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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/29/2022 9:10:28 PM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 11:39:24 AM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.

I just think we need to match up our biggest need with a blue chip prospect(Stingley, Sauce) Or a trade down for McDuffie or Booth Jr.

There will be some quality WRs at #46 if we want to go that route.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 1:14:53 PM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.



i kind of agree with you...I've seen some mocks that have us trading back with Pittsburg, and finding drake london still there at #20 - and us pulling the trigger there, while drafting cb's with our 2nd & 3rd rounders and a top guard with pitt's traded 2nd....

london - CB - guard - CB --- that seems like a nice draft right there...we'd be setting the table for our 1st round quarterback pick in 2023....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 2:15:30 PM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.



i kind of agree with you...I've seen some mocks that have us trading back with Pittsburg, and finding drake london still there at #20 - and us pulling the trigger there, while drafting cb's with our 2nd & 3rd rounders and a top guard with pitt's traded 2nd....

london - CB - guard - CB --- that seems like a nice draft right there...we'd be setting the table for our 1st round quarterback pick in 2023....


I think Osborne/Smith Marsette looked really good late last year...not sure why you would draft a WR that early when they have a higher bust rate and you already have Jefferson and Thielen.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 2:33:35 PM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.



i kind of agree with you...I've seen some mocks that have us trading back with Pittsburg, and finding drake london still there at #20 - and us pulling the trigger there, while drafting cb's with our 2nd & 3rd rounders and a top guard with pitt's traded 2nd....

london - CB - guard - CB --- that seems like a nice draft right there...we'd be setting the table for our 1st round quarterback pick in 2023....


I think Osborne/Smith Marsette looked really good late last year...not sure why you would draft a WR that early when they have a higher bust rate and you already have Jefferson and Thielen.



Drafting a Theilen replacement isn't a bad idea.

But we have greater needs.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 2:52:35 PM   
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The Vikings had greater needs than WR when they drafted Moss, and Cincy had greater needs than WR when they drafted Chase last year.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 3:12:30 PM   
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The Vikings had greater needs than WR when they drafted Moss, and Cincy had greater needs than WR when they drafted Chase last year.

That tells you to stay true to your board, not draft WRs up the yin yang.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 3:13:17 PM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.



i kind of agree with you...I've seen some mocks that have us trading back with Pittsburg, and finding drake london still there at #20 - and us pulling the trigger there, while drafting cb's with our 2nd & 3rd rounders and a top guard with pitt's traded 2nd....

london - CB - guard - CB --- that seems like a nice draft right there...we'd be setting the table for our 1st round quarterback pick in 2023....


I think Osborne/Smith Marsette looked really good late last year...not sure why you would draft a WR that early when they have a higher bust rate and you already have Jefferson and Thielen.

Nevermind. We absolutely need to draft WR.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 4:12:40 PM   
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The Vikings had greater needs than WR when they drafted Moss, and Cincy had greater needs than WR when they drafted Chase last year.



At 12 they should take the best player available regardless of position. With the rest of the draft... go after needs.

As for drafting Need over BPA. Every position is a position of need either now or in the next couple years

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 5:09:46 PM   
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The Vikings had greater needs than WR when they drafted Moss, and Cincy had greater needs than WR when they drafted Chase last year.


If a WR as talented as Moss or Chase fell to our pick; no problem. Chase was a top 5 draft pick at 5; Moss was a top 5 draft pick that dropped to 21.....I don't see it happening.

CB/Edge/DT is where I would go with the first two picks and if needed get one of those top 16 WR in the 3rd.

A tidbit from SI:
While this class may not have a Ja’Marr Chase level prospect at the top to warrant a top-five pick, six wide receivers were selected in the first round of my most recent mock draft. In addition, no position group had more prospects ranked inside my updated top 100 big board than wide receivers (16).

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 5:13:03 PM   
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This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 5:28:22 PM   
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This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.

Sounds like he will be top 50 for sure.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 5:55:29 PM   
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I was initially pro WR @12 and was intrigued by Garrett Wilson but the better play is imo is to fix a weakness not better a strength.

Now if our guys figure runs or passes from a 3WR set with our talent would take us over the top I'll obviously run with that. Hard.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 6:04:31 PM   
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This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.


I'd be very happy picking him in the 2nd.

