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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.

Yes he had 60 recs. How good were the Jags those two years.
He tore his ACL late October. Also there is this little tidbit:

The Jaguars placed Westbrook on injured reserve Monday, leaving the team with five receivers on the active roster. The season-ending setback comes at a tough time for Westbrook, who was bound for free agency this offseason. Given that he may not be back to full health for the start of the 2021 season, he could remain unsigned deep into the summer. Westbrook's stock had already dropped steeply before he suffered the ACL tear, as the 26-year-old had essentially been squeezed out of Jacksonville's rotation at receiver following back-to-back 60-catch campaigns. He was active for just the second time all season Sunday, playing all 11 of his snaps on special teams.

I know there was a ton of promise for him and like I said he has been disappointing. Like I said earlier Kerrigan has a better chance to contribute.

Disappointing? Not sure what your expectations are for a 4th rounder with his production on a wr deep team. Let us all bend the knee and pray that Smith-Marsette contributes half as much.

Lets just say, if healthy, he would be a step up from Bisi Beebe (and Sharpe last offseason). I know its heresy in here, but the chances of ISM putting up 66 recs a season are slim. Certainly not year one.

A fifth yr player coming off injury is risky but honestly, its the only way for Spielman to take a sniff of a WR or G or DE or S or TE right now (where we could still need help) ... the goods have to be a little damaged.

Who said ISM is going to have 66 recs? I don't care who the WR is...they might hit gold with Westbrook, ISM, Myron Mitchell, or Whop or whomever. Just providing you with facts found on the Jax website. He barely played last year except on ST.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.

Yes he had 60 recs. How good were the Jags those two years.
He tore his ACL late October. Also there is this little tidbit:

The Jaguars placed Westbrook on injured reserve Monday, leaving the team with five receivers on the active roster. The season-ending setback comes at a tough time for Westbrook, who was bound for free agency this offseason. Given that he may not be back to full health for the start of the 2021 season, he could remain unsigned deep into the summer. Westbrook's stock had already dropped steeply before he suffered the ACL tear, as the 26-year-old had essentially been squeezed out of Jacksonville's rotation at receiver following back-to-back 60-catch campaigns. He was active for just the second time all season Sunday, playing all 11 of his snaps on special teams.

I know there was a ton of promise for him and like I said he has been disappointing. Like I said earlier Kerrigan has a better chance to contribute.

Disappointing? Not sure what your expectations are for a 4th rounder with his production on a wr deep team. Let us all bend the knee and pray that Smith-Marsette contributes half as much.

Lets just say, if healthy, he would be a step up from Bisi Beebe (and Sharpe last offseason). I know its heresy in here, but the chances of ISM putting up 66 recs a season are slim. Certainly not year one.

A fifth yr player coming off injury is risky but honestly, its the only way for Spielman to take a sniff of a WR or G or DE or S or TE right now (where we could still need help) ... the goods have to be a little damaged.

Who said ISM is going to have 66 recs? I don't care who the WR is...they might hit gold with Westbrook, ISM, Myron Mitchell, or Whop or whomever. Just providing you with facts found on the Jax website. He barely played last year except on ST.

You are shifting from 'Westbrook is disappointing' to 'I never said ISM would have 66 recs'. I'm not even saying Westbrook will have 66 RECs should we sign him, very very doubtful. 66 recs (twice) is just a number that demonstrates an ability to produce – none of our back-up WRs have come close to that.

Westbrook probably gives you (at some point) a 3rd WR who can mop up with Thielen and JJ on the field, and give you better injury insurance than we currently have.

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

Awww, you and Tom are BFFs. Funny, the last time you alluded to that, Tom summarily corrected you.

Well, hopefully the regime is smarter than you WRT Kerrigan. Not only will he steal reps, he will probably steal a roster spot from one of the rookies you trumpet on about.

