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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 12:56:41 PM

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My 2 cents

An Ugly win is a win.

We only led the game for 45 seconds of game time all day. but it was the most important 45 seconds.

Campbell even thinks he made a mistake going for the FG. I don't. Even though we got the TD we didn't NEED it. We were more relaxed with less pressure as we were well withing FG range to tie. If they Lions make that FG they then kick off,

Apparently the Lions PK only makes about 50% of FGs 40+ yards, so a 54 yarder would seem problematic.

... early returns of course. ;)

Just couldn't wait to get a barb in... even if it was a weak ass one.

speaking of barb - your reference to barb & mike was as weak ass as they come.

And then you go to Mount Rushmore to divert ...

Speaking of Mount Rushmore, you're on there Bill. Biggest jerks ever to post on Talk Vikes.

Badass Bullying Billy - B3

What do you get out of being a total ass every time you come in here? Seriously, how can your behavior make you feel good as a person? No conscience at all?

Very good definition of Bill.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 12:59:58 PM

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Due to cap hits, I think we'll run back most of the same starters next year but we could stand for some changes:

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- Mundt starts and plays more than Irv Tease Jr. See what we have with Mundt... and Ellefson for that matter.
- Play Nwangwu and Chandler since Mattison is all but sure to depart. Draft a bruiser?
- All eyes on Bradbury.

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- Get Cine and Booth Jr. out there when able. A series here and there to start.
- The front 7 is as big a mystery as it was before the season started. Contracts suggest there will be a couple of open spots, so see what we have on the roster.

The fact that Cine can't get on the field is a bit alarming, and Booth could be a injury magnet.

Metullus played very well. We maybe better off at Safety then we thought before the draft.

I wanted the Vikes to draft Davis to begin with, because it's looking more and more like stopping the run is going to be a problem all yr.

Davis was my preferred choice.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:04:15 PM

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Props where props are due. Kirk Cousins finally did something in the final two minutes of a half.

How generous of you.

He's had 15 fourth-quarter game-winning drives.

Feeble as usual.

Just an FYI, that's a pretty low number considering the amount of career starts.

He's actually had 21. In less time, Ryan Tannehill has 26, Derek Carr has 30 and Russell Wilson 34. Matthew Stafford has played three years longer and has 42, playing the majority of his career with the Lions. Hell, Jake Plummer had 30 in one less season. Jay Cutler had 29 in one more season.

You want me to go on naming mediocre quarterbacks with better numbers?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:27:57 PM

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Posters can spin and post stats all they want but in the end Cousins simply doesn't pass the eye test.

He's not a QB teammates will run through brick walls for and that is what is needed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:33:39 PM

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Posters can spin and post stats all they want but in the end Cousins simply doesn't pass the eye test.

He's not a QB teammates will run through brick walls for and that is what is needed.

Devonte Adams and tyreek Hill must have gotten tired of running thru brick walls.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:35:48 PM

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I didn't do so well on the last Cousins v. the other QBs post. Let's see how this one plays:

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4th Q Comebacks/Gaming Winning Drives since 2020 (per Pro Football Reference):

Kirk Cousins: 8
Aaron Rodgers: 4

Meaning …

we’ve been behind a lot more lately than GB?

Funny how, a year and a half or so ago, that argument didn't hold water hereabouts when applied to Matt Stafford's career 4th Q Comebacks/Gaming Winning Drives.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:38:24 PM

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Still not in good head space with this team. Being out coached and outclassed week 