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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

I just had a chance to listen to KOC's post game comments. I don't think he coached the same game we all watched.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

I just had a chance to listen to KOC's post game comments. I don't think he coached the same game we all watched.

Honestly, I know we won a big game in week one, but I haven't seem much in two weeks. It seems like Justin Jefferson or nothing. That's not a recipe for success.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

I said it before the game (though I have no written proof of it) that I wouldn’t be surprised if Philly came out and punched us in the mouth. Then the big test of this team will be how they react to that.

Well they did punch us. And our reaction was we never really got up off the canvas. So we failed that test. Still I won’t overreact too much. They probably aren’t as good as they looked against GB or as bad as they looked against Philly. We can probably put away all the hyperbole for now and settle in to what was most likely all along: That this is probably a team whose ceiling is 10-ish wins and maybe fighting and scratching into the playoffs.

Philly exposed a couple of things last night. Mainly, this offense cannot adequately counter a blitz. Copy cat alert. Once the secret is out the whole league takes notice. Either fix it or get used to more of the same.

The other thing…at least in my opinion is, Dalvin Cook is a nice back but is no longer anything special. Shelf life is so short at RB. I’m not saying he isn’t still valuable and can’t still be productive, but he shouldn’t be featured. He a cog. One of several.

Agree with everything except the 10 wins part. It looks like we have bad personnel for a 3-4 defense and that won't change this year. Hard to win even 8 games with a defense this bad. Even week 1 the run defense was atrocious. Seems like a 7 win team as I'm sure they'll win a few that are unexpected.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

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ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer

Richard.. thank u.

Danzler? anyone heard anything.

Will KOC force Eddie to change. It is asinine to play that coverage scheme.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Cousins is now 2-10 as a starter on Monday Night Football. The worst record in the history of the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

A good coach understands his personnel and makes adjustments on the fly. The defense made zero adjustments last night. The offense made adjustments, but too late in the game and the QB was way off his game.

This isn't a video game. There needs to be some balance. It took the Eagles all of seven days to figure out what Vikings had done in week one on offense.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

A good coach understands his personnel and makes adjustments on the fly. The defense made zero adjustments last night. The offense made adjustments, but too late in the game and the QB was way off his game.

This isn't a video game. There needs to be some balance. It took the Eagles all of seven days to figure out what Vikings had done in week one on offense.

That's what was so alarming to me Brad. The ZERO adjustments on D was utterly insane. After Hurts hit 12 in a row to start it wasn't enough? Those were the most basic throws any qb in this league will have to make and wide open! Agree that the offense was probably a bigger letdown. I thought they should be capable of scoring 27 or so. Not even close!

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

A good coach understands his personnel and makes adjustments on the fly. The defense made zero adjustments last night. The offense made adjustments, but too late in the game and the QB was way off his game.

This isn't a video game. There needs to be some balance. It took the Eagles all of seven days to figure out what Vikings had done in week one on offense.

That's what was so alarming to me Brad. The ZERO adjustments on D was utterly insane. After Hurts hit 12 in a row to start it wasn't enough? Those were the most basic throws any qb in this league will have to make and wide open! Agree that the offense was probably a bigger letdown. I thought they should be capable of scoring 27 or so. Not even close!

I'm going to give the defense a pass based on one thing........the Eagles only scored 24 points.

I thought Jalen Hurts was amazingly good. His timing with his receivers was impeccable and his ball placement was at a very high level. We aren't going to see that kind of precision every week.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

A good coach understands his personnel and makes adjustments on the fly. The defense made zero adjustments last night. The offense made adjustments, but too late in the game and the QB was way off his game.

This isn't a video game. There needs to be some balance. It took the Eagles all of seven days to figure out what Vikings had done in week one on offense.

That's what was so alarming to me Brad. The ZERO adjustments on D was utterly insane. After Hurts hit 12 in a row to start it wasn't enough? Those were the most basic throws any qb in this league will have to make and wide open! Agree that the offense was probably a bigger letdown. I thought they should be capable of scoring 27 or so. Not even close!

I'm going to give the defense a pass based on one thing........the Eagles only scored 24 points.

I thought Jalen Hurts was amazingly good. His timing with his receivers was impeccable and his ball placement was at a very high level. We aren't going to see that kind of precision every week.