Look back at the post....I thought Kerrigan would help us sooner than Westbrook. Lots of questions at DE; more than WR.
I don't care if they sign both or neither. I don't care what Tom thinks of me. All I know is that I didn't attack him and then lie on the next post---So Bill like.
Bill always thinks he is right.
Would you rather have Chase or Kerrigan on Washington.....would you rather have Weatherly or Kerrigan on the Vikes? That might be what it comes down to.
Jones and Robinson likely won't be ready so DE is Hunter, Wonnum, Weatherly right now---Holmes likely cut. Maybe Willkees/Brailford.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

Just them bringing in Westbrook and Kerrigan gives us some hope....(more Kerrigan then Westbrook
Kerrigan has performed and Westbrook was always a potential guy....but it makes sense.

Westbrook had over 60 recs in both 2018 and 2019 (before missing last year). More than just developmental - if healthy he is a notch above our usual non-starter get, for sure. It sounds like the Chiefs are charging hard at the guy though ... hard to compete with that.

Yes he had 60 recs. How good were the Jags those two years.
He tore his ACL late October. Also there is this little tidbit:

The Jaguars placed Westbrook on injured reserve Monday, leaving the team with five receivers on the active roster. The season-ending setback comes at a tough time for Westbrook, who was bound for free agency this offseason. Given that he may not be back to full health for the start of the 2021 season, he could remain unsigned deep into the summer. Westbrook's stock had already dropped steeply before he suffered the ACL tear, as the 26-year-old had essentially been squeezed out of Jacksonville's rotation at receiver following back-to-back 60-catch campaigns. He was active for just the second time all season Sunday, playing all 11 of his snaps on special teams.

I know there was a ton of promise for him and like I said he has been disappointing. Like I said earlier Kerrigan has a better chance to contribute.

Disappointing? Not sure what your expectations are for a 4th rounder with his production on a wr deep team. Let us all bend the knee and pray that Smith-Marsette contributes half as much.

Lets just say, if healthy, he would be a step up from Bisi Beebe (and Sharpe last offseason). I know its heresy in here, but the chances of ISM putting up 66 recs a season are slim. Certainly not year one.

A fifth yr player coming off injury is risky but honestly, its the only way for Spielman to take a sniff of a WR or G or DE or S or TE right now (where we could still need help) ... the goods have to be a little damaged.

Who said ISM is going to have 66 recs? I don't care who the WR is...they might hit gold with Westbrook, ISM, Myron Mitchell, or Whop or whomever. Just providing you with facts found on the Jax website. He barely played last year except on ST.

You are shifting from 'Westbrook is disappointing' to 'I never said ISM would have 66 recs'. I'm not even saying Westbrook will have 66 RECs should we sign him, very very doubtful. 66 recs (twice) is just a number that demonstrates an ability to produce – none of our back-up WRs have come close to that.

Westbrook probably gives you (at some point) a 3rd WR who can mop up with Thielen and JJ on the field, and give you better injury insurance than we currently have.

I posted exactly what came from Jax site. I think not seeing the field except for ST is disappointing. I have no problem with Westbrook but I like Kerrigan as a FA better. Calm down. Just my opinion. DE is a bigger mess.

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Westbrook tore his ACL last Oct. We'd need to make it a two year deal otherwise we'd just be paying him to be a roster liability on the roster this year.

ACL surgery and recovery have come a long ways since the old "2 year recovery" time table.

Some athletes are ready to play as soon as 7 months after surgery. 9 months appears to be closer to a standard.

Westbrook tore an ACL during Week 7 and finished the season on injured reserve. He is expected to be ready to play by August.

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Westbrook tore his ACL last Oct. We'd need to make it a two year deal otherwise we'd just be paying him to be a roster liability on the roster this year.

ACL surgery and recovery have come a long ways since the old "2 year recovery" time table.

Some athletes are ready to play as soon as 7 months after surgery. 9 months appears to be closer to a standard.

Westbrook tore an ACL during Week 7 and finished the season on injured reserve. He is expected to be ready to play by August.

