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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 4:46:21 PM

David Levine

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Trade Cousins and then trade for a guy that played a few games in FCS three years ago?

If that doesn’t work tank?

Roflmao, and if you end up with the next Murray, Donald, Mayfield, Rosen, ect you do it again?

Um. No thanks.

You keep mentioning those same QBs (do you cut and paste them?) but fail to even once mention you could end up with Mahomes, Allen, etc.

So risk adverse.

No wonder you defend Cousins, you like throwing short of the stick.

What has trey Lance done to deserve any real consideration as the answer ?

You want to go all in and trade up into the top 2-3 picks? Fine. Probably need to be Jefferson traded. That would be ballsy for sure. Cousins doesn’t stop the franchise from doing it.

Maybe the Beats would trade their #1 pick for Jefferson and a couple first rounders. My guess is tanking and being awful for 2-3 years doesn’t interest Jefferson.

He's 102 pass attempts removed from being the #5 pick.

If we could get him for a reasonable price I'd absolutely give him a shot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 4:58:02 PM

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Trade Cousins and then trade for a guy that played a few games in FCS three years ago?

If that doesn’t work tank?

Roflmao, and if you end up with the next Murray, Donald, Mayfield, Rosen, ect you do it again?

Um. No thanks.

You keep mentioning those same QBs (do you cut and paste them?) but fail to even once mention you could end up with Mahomes, Allen, etc.

So risk adverse.

No wonder you defend Cousins, you like throwing short of the stick.

What has trey Lance done to deserve any real consideration as the answer ?

You want to go all in and trade up into the top 2-3 picks? Fine. Probably need to be Jefferson traded. That would be ballsy for sure. Cousins doesn’t stop the franchise from doing it.

Maybe the Beats would trade their #1 pick for Jefferson and a couple first rounders. My guess is tanking and being awful for 2-3 years doesn’t interest Jefferson.

He's 102 pass attempts removed from being the #5 pick.

If we could get him for a reasonable price I'd absolutely give him a shot.

He doesn't want to take a chance on Lance because he hasn't done anything, yet this morning said: Some people need to just stop being fans until they get word the Vikings have a verified HOF QB that is 23 years old.

Sounds like he is the one who wants the young Hall of Famer before making a QB change!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 5:04:30 PM

Bill Johanesen

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10 to 1 Cousins is a Viking next year.

This offseason work on the D, IOL, and bring in a couple of QB prospects.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 5:09:12 PM

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The QB playoff field this year:

(Team/Player/Draft Round)

bills allen 1
chiefs mahomes 1
ravens huntley/jackson UDFA/1
bengals burrow 1
dolphins thompson/tua/bridgewater 7/1/1
chargers herbert 1
jaguars lawrence 1

vikings cousins 4
giants jones 1
49ers purdy/garapollo/lance 7/2/1
eagles hurts 2
cowboys prescott 4
seahawks smith 1
bucs brady 6

Not a requirement to have a 1st rd QB... but this year it looks like it helped.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 5:30:15 PM

Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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Trade Cousins and then trade for a guy that played a few games in FCS three years ago?

If that doesn’t work tank?

Roflmao, and if you end up with the next Murray, Donald, Mayfield, Rosen, ect you do it again?

Um. No thanks.

You keep mentioning those same QBs (do you cut and paste them?) but fail to even once mention you could end up with Mahomes, Allen, etc.

So risk adverse.

No wonder you defend Cousins, you like throwing short of the stick.

What has trey Lance done to deserve any real consideration as the answer ?

You want to go all in and trade up into the top 2-3 picks? Fine. Probably need to be Jefferson traded. That would be ballsy for sure. Cousins doesn’t stop the franchise from doing it.

Maybe the Beats would trade their #1 pick for Jefferson and a couple first rounders. My guess is tanking and being awful for 2-3 years doesn’t interest Jefferson.

He's 102 pass attempts removed from being the #5 pick.

If we could get him for a reasonable price I'd absolutely give him a shot.

Yeah. He’s played like 4 full games. 2 of which a rating of over 115.
Not shabby for a kid from FCS who some said may need some seasoning

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 5:37:13 PM

Arlowe84

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FWIW. Kwesi’s mentor Andrew Berry was very aggressive in going after a big armed mobile QB despite having Mayfield around

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 5:57:12 PM

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If we make a move for a QB I'll get back on the wagon.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 5:59:06 PM

Todd M

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I thought Jefferson was a bit snippy when asked about being here.

0 playoff wins with him and maybe none the next couple. Trade him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 6:22:38 PM

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I thought Jefferson was a bit snippy when asked about being here.