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS
• A perfect combination of speed (4.36 in the 40) and size (just over 6-4 and 211 lbs) combined with top-level athletic ability
• Lit up the combine and ran a 4.36, a 38.5 vertical and a 136 broad jump
• A savvy, natural pass-catcher with reliable hands and very good focus. Snatches the ball out of the air and shows the concentration to make acrobatic catches look easy.
• A fantastic 50/50 ball catcher - has the arm length leaping ability and catch radius to bring in contested catches
• Watson has proved to be an elite kick returner and so offer dual role appeall
• Equally adept playing from the slot as split outside in a traditional WR role
• Has been used as an effective runner from the backfield - will transition well to an offense that makes use of the jet sweeps in their offense
• Has a knack for getting open and is a quarterback's best friend - passers just need to toss the ball in his area and he'll come down with it.
• Has long arms to stiff-arm defensive backs in the open field. Willing to lower his pads to run through tackles for extra yardage. Goes over the middle, can spin out of tackles and take the big hit.
• Very good hands accepts the ball fluidly on most throws and is ready to make a play afterward. Makes catches in traffic, even going up over taller defenders with vertical and toughness.
• Plays fast and confident. Covers a lot of ground in the short half of the field and is slippery after the catch.
• Fluid athlete with explosive burst and speed to stretch the field and breeze past defenders. Has a quick first step and gets to top speed in a hurry.
• Fits a zone system, can sift through oncoming traffic and explode through tiny creases and cutback lanes. Elite, darting stop-and-go acceleration. Dangerous in the open field.
• Does a nice job locating and tracking deep passes and is a legitimate vertical threat. Willing to go up and attack the ball.
• Great honor roll student who even was on the Walter Payton watchlist

SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES
• Does not always use his hands to secure deep throws, allowing the ball into his pads and chest.
• Has had an issue with drops - 16 in his four years at NDSU, although only 2 in 2021
• Very raw and inexperienced as a WR - far from a perfect route runner and has developed a tendency to round his routes off
• Has operated with a limited route tree - has beaten DBs with athleticism and speed rather than technique. He will not be able get away with this in the pros
• Like all prospects not from the top level - it will be asked just how well he can perform against at a higher level of competition.
• He has the deep speed you want in a WR but isn't quite as twitchy as you would like - doesn't have elite change of direction skills

SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY
Christian Watson is an intriguing talent who possesses elite athletic skills, speed, length, and size combined with decent hands - which when put together makes him an elite deep threat. He however has limited experience as a WR - having totaled just 104 reception in four years at NDSU and is still very raw and not currently a nuanced player. Watson also plays in the FCS and as a result, may struggle to adapt to jumping what will be effectively two levels of competition.

Overall we consider Watson to be an impressive prospect who will likely take time to develop skills as a pro WR but in the meantime get a chance to showcase his skills as a kick returner.
After a dominating combine performance, Watson now is even being talked about as a potential first-round pick, however, we expect him to be looked at as a second-round prospect in the 2022 NFL Draft.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Christian-Watson-WR-NorthDakotaState
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 6:05:29 PM   
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1) Stingley
2) Ojabo
3) QB Cole Kelley
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/30/2022 8:10:40 PM   
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The Vikings had greater needs than WR when they drafted Moss, and Cincy had greater needs than WR when they drafted Chase last year.


If a WR as talented as Moss or Chase fell to our pick; no problem. Chase was a top 5 draft pick at 5; Moss was a top 5 draft pick that dropped to 21.....I don't see it happening.

CB/Edge/DT is where I would go with the first two picks and if needed get one of those top 16 WR in the 3rd.

A tidbit from SI:
While this class may not have a Ja’Marr Chase level prospect at the top to warrant a top-five pick, six wide receivers were selected in the first round of my most recent mock draft. In addition, no position group had more prospects ranked inside my updated top 100 big board than wide receivers (16).


I'n gonna go out on a limb, and say there is no WR "as talented as Moss" in this draft.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 7:10:56 AM   
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The Vikings had greater needs than WR when they drafted Moss, and Cincy had greater needs than WR when they drafted Chase last year.


If a WR as talented as Moss or Chase fell to our pick; no problem. Chase was a top 5 draft pick at 5; Moss was a top 5 draft pick that dropped to 21.....I don't see it happening.