Your going to have to convince me. Both Hughes and Cook had zero explosion the following season and both we're hurt week 4ish.

Other than AD I'd need some examples of players that not just played. But played at an exceptional level one year post surgery.

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Westbrook tore his ACL last Oct. We'd need to make it a two year deal otherwise we'd just be paying him to be a roster liability on the roster this year.

ACL surgery and recovery have come a long ways since the old "2 year recovery" time table.

Some athletes are ready to play as soon as 7 months after surgery. 9 months appears to be closer to a standard.

Westbrook tore an ACL during Week 7 and finished the season on injured reserve. He is expected to be ready to play by August.

Your going to have to convince me. Both Hughes and Cook had zero explosion the following season and both we're hurt week 4ish.

Other than AD I'd need some examples of players that not just played. But played at an exceptional level one year post surgery.

There is nothing to indicate that Cook didn't have explosion when he returned. His yards per touch was consistent with the rest of his career. What was different was his workload, with the Vikings opting to be cautious.

I also didn't notice Hughes being less explosive than any other year. He just isn't that good.

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Westbrook tore his ACL last Oct. We'd need to make it a two year deal otherwise we'd just be paying him to be a roster liability on the roster this year.

ACL surgery and recovery have come a long ways since the old "2 year recovery" time table.

Some athletes are ready to play as soon as 7 months after surgery. 9 months appears to be closer to a standard.

Westbrook tore an ACL during Week 7 and finished the season on injured reserve. He is expected to be ready to play by August.

Your going to have to convince me. Both Hughes and Cook had zero explosion the following season and both we're hurt week 4ish.

Other than AD I'd need some examples of players that not just played. But played at an exceptional level one year post surgery.

There is nothing to indicate that Cook didn't have explosion when he returned. His yards per touch was consistent with the rest of his career. What was different was his workload, with the Vikings opting to be cautious.

I also didn't notice Hughes being less explosive than any other year. He just isn't that good.

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Jefferson missed the rookie symposium where they teach you how to give generic answers and never really offer an opinion. It's not very flattering of Kirk Cousins.

https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/justin-jefferson-takes-huge-dump-on-kirk-cousins-while-comparing-him-to-joe-burrow/

While a true statement. Not a smart thing to say about your qb.

Like I've been saying all along, Cousins does not have the respect of the players around him. He's not a leader and doesn't have that "it". It really shows up in the final two minutes of a half where he had the No. 30 QB Rating in the league last season.

Maybe Dad will let you drive on the driveway after Wapner.

Justin Jefferson said what I have been saying all along. You may not like it, but it's the truth and sometimes the truth is a painful reality.

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

Awww, you and Tom are BFFs. Funny, the last time you alluded to that, Tom summarily corrected you.

Well, hopefully the regime is smarter than you WRT Kerrigan. Not only will he steal reps, he will probably steal a roster spot from one of the rookies you trumpet on about.

Look back at the post....I thought Kerrigan would help us sooner than Westbrook. Lots of questions at DE; more than WR.
I don't care if they sign both or neither. I don't care what Tom thinks of me. All I know is that I didn't attack him and then lie on the next post---So Bill like.
Bill always thinks he is right.
Would you rather have Chase or Kerrigan on Washington.....would you rather have Weatherly or Kerrigan on the Vikes? That might be what it comes down to.
Jones and Robinson likely won't be ready so DE is Hunter, Wonnum, Weatherly right now---Holmes likely cut. Maybe Willkees/Brailford.

You must be a kid. I point out your lies and then you falsely say I lie. Same with other aspects of your flawed posts. I and others routinely catch you lying, you get boxed in, so resort to "uh, uh, you".

Chase Young is an All-Pro eh? Lie or ignorance?

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When all three of the top/ starting WR’s either directly or indirectly are dissatisfied with the ability of your teams starting QB…..

