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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 3:04:00 PM   
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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.


I'm not sure I would want to plug in a DE at our WR3 spot.

I don't believe I stated that they were. Paragraph 1 was about WR. Paragraph 2 was about Kerrigan at DE.

I got your back on this one. Bigo was reaching to bring the snark.


Normally everyone but you recognizes the ridiculous.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 3:24:35 PM   
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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!


SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.


Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.


So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...



Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook).

Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 4:18:46 PM   
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Oh boy did this guy pass thru the Threads in the day.

RIP Colt.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 4:41:58 PM   
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RIP Colt.


37, jeez
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 5:08:12 PM   
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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!


SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.


Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.


So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...



Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 6:06:46 PM   
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Schedule looks challenging.

Week 7 bye.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 6:34:36 PM   
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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

When I watched the Marsette Highlight I saw a player good at catching contested passes who seemed to have to catch far too many contested passes. In a highlight reel particularly shouldn't he be getting wide open?


If he's willing to work and learn, he's got two very good route runners to help him get wide open to learn from.

I expect Marsette to make the team and maybe even be our #3 eventually. I just am not too excited regarding him at this point. When I watched JJ highlights last year he was almost always wide open.

He can return punts...

so He can contribute there right away.

And in the attached highlights above he was open a lot.
I wouldn't expect JJ level burst onto the scene, but I do think he will be a big part of our offense eventually.

Is this based on his zero punt returns at Iowa? He literally never even caught a punt in a game in college, so why why the declaration of certainty that he can contribute as a punt returner right away?

I am optimistic about him and all the draft picks, as I always am because I'm a fan, but we don't have to embrace fiction or fantasy. The Iowa State RB is very fast, but for some reason couldn't get carries in college...in spite of being a very fast one-cut runner. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be a poor man's Michael Bennett. Smith-Marsette has actual game production to base optimism on, but never as a punt returner. But people tout the pick based in part on his immediate impact as a punt returner (not just you). I have to say I don't get it.

Question to the team? Who will handle Punt Returns this year? I actually have no idea?

Whop Philyor
Chad Beebe
Mike Hughes
KJ Osborn
Kene Nwangwu
Blake Proehl

A very uninspiring group

Sign a free agent that could pass as a 4th or 5th WR

Jamal Agnew
Tavon Austin
Tyler Ervin
Pharoh Cooper
Andre Roberts

It's really much more of an issue than KO return, and I don't have any idea. It could be Smith-Marsette, Beebe, Hughes (why not?), Osborn if he's shown anything in the offseason, etc.



Maybe this will be our 3rd wide out and PR/KR

According to ESPN reporter Josina Anderson, the Vikings are interested in the former Jaguars WR Dede Westbrook. Westbrook has had early successes in his career so far, and would join a talented receiver room with Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen.

The interest comes in no surprise as Vikings hired former Jaguars WR coach Keenan McCardell this off-season. McCardell is a big fan of Dede Westbrook. The four year pro had a quiet season last year, but would get plenty of opportunities on a Vikings’s squad looking for some much needed depth.

The signing would provide the Vikings with a quality third option in the wide receiving core and would allow Viking’s rookie Ihmir Smith-Marsette some time to develop and gain some strength. Stay tuned for more news regarding the situation.


Had a quiet season, LMAO. Like a realtor saying a house is quaint. Nevertheless, hope he pans out. Hoped and thought Tajae Sharp would have last year.

But 7 career KRs and you are throwing out KR duties as a maybe?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 6:41:52 PM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.


Unmonitored lol... it is the no-spin zone over there in that spin gets called out.

When stupidity prevails, only the stupid will be left here.

But there is some validity to your post. Why just the other day I told Tom to stop chewing up Phil
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 6:44:40 PM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.

The Viking thread has it's own grudges that have nothing to do with the political thread. As far as "unmonitored" the last poster we removed was due to conduct on the political thread, so it clearly is monitored.

Beyond that, yes please let's put the grudges aside and talk football.


You need a pistol whipping.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 6:54:39 PM   
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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.


That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.



What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 7:02:49 PM   
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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.


I'm not sure I would want to plug in a DE at our WR3 spot.

I don't believe I stated that they were. Paragraph 1 was about WR. Paragraph 2 was about Kerrigan at DE.

I got your back on this one. Bigo was reaching to bring the snark.