CB/Edge/DT is where I would go with the first two picks and if needed get one of those top 16 WR in the 3rd.

A tidbit from SI:
While this class may not have a Ja’Marr Chase level prospect at the top to warrant a top-five pick, six wide receivers were selected in the first round of my most recent mock draft. In addition, no position group had more prospects ranked inside my updated top 100 big board than wide receivers (16).


I'n gonna go out on a limb, and say there is no WR "as talented as Moss" in this draft.


Exactly (or as talented as Chase for that matter). But if you grab that 6'4" NDSU WR that runs a 4.36 in the 2nd....wowzer

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 8:03:17 AM   
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We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.



i kind of agree with you...I've seen some mocks that have us trading back with Pittsburg, and finding drake london still there at #20 - and us pulling the trigger there, while drafting cb's with our 2nd & 3rd rounders and a top guard with pitt's traded 2nd....

london - CB - guard - CB --- that seems like a nice draft right there...we'd be setting the table for our 1st round quarterback pick in 2023....


I think Osborne/Smith Marsette looked really good late last year...not sure why you would draft a WR that early when they have a higher bust rate and you already have Jefferson and Thielen.



Drafting a Theilen replacement isn't a bad idea.

But we have greater needs.

Yes and yes. If I get one this year it's no higher than 4th round. Competition for Bisi for 5th WR and development project. I make WR a higher priority in 2023 after QB.

CB, G, C need to be top priorities this year.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 8:06:54 AM   
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This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.

He's been going in the 1st round in some mocks.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 8:37:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.

He's been going in the 1st round in some mocks.


he looks like a great 3rd round pick...trade up in the 3rd....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 10:48:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.

He's been going in the 1st round in some mocks.


he looks like a great 3rd round pick...trade up in the 3rd....


They talk him up a lot on NFL Radio. They even had him call in to one of the shows about a week ago. They say he's faster than that 4.36 and has been timed in the 4.2's many times.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 10:58:43 AM   
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This would be the one I looked at late 2nd in a trade down or early 3rd:

9. Christian Watson, North Dakota State (rSR, 6'4", 208 pounds)

Following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, Watson has been one of the biggest “winners” during the pre-draft process. Watson has an elite combination of size and speed with a wide catch radius and is elusive for a big receiver. The son of a former NFL safety (Tim Watson) ran the sixth-fastest 40-yard dash (4.36) among wide receivers and led all combine participants in the broad jump (11'4"). A big play waiting to happen, Watson averaged 20.4 yards per reception in his career and returned a pair of kickoffs for scores in 2020.

He's been going in the 1st round in some mocks.


The only thing that could push him to our 2nd round pick is the number of WRs projected to go in the 1st. And even that is unlikely.

I don't see any way that trading DOWN in the 2nd gets us him.
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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 11:12:55 AM   
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on nfldraftbuzz, christian watson is rated #11 among wr's....

considering everything, i would say that there is definitely a chance he'll be there at our #46 pick....

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 11:16:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

We're not necessarily set at receiver going forward. This year we'll start with a good trio, but upgrading at 12 could make a huge difference this year and upgrade over an aging Theilen in the near future. With many plays featuring 3+ WRs, if there's a premium WR at 12 that's a move I'd consider strongly.



i kind of agree with you...I've seen some mocks that have us trading back with Pittsburg, and finding drake london still there at #20 - and us pulling the trigger there, while drafting cb's with our 2nd & 3rd rounders and a top guard with pitt's traded 2nd....

london - CB - guard - CB --- that seems like a nice draft right there...we'd be setting the table for our 1st round quarterback pick in 2023....


I think Osborne/Smith Marsette looked really good late last year...not sure why you would draft a WR that early when they have a higher bust rate and you already have Jefferson and Thielen.



Drafting a Theilen replacement isn't a bad idea.

But we have greater needs.

Yes and yes. If I get one this year it's no higher than 4th round. Competition for Bisi for 5th WR and development project. I make WR a higher priority in 2023 after QB.

CB, G, C need to be top priorities this year.



The only reason I think WR would be good to get this year is there is A LOT of talent at that position in this draft.


But for every JJ there are three Laquon Treadwells.

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RE: 2022 NFL draft - 3/31/2022 12:45:13 PM   
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It’s STILL CB,OL,OL,CB..
WR is not a fn need.

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