Jefferson, Diggs, Theilen…

I would tend to say that where there is a fn smoldering dumpster fire… there’s is actually a smoldering dumpster fire..

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

Awww, you and Tom are BFFs. Funny, the last time you alluded to that, Tom summarily corrected you.

Well, hopefully the regime is smarter than you WRT Kerrigan. Not only will he steal reps, he will probably steal a roster spot from one of the rookies you trumpet on about.

Look back at the post....I thought Kerrigan would help us sooner than Westbrook. Lots of questions at DE; more than WR.
I don't care if they sign both or neither. I don't care what Tom thinks of me. All I know is that I didn't attack him and then lie on the next post---So Bill like.
Bill always thinks he is right.
Would you rather have Chase or Kerrigan on Washington.....would you rather have Weatherly or Kerrigan on the Vikes? That might be what it comes down to.
Jones and Robinson likely won't be ready so DE is Hunter, Wonnum, Weatherly right now---Holmes likely cut. Maybe Willkees/Brailford.

You must be a kid. I point out your lies and then you falsely say I lie. Same with other aspects of your flawed posts. I and others routinely catch you lying, you get boxed in, so resort to "uh, uh, you".

Chase Young is an All-Pro eh? Lie or ignorance?

Which one of your lies you want to start with?
1) I never said Tom and I were buds...I said we resolved the last conflict LIE
2) You were right on Chase Young but would you rather have Chase Young or Kerrigan (we aren't going to pay him that kind of money) Not A LIE (Exaggeration on my part but he is 22 and a top 3 pick in the draft) so I should have said future Possible All-Pro
3) I haven't trumpet about any of the rookie DE...don't know squat about either one....I like Wonnum and he is a 2nd year player, Brailford who I commented about showing a little bit in one game also isn't a rookie. LIE

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

Awww, you and Tom are BFFs. Funny, the last time you alluded to that, Tom summarily corrected you.

Well, hopefully the regime is smarter than you WRT Kerrigan. Not only will he steal reps, he will probably steal a roster spot from one of the rookies you trumpet on about.

Look back at the post....I thought Kerrigan would help us sooner than Westbrook. Lots of questions at DE; more than WR.
I don't care if they sign both or neither. I don't care what Tom thinks of me. All I know is that I didn't attack him and then lie on the next post---So Bill like.
Bill always thinks he is right.
Would you rather have Chase or Kerrigan on Washington.....would you rather have Weatherly or Kerrigan on the Vikes? That might be what it comes down to.
Jones and Robinson likely won't be ready so DE is Hunter, Wonnum, Weatherly right now---Holmes likely cut. Maybe Willkees/Brailford.

You must be a kid. I point out your lies and then you falsely say I lie. Same with other aspects of your flawed posts. I and others routinely catch you lying, you get boxed in, so resort to "uh, uh, you".

Chase Young is an All-Pro eh? Lie or ignorance?

Which one of your lies you want to start with?
1) I never said Tom and I were buds...I said we resolved the last conflict LIE
2) You were right on Chase Young but would you rather have Chase Young or Kerrigan (we aren't going to pay him that kind of money) Not A LIE (Exaggeration on my part but he is 22 and a top 3 pick in the draft) so I should have said future Possible All-Pro
3) I haven't trumpet about any of the rookie DE...don't know squat about either one....I like Wonnum and he is a 2nd year player, Brailford who I commented about showing a little bit in one game also isn't a rookie. LIE

How in the F have you managed to steer this to be about ANYTHING tied to the Vikings getting Chase Young? Somehow you did!

And yes I was right about his status, but more to the point... you were wrong (saw you couldn't even admit it).

You and Tom, trumpeting a rookie... standard banter. I suspect you have a condition that doesn't allow you to see that.

OMG, you are losing it.

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

That would be a good signing....very good player at Washington.

What about his falling off a cliff in 2019 at age 30 and reserve role in 2021 intrigues you?

