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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I'm always for bringing in vets for a 1 yr, incentive laden, no guarantee money type deal. I would get Trai Turner or Brent Jones (I like Jones a lot more than Dozier), Westbrook, and Griffith (if price is the same - knows the system and rather have him than Kerrigan). I'd also target a Safety.

Let them compete with the youngsters.

No guarantees we can actually sign the player(s) but that would be my goal. DE, WR, S. If a youngster beats them out, I gotta trust the coaches that the youngster is better depth and/or rotational player. Sometimes that's hard, trusting our coaches, but its better than looking at the depth chart and because a guy hasn't played before, having angst about depth.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

While a true statement. Not a smart thing to say about your qb.

Like I've been saying all along, Cousins does not have the respect of the players around him. He's not a leader and doesn't have that "it". It really shows up in the final two minutes of a half where he had the No. 30 QB Rating in the league last season.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.

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Dede Westbrook is a player. If you can get him at a decent price, you do it immediately. He was in a terrible situation in Jacksonville. That guy could be a star in the right situation.

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Dede Westbrook is a player. If you can get him at a decent price, you do it immediately. He was in a terrible situation in Jacksonville. That guy could be a star in the right situation.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.

Yes he had 60 recs. How good were the Jags those two years.
He tore his ACL late October. Also there is this little tidbit:

The Jaguars placed Westbrook on injured reserve Monday, leaving the team with five receivers on the active roster. The season-ending setback comes at a tough time for Westbrook, who was bound for free agency this offseason. Given that he may not be back to full health for the start of the 2021 season, he could remain unsigned deep into the summer. Westbrook's stock had already dropped steeply before he suffered the ACL tear, as the 26-year-old had essentially been squeezed out of Jacksonville's rotation at receiver following back-to-back 60-catch campaigns. He was active for just the second time all season Sunday, playing all 11 of his snaps on special teams.

I know there was a ton of promise for him and like I said he has been disappointing. Like I said earlier Kerrigan has a better chance to contribute.

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Westbrook tore his ACL last Oct. We'd need to make it a two year deal otherwise we'd just be paying him to be a roster liability on the roster this year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

While a true statement. Not a smart thing to say about your qb.

Like I've been saying all along, Cousins does not have the respect of the players around him. He's not a leader and doesn't have that "it". It really shows up in the final two minutes of a half where he had the No. 30 QB Rating in the league last season.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.

Yes he had 60 recs. How good were the Jags those two years.
He tore his ACL late October. Also there is this little tidbit:

The Jaguars placed Westbrook on injured reserve Monday, leaving the team with five receivers on the active roster. The season-ending setback comes at a tough time for Westbrook, who was bound for free agency this offseason. Given that he may not be back to full health for the start of the 2021 season, he could remain unsigned deep into the summer. Westbrook's stock had already dropped steeply before he suffered the ACL tear, as the 26-year-old had essentially been squeezed out of Jacksonville's rotation at receiver following back-to-back 60-catch campaigns. He was active for just the second time all season Sunday, playing all 11 of his snaps on special teams.

I know there was a ton of promise for him and like I said he has been disappointing. Like I said earlier Kerrigan has a better chance to contribute.

Disappointing? Not sure what your expectations are for a 4th rounder with his production on a wr deep team. Let us all bend the knee and pray that Smith-Marsette contributes half as much.

Lets just say, if healthy, he would be a step up from Bisi Beebe (and Sharpe last offseason). I know its heresy in here, but the chances of ISM putting up 66 recs a season are slim. Certainly not year one.

A fifth yr player coming off injury is risky but honestly, its the only way for Spielman to take a sniff of a WR or G or DE or S or TE right now (where we could still need help) ... the goods have to be a little damaged.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

While a true statement. Not a smart thing to say about your qb.

Like I've been saying all along, Cousins does not have the respect of the players around him. He's not a leader and doesn't have that "it". It really shows up in the final two minutes of a half where he had the No. 30 QB Rating in the league last season.

Maybe Dad will let you drive on the driveway after Wapner.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

2021 NFL schedule comes out tonight! Aside from actually going to the games and maybe the draft this is the single most exciting day for someone who attends games. I'm jacked. Over the next month we get to plan out which games to attend, which games to sell, and pick one away game. I'm hoping for AZ but who knows?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

2021 NFL schedule comes out tonight! Aside from actually going to the games and maybe the draft this is the single most exciting day for someone who attends games. I'm jacked. Over the next month we get to plan out which games to attend, which games to sell, and pick one away game. I'm hoping for AZ but who knows?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

2021 NFL schedule comes out tonight! Aside from actually going to the games and maybe the draft this is the single most exciting day for someone who attends games. I'm jacked. Over the next month we get to plan out which games to attend, which games to sell, and pick one away game. I'm hoping for AZ but who knows?

Think Chargers, young man.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Westbrook tore his ACL last Oct. We'd need to make it a two year deal otherwise we'd just be paying him to be a roster liability on the roster this year.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David F.

2021 NFL schedule comes out tonight! Aside from actually going to the games and maybe the draft this is the single most exciting day for someone who attends games. I'm jacked. Over the next month we get to plan out which games to attend, which games to sell, and pick one away game. I'm hoping for AZ but who knows?

Think Chargers, young man.

LA is a fun place to visit.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

Awww, you and Tom are BFFs. Funny, the last time you alluded to that, Tom summarily corrected you.

Well, hopefully the regime is smarter than you WRT Kerrigan. Not only will he steal reps, he will probably steal a roster spot from one of the rookies you trumpet on about.