I think he played well but he had guys wide open on free releases for 10 yard completions constantly. I don't think it was close to amazing that an NFL qb can hit those throws. I will say I like the way he moved around to make a few of those throws. As Vikings fans we haven't seen that since what? Favre? Cousins has zero pocket awareness and is so awkward. Hurts definitely looked like another species altogether by comparison. One day maybe we'll get a guy that can make a play out of nothing. It's been a while.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

A good coach understands his personnel and makes adjustments on the fly. The defense made zero adjustments last night. The offense made adjustments, but too late in the game and the QB was way off his game.

This isn't a video game. There needs to be some balance. It took the Eagles all of seven days to figure out what Vikings had done in week one on offense.

That's what was so alarming to me Brad. The ZERO adjustments on D was utterly insane. After Hurts hit 12 in a row to start it wasn't enough? Those were the most basic throws any qb in this league will have to make and wide open! Agree that the offense was probably a bigger letdown. I thought they should be capable of scoring 27 or so. Not even close!

I'm going to give the defense a pass based on one thing........the Eagles only scored 24 points.

I thought Jalen Hurts was amazingly good. His timing with his receivers was impeccable and his ball placement was at a very high level. We aren't going to see that kind of precision every week.

I think he played well but he had guys wide open on free releases for 10 yard completions constantly. I don't think it was close to amazing that an NFL qb can hit those throws. I will say I like the way he moved around to make a few of those throws. As Vikings fans we haven't seen that since what? Favre? Cousins has zero pocket awareness and is so awkward. Hurts definitely looked like another species altogether by comparison. One day maybe we'll get a guy that can make a play out of nothing. It's been a while.

Case Keenum was good at it.....for a year. Led us to a 13-3 record and an NFC title game. Then we gave up on him..........for Kirk Cousins.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The lack of adjustment on defense tells you how the coaches feel about the players. As bad as it was … and it was real bad … even with Philly neutralizing themselves in the 2nd half with penalties … we just dont have the horses to tighten things up and be much more aggressive.The spacing we ran with looked like we were playing with 6 defenders at a time. Sickening.

Playing against a team with a banged up OL and weak WRs is one thing, a good nfc team (just above avg against the good afc teams) really showed how toothless we are.

I’m sure we will improve a bit (on d) and play some teams we are better schemed for … hang in there some games … and its possible our rookies will see some time and start developing for the future … but thinking they will somehow improve on our deficiencies this year is unreasonable. Clearly we need help on all levels.

It was a bend but don't break approach. Truth-be-told, giving up 24 points in an NFL game is not that bad. Our offense had plenty of opportunities to make it a game and rarely sniffed the end zone. A missed catch by Smith was a sure TD. The defense gave them an opportunity to cash in late in the game. An interception followed. There was ZERO firepower from the offense. Bad decisions from the QB. Bad throws from the QB. Little to no attempts at running the ball.

The truth is, I'm more concerned about the offense than the defense. KOC doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, to me. A young kid that has an idea, but doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. I think the same of the Chargers' coach. That guy is totally clueless.

The truth is we have zero idea if the guy can coach. While I like that he has an offensive background he didn't even call plays in LA. I hope he does well but does anyone really know if he's up to the task? Way too early to tell. Seems like a good guy though.

A good coach understands his personnel and makes adjustments on the fly. The defense made zero adjustments last night. The offense made adjustments, but too late in the game and the QB was way off his game.

This isn't a video game. There needs to be some balance. It took the Eagles all of seven days to figure out what Vikings had done in week one on offense.

That's what was so alarming to me Brad. The ZERO adjustments on D was utterly insane. After Hurts hit 12 in a row to start it wasn't enough? Those were the most basic throws any qb in this league will have to make and wide open! Agree that the offense was probably a bigger letdown. I thought they should be capable of scoring 27 or so. Not even close!

I'm going to give the defense a pass based on one thing........the Eagles only scored 24 points.

I thought Jalen Hurts was amazingly good. His timing with his receivers was impeccable and his ball placement was at a very high level. We aren't going to see that kind of precision every week.

I think he played well but he had guys wide open on free releases for 10 yard completions constantly. I don't think it was close to amazing that an NFL qb can hit those throws. I will say I like the way he moved around to make a few of those throws. As Vikings fans we haven't seen that since what? Favre? Cousins has zero pocket awareness and is so awkward. Hurts definitely looked like another species altogether by comparison. One day maybe we'll get a guy that can make a play out of nothing. It's been a while.

Case Keenum was good at it.....for a year. Led us to a 13-3 record and an NFC title game. Then we gave up on him..........for Kirk Cousins.

Yeah he was good at it wasn't he? We'll never come close to 13 wins with this poser as our qb.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Kirk was so bad last night that we didn't even get the garbage time td