I don't know how much 1-2 million dollars brings you but I will take 5.5 sacks for (a part time role) falling off of a cliff. Also there is the All Pro named Chase Young that they threw a lot of money at.

Nice of you to jump back in after many hours to throw your less than 2 cents in again.

Tom and I talked thru our conflict....something you have yet to learn as many times you are the only one that thinks you are right.

Awww, you and Tom are BFFs. Funny, the last time you alluded to that, Tom summarily corrected you.

Well, hopefully the regime is smarter than you WRT Kerrigan. Not only will he steal reps, he will probably steal a roster spot from one of the rookies you trumpet on about.

Look back at the post....I thought Kerrigan would help us sooner than Westbrook. Lots of questions at DE; more than WR.
I don't care if they sign both or neither. I don't care what Tom thinks of me. All I know is that I didn't attack him and then lie on the next post---So Bill like.
Bill always thinks he is right.
Would you rather have Chase or Kerrigan on Washington.....would you rather have Weatherly or Kerrigan on the Vikes? That might be what it comes down to.
Jones and Robinson likely won't be ready so DE is Hunter, Wonnum, Weatherly right now---Holmes likely cut. Maybe Willkees/Brailford.

You must be a kid. I point out your lies and then you falsely say I lie. Same with other aspects of your flawed posts. I and others routinely catch you lying, you get boxed in, so resort to "uh, uh, you".

Chase Young is an All-Pro eh? Lie or ignorance?

Which one of your lies you want to start with?
1) I never said Tom and I were buds...I said we resolved the last conflict LIE
2) You were right on Chase Young but would you rather have Chase Young or Kerrigan (we aren't going to pay him that kind of money) Not A LIE (Exaggeration on my part but he is 22 and a top 3 pick in the draft) so I should have said future Possible All-Pro
3) I haven't trumpet about any of the rookie DE...don't know squat about either one....I like Wonnum and he is a 2nd year player, Brailford who I commented about showing a little bit in one game also isn't a rookie. LIE

How in the F have you managed to steer this to be about ANYTHING tied to the Vikings getting Chase Young? Somehow you did!

And yes I was right about his status, but more to the point... you were wrong (saw you couldn't even admit it).

You and Tom, trumpeting a rookie... standard banter. I suspect you have a condition that doesn't allow you to see that.

OMG, you are losing it.

What DE rookie can you find me trumpet about? Look it up on the Draft Thread. Same for rookie WR? I don't give two shits if any of the rookie WRs or DEs make the team. It just looks like a good draft pick. I thought that being a 3rd WR with JJ/Thielen it would make it easy to get 20-30 catches if they do anything. If trumpeting is saying 20 catches is possible sign me up....lol

You two need to go back to bed but first call each other or pm each other for your next move.

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Sudden denials about the DEs after proclaiming "very good depth". Forget Twilight Zone, this is The Outer Limits.

I like Kerrigan better than Wonnum and Weatherly....Cut Holmes, Willekes and maybe Weatherly. Get over it. Does that equal trumpeting rookies......again look back and see what I have said about Jones or Robinson....I know nothing about either.

If we can get Kerrigan for Cheap sign me up.

Quit being dumb Bill. You think Washington was going to pay both Chase and Kerrigan big money?

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Sudden denials about the DEs after proclaiming "very good depth". Forget Twilight Zone, this is The Outer Limits.

I like Kerrigan better than Wonnum and Weatherly....Cut Holmes, Willekes and maybe Weatherly. Get over it. Does that equal trumpeting rookies......again look back and see what I have said about Jones or Robinson....I know nothing about either.

If we can get Kerrigan for Cheap sign me up.

Quit being dumb Bill. You think Washington was going to pay both Chase and Kerrigan big money?

Like I said initially that caused you to get all bent out of shape, enjoy your has-been Kerrigan acquisition. I'm hoping for max reps amongst the youngsters to see if there is someone who will pan out.

Speaking of dumb, you've got that cornered.