0 playoff wins with him and maybe none the next couple. Trade him.

I'd be snippy too.

He'll get over it. But we will have to pay him a king's ransom and then some to stay.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 6:47:01 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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I thought Jefferson was a bit snippy when asked about being here.

0 playoff wins with him and maybe none the next couple. Trade him.

He was a no show in 3 of the 4 biggest games. 4 out of 5 if you count the 2nd Packers game where we could have eliminated them. I don't feel like it's a good idea to give him a historic contract with such a flimsy plan at qb.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 7:44:10 PM

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I thought Jefferson was a bit snippy when asked about being here.

0 playoff wins with him and maybe none the next couple. Trade him.

He was a no show in 3 of the 4 biggest games. 4 out of 5 if you count the 2nd Packers game where we could have eliminated them. I don't feel like it's a good idea to give him a historic contract with such a flimsy plan at qb.

Slay got the best of him for sure.

But, when you are double covered and trying to get open, you probably need your QB to have more than 2 or 3 seconds to get a pass off. It was a jail break in most of our big games this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 7:47:58 PM

Mark Anderson

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10 to 1 Cousins is a Viking next year.

This offseason work on the D, IOL, and bring in a couple of QB prospects

This is the only plan that makes sense. Especially the way Cousins contract is(dead money).

Other than Burrow, what QB(in recent memory)has come in his 1st year and played well? Or even played.

Get a serious QBOTF this year and let him sit and learn.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 7:49:28 PM

Mark Anderson

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Pay JJ. It would be a bigger mistake than the Moss trade if we deal him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 7:52:05 PM

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Pickett and Purdy both played well this year.

Mahomes played well his first year of starting.

But your right, most don't start their first year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 8:00:42 PM

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Pickett and Purdy both played well this year.

Mahomes played well his first year of starting.

But your right, most don't start their first year.

Pickett has been up and down but it will probably benefit him next year because he played his 1st year.

Purdy is in place with a stellar offensive line and great skill players and a balanced attack.

Plus, no one is saying, if you hit the jackpot with a QBOTF, that the new guy can't replace Cousins during the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/16/2023 8:16:04 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Pickett and Purdy both played well this year.

Mahomes played well his first year of starting.

But your right, most don't start their first year.

Pickett has been up and down but it will probably benefit him next year because he played his 1st year.

Purdy is in place with a stellar offensive line and great skill players and a balanced attack.

Plus, no one is saying, if you hit the jackpot with a QBOTF, that the new guy can't replace Cousins during the season.

Exactly. Gotta keep looking until you find one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 6:08:33 AM

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Can an NFL player take Adderall, or is that one of the banned substances ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 6:35:46 AM

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So, let's just assume you could get Cousins off the roster now, who is your realistic starter for next year?

Late 1st rookie
Mullens
Garropolo
Trubisky
Heineke
Drew Lock

That's why you keep Cousins till current deal runs out, extend JJ and make a huge effort to find a mobile QBOTF.

BINGO again.

You never know who will come in and light it up. Many guys fit better into different systems. You can't look at what a guy has done somewhere else and be 100% sure that he wouldn't do well in Minnesota. The Vikings have decent weapons and a young offensive line. It's a really good situation to come to.

Nobody thought Case Keenum was going to be any good, and he had the best season a quarterback has had for the Vikings in quite some time. I didn't see it coming. You didn't see it coming. Nobody saw it coming.

Of the guys listed above, the only one I would trust with this offense is Heineke. And I wouldn't be looking at him as some sort of long-term solution.

I would look at someone like Tyler Huntley, Jared Stidham, Sam Ehlinger, Chase Daniel, Mullens, Tyrod Taylor, Gardner Minshew, type of guy. Young, cheap and looking to be a starting QB in the NFL. If they go on the market, you bring them in and see what they have. And then you draft a guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:08:07 AM

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So, let's just assume you could get Cousins off the roster now, who is your realistic starter for next year?

Late 1st rookie
Mullens
Garropolo
Trubisky
Heineke
Drew Lock

That's why you keep Cousins till current deal runs out, extend JJ and make a huge effort to find a mobile QBOTF.

BINGO again.

You never know who will come in and light it up. Many guys fit better into different systems. You can't look at what a guy has done somewhere else and be 100% sure that he wouldn't do well in Minnesota. The Vikings have decent weapons and a young offensive line. It's a really good situation to come to.

Nobody thought Case Keenum was going to be any good, and he had the best season a quarterback has had for the Vikings in quite some time. I didn't see it coming. You didn't see it coming. Nobody saw it coming.

