo, but the whole "come hang out at my bachelor pad with pool and all the finest..." turned into an afternoon with us at his mom's house, green pool and Eduardo on the can and napping...

weird for sure!

at least i only had a 4 hr drive

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 6:10:51 PM

David F.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

I might do a research project at some point - if I have time, which I def do not at this point. The SB ran through NE for a long time. It will through KC for as long as Mahomes stays healthy. A good rushing attack is supposed to keep the opponents high scoring offense off the field. Has that been the case vs Mahomes so far? Is that the way to beat him? Shouldn't take long to look up all the losses and break down the rushing game.

I think to the first time the Bills played Mahomes. They dared KC to beat them with the run, and so KC did. Rushing for over 200 yards. I remember NE having very effective running games when they needed to.

While it is a passing game - more now than ever before, a good defense & scheme can take an element away from an offense. Super bowl offenses are able to adjust and win however needed. That doesn't mean I'm ok with the Cook contract. I thought and think it was stupid.

The Raiders beat them this season by going with a 'bombs away' strategy. They finished with 347 yards passing and 144 yards rushing. The bulk of those rushing yards came in the fourth quarter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 6:20:56 PM

Todd M

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yeah, Todd...that was some weird disappearing act...

It was great to meet you and Eduardo, but the whole "come hang out at my bachelor pad with pool and all the finest..." turned into an afternoon with us at his mom's house, green pool and Eduardo on the can and napping...

weird for sure!

at least i only had a 4 hr drive

I forgot he was nap man on the Sat you visited as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 6:25:25 PM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

yeah, Todd...that was some weird disappearing act...

It was great to meet you and Eduardo, but the whole "come hang out at my bachelor pad with pool and all the finest..." turned into an afternoon with us at his mom's house, green pool and Eduardo on the can and napping...

weird for sure!

at least i only had a 4 hr drive

I forgot he was nap man on the Sat you visited as well.

After 11 months in my house, it sounds strangely interesting at this point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 6:26:15 PM

Todd M

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2 of the 3 trips I've done have been amazing though. Treated to a game by the world class David Frank, and the Seattle get together will always be special to me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 7:00:58 PM

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2 of the 3 trips I've done have been amazing though. Treated to a game by the world class David Frank, and the Seattle get together will always be special to me.

Yep, if not for Christian Ponder ruining it.....

Still a great time

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 7:01:46 PM

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RIP Ward Peterson

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 10:19:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

My point being, Super Bowls are no longer won with great rushing attacks. Haven't been for a long time. So if you have a good back, he could be tremendous trade bait.

You contradicted yourself in one post.

SB teams don't need great RBs but teams hoping to build a SB team(which is the goal of all teams) should trade for a RB.

No contradiction. He's hoping one of the bad teams w/o a RB will overvalue the position:

"Like I said earlier, some still think running back is important."

We're that team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2021 11:33:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I might do a research project at some point - if I have time, which I def do not at this point. The SB ran through NE for a long time. It will through KC for as long as Mahomes stays healthy. A good rushing attack is supposed to keep the opponents high scoring offense off the field. Has that been the case vs Mahomes so far? Is that the way to beat him? Shouldn't take long to look up all the losses and break down the rushing game.

I think to the first time the Bills played Mahomes. They dared KC to beat them with the run, and so KC did. Rushing for over 200 yards. I remember NE having very effective running games when they needed to.

While it is a passing game - more now than ever before, a good defense & scheme can take an element away from an offense. Super bowl offenses are able to adjust and win however needed. That doesn't mean I'm ok with the Cook contract. I thought and think it was stupid.

The problem is you don't know if the opponent built up a lead passing on key downs, etc then ran out the clock in the 4th quarter. An extra 50, 75, or more yards can skew things to make it look like rushing won the game.

I used to try and make that point with a poster who left. I think Todd M paid him a vist. Seemed later Todd was peeved because the guy went and took a nap while Todd was visiting.

Sheesh, haven't gotten past the pre-pre-planning stage. Anything done isn't going to be conclusive - too many variable; small n, Turnovers, etc. But I imagine there is a way to break down rushing yards by quarter. It shouldnt be too tedious because Mahaomes hasn't lost many games.

Just an interesting thought that GMs in the AFC and specifically AFC West have to doing right now as it relates team building. How do you slow down Mahomes? Didn't the Packers load up on defensive backs in the draft in response to Moss and the 98 season?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2021 1:56:58 AM

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The chiefs only lost 2 games this year. The one to the raiders and the last game of the regular season when they rested all their starters

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2021 6:23:59 AM

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RIP Ward Peterson

What?

We lost another poster?

Man...

The guys are falling ..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2021 8:31:40 AM

Bill Jandro

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Trading Cook however is not an option due to the dead cap hit.

It would be bold though. Well, to most of us.

Most bold moves turn into dumb moves.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2021 8:46:51 AM

Bill Jandro

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The plan:

Pick up one decent o-lineman in free agency

Trade Dalvin Cook to the Jets for the #2 pick

Draft Justin Fields

Fire Zimmer at mid-season

Hire Eric Bienemy at the end of the season

Cut Cousins

Philosophy wise sure. But between the Cook and Cousins contracts we'd have a 78ml dead cap hit.

Fact is the Wilf's blew it when they extended Zim and Spielman. Add on that the extensions themselves aren't long enough for Spielman to care about the long term future of the franchise. So expect more bold/stupid moves along with kicking future cap hits down the road.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2021 9:05:34 AM

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How about we quit the shit about trading Cook and improve at QB first? Find a better QB and everything works better.

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