Literally less than 7 minutes prior to you posting this you said: Let's all be respectful of each other. I don't always follow this advice, but I will try.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 7:13:50 PM   
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Bringing in Kerrigan is like Denny signing Bryce Paup.

Nothing like a has-been to take very valuable reps from the draftees of the past two years. And even Weatherly for that matter.

Folks need to realize this isn't the 1900s where teams practiced tons of two-a-days. The CBA has curtailed that significantly. And in season reps? Fuggedaboutit.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 7:33:08 PM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.


Unmonitored lol... it is the no-spin zone over there in that spin gets called out.

When stupidity prevails, only the stupid will be left here.

But there is some validity to your post. Why just the other day I told Tom to stop chewing up Phil

Yeah ok, lol. Anyway, I've calmed down and I'm part of the establishment now.

Kind of like Donald Sutherland in The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 8:08:07 PM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.

The Viking thread has it's own grudges that have nothing to do with the political thread. As far as "unmonitored" the last poster we removed was due to conduct on the political thread, so it clearly is monitored.

Beyond that, yes please let's put the grudges aside and talk football.


You need a pistol whipping.

As long as I don't get culled from the heard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 8:44:05 PM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.


Unmonitored lol... it is the no-spin zone over there in that spin gets called out.

When stupidity prevails, only the stupid will be left here.

But there is some validity to your post. Why just the other day I told Tom to stop chewing up Phil

Yeah ok, lol. Anyway, I've calmed down and I'm part of the establishment now.

Kind of like Donald Sutherland in The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.


Is that the movie where they take the stupid pill while the Canucks rate every line in the movie theater?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 8:46:58 PM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.

The Viking thread has it's own grudges that have nothing to do with the political thread. As far as "unmonitored" the last poster we removed was due to conduct on the political thread, so it clearly is monitored.

Beyond that, yes please let's put the grudges aside and talk football.


You need a pistol whipping.

As long as I don't get culled from the heard.


The gentleman you are referring to snapped to attention after facing reality.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 8:50:42 PM   
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I'm always for bringing in vets for a 1 yr, incentive laden, no guarantee money type deal. I would get Trai Turner or Brent Jones (I like Jones a lot more than Dozier), Westbrook, and Griffith (if price is the same - knows the system and rather have him than Kerrigan). I'd also target a Safety.

Let them compete with the youngsters.

No guarantees we can actually sign the player(s) but that would be my goal. DE, WR, S. If a youngster beats them out, I gotta trust the coaches that the youngster is better depth and/or rotational player. Sometimes that's hard, trusting our coaches, but its better than looking at the depth chart and because a guy hasn't played before, having angst about depth.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 9:15:34 PM   
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Since we haven't talked about Cousins in a hot minute, came across an interesting exchange. The copy and paste didn't work well.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/5/5/22421664/kollmann-thinks-vikes-got-the-sod


"He played his worst game of the year in the second to last game of the season at home against the Packers and lost with the division on the line. In other words, he choked."

In the second to last game of the 2019 season, the Vikings had a 10-9 lead at the half. Rodgers and Cousins both had terrible days. They each threw an interception, which the other team followed up with a touchdown. They traded sacks back and forth through the first three-and-a-half quarters, at which time the score was 17-10, Green Bay, following Aaron Jones' first TD run of the game near the end of the 3rd quarter. Jones then broke off a 56-yard TD run, making the score 23-10. Cousins would be sacked on each of the next two drives, a holding call on Reiff would negate a 53-yard pass to Bisi Johnson, and the game was lost.

I can't say whether Cousins or Rodgers choked that day. Cousins threw one more "bad pass" than Rodgers, according to the box score on Pro Football Reference, while he was also pressured three more times than Rodgers. The big difference that day was that we were missing both Dalvin Cook and Alexander Mattison, and the Packers were able to totally contain Mike Boone, while Jones was able to ground out 90 yards and a TD even before his 56-yarder, and ended the day with 153 yards on the ground all by himself, compared to our 57 yards. No, Cousins did not pick up the Cook- and Mattison-less team, put it on his shoulders, and carry it to victory, not in the face of five sacks, three hurries and a hit, he didn't. Maybe he choked, maybe he didn't, but unlike Aaron, he didn't have a RB1 to save him and the team.

"He...can't escape pocket pressure. The only times he effectively uses his legs are during designed roll-outs."