Of the guys listed above, the only one I would trust with this offense is Heineke. And I wouldn't be looking at him as some sort of long-term solution.

I would look at someone like Tyler Huntley, Jared Stidham, Sam Ehlinger, Chase Daniel, Mullens, Tyrod Taylor, Gardner Minshew, type of guy. Young, cheap and looking to be a starting QB in the NFL. If they go on the market, you bring them in and see what they have. And then you draft a guy.

Case did it one season...you put yourself in that situation they were in for years. Then they desperately draft Ponder, Teddy, trade for Bradford.
It isn't that easy to get a QB that stays healthy and is top 10.

Almost like you want to sabotage this team. There will be plenty of cap to make moves.

One guy I would like to draft in the 4th or 5th is OConnell from Purdue.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:20:04 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Lars

So, let's just assume you could get Cousins off the roster now, who is your realistic starter for next year?

Late 1st rookie
Mullens
Garropolo
Trubisky
Heineke
Drew Lock

That's why you keep Cousins till current deal runs out, extend JJ and make a huge effort to find a mobile QBOTF.

BINGO again.

You never know who will come in and light it up. Many guys fit better into different systems. You can't look at what a guy has done somewhere else and be 100% sure that he wouldn't do well in Minnesota. The Vikings have decent weapons and a young offensive line. It's a really good situation to come to.

Nobody thought Case Keenum was going to be any good, and he had the best season a quarterback has had for the Vikings in quite some time. I didn't see it coming. You didn't see it coming. Nobody saw it coming.

Of the guys listed above, the only one I would trust with this offense is Heineke. And I wouldn't be looking at him as some sort of long-term solution.

I would look at someone like Tyler Huntley, Jared Stidham, Sam Ehlinger, Chase Daniel, Mullens, Tyrod Taylor, Gardner Minshew, type of guy. Young, cheap and looking to be a starting QB in the NFL. If they go on the market, you bring them in and see what they have. And then you draft a guy.

Case did it one season...you put yourself in that situation they were in for years. Then they desperately draft Ponder, Teddy, trade for Bradford.
It isn't that easy to get a QB that stays healthy and is top 10.

Almost like you want to sabotage this team. There will be plenty of cap to make moves.

One guy I would like to draft in the 4th or 5th is OConnell from Purdue.

The guy we have isn't going to win us anything important, and his cap number is killing the overall product. I'm trying to look for a future solution rather than hoping something miraculously changes.

Kirk Cousins' contract is like a 100-pound weight around the neck of the franchise. We opted to pay him big money before he had won anything important. That's not the way it works in the real world. You are supposed to do something great, and then get paid. As I see it, he's making about 2.5 times what he's worth.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:25:46 AM

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Phil Riewer: It isn't that easy to get a QB that stays healthy and is top 10.

The last time we had a top-10 rated QB was Case Keenum. Cousins was the #14 rated QB this season.

How much money did he make? I'll give you this...he has a top-10 contract. As I see it, he isn't living up to it (and this was arguably his best season).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:31:27 AM

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10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

The next four biggest contracts are Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Aaron Donald and Matt Ryan. That means 13 of the top-14 contracts are quarterbacks, and all but three of them didn't live up to the contract. Nine of them didn't even make the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:33:40 AM 1 votes

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10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have maybe 8-9 wins w/o Kirk. I remember the Ponder, Teddy, Bradford years. Case we lucked into and he hasn't done that since for one year. Total Sabotage solution; you also are talking about something that can't be done anyway. They can't cut him due to cap and he has a no trade.

Your solution isn't one.

You gain 13 million by cutting Hicks and Kendricks alone. They will have cap space and if they resign TJ and Jefferson they can create more.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:35:18 AM

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10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have 5-7 wins w/o Kirk.

Next season you could have 5-7 wins with Kirk. This season was a complete anomaly.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2023 7:37:02 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

10 biggest contracts in the NFL this season:

1) Aaron Rodgers (didn't live up to it)
2) Russell Wilson (didn't live up to it)
3) Kyler Murray (didn't live up to it)
4) Deshaun Watson (didn't live up to it)
5) Patrick Mahomes
6) Josh Allen
7) Derek Carr (didn't live up to it)
8) Dak Prescott (didn't live up to it)
9) Matthew Stafford (didn't live up to it)
10) Kirk Cousins (with the #14 QB rating, didn't live up to it)

Anyone seeing a trend here?

Again it is a double edge sword. You have 5-7 wins w/o Kirk.

Next season you could have 5-7 wins with Kirk. This season was a complete anomaly.

Again it can't be done so it itsn't a solution.....you know it everyone knows it.

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