You know, weasel words and phrases like "sometimes" and "he has trouble..." are our friends. There were several times last year when Cousins in fact escaped pressure and used his legs to gain yardage even when they weren't designed roll-outs. Even folks here who agree with you about Cousins in general will acknowledge that, but you have to stick with your narrative of "can't" and "only," even when the evidence is out there contradicting you.

"The man is 51-51-2 lifetime as a starter. And he's 7-31 against teams with a winning record."

The record against teams with a winning record is pretty much the only record of Kirk's that concerns me. His overall W-L record is easy to explain by the mediocre to bad teams he QB'd in Washington and the woeful offensive lines, play calling (in 2018) and defense (in 2020) he's had to endure in Minnesota.

"Sure, you can point to an outlier statistic or game he won; for example, his New Orleans win or a comeback here and there."

Using the numbers for Fourth Quarter Comebacks (4QC) and Game-Winning Drives (GWD) at Pro Football Reference, Cousins' career combined regular season 4QC/GWD rate is actually higher than Tom Brady's, Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's, and not far behind Drew Brees' (it's in the post-season that Brady nearly doubles his regular season rate). Cousins only had one 4QC and/or GWD apiece in 2018 and 2019, but he had three last year, even with the awful D and awful pass blocking. So no, should the Vikings fall behind, I won't "forget about it."

Cousins is what he has always been, a good, clearly above average quarterback who ranks somewhere between the 8th (if I'm being generous) and 13th best in the league, and he and his agents have played the free agent market like a violin, which doesn't break my heart in the least. He's not average, he's not mediocre, he's better than that, and he's got a certain degree of dorky moxy, if not spunk, but that's OK, because I hate spunk! In the grand tradition of Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles, I still think Cousins gives us a chance to get to and win a Super Bowl, and no, he doesn't need everything perfect, he just needs a good - that's GOOD - running game, OL and defense.

But we can agree to disagree.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 10:59:11 PM   
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Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/11/2021 11:07:45 PM   
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Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/


I like both quite a bit. I don't have a problem with what JJ. It's true.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/12/2021 12:16:10 AM   
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Thielen might get 120 catches in 2021
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/12/2021 3:27:53 AM   
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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.


Unmonitored lol... it is the no-spin zone over there in that spin gets called out.

When stupidity prevails, only the stupid will be left here.

But there is some validity to your post. Why just the other day I told Tom to stop chewing up Phil

Yeah ok, lol. Anyway, I've calmed down and I'm part of the establishment now.

Kind of like Donald Sutherland in The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.


Is that the movie where they take the stupid pill while the Canucks rate every line in the movie theater?

I’m not familiar with your reference (mystery science theater?) but I was talking about being assimilated into a quiet alien takeover.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/12/2021 4:07:47 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I'm always for bringing in vets for a 1 yr, incentive laden, no guarantee money type deal. I would get Trai Turner or Brent Jones (I like Jones a lot more than Dozier), Westbrook, and Griffith (if price is the same - knows the system and rather have him than Kerrigan). I'd also target a Safety.

Let them compete with the youngsters.

No guarantees we can actually sign the player(s) but that would be my goal. DE, WR, S. If a youngster beats them out, I gotta trust the coaches that the youngster is better depth and/or rotational player. Sometimes that's hard, trusting our coaches, but its better than looking at the depth chart and because a guy hasn't played before, having angst about depth.

The angst comes from seeing the coaches making headscratching moves and not seeing what the young untested players are doing in practice.

Holding expectations in check while others are raving about a new late rd draft pick is also sometimes viewed in here as angst or debbie downerism.

I would not add Brett Jones at this point ... they made their G/C combo choice and paid Cole instead ... it would not surprise me if the only deciding factor is Cole being 6’5 and Jones being 6’2, per Zim’s current fixation.

I agree that Griffith and Kerrigan are nearly a wash ... however, if Griffith is publicly asking for a return and we are kicking the tires elsewhere, maybe there’s still some concern over Griffith and we’ve moved on.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/12/2021 6:49:30 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

While a true statement. Not a smart thing to say about your qb.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 5/12/2021 6:56:48 AM   
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

While a true statement. Not a smart thing to say about your qb.

Like I've been saying all along, Cousins does not have the respect of the players around him. He's not a leader and doesn't have that "it". It really shows up in the final two minutes of a half where he had the No. 30 QB Rating in the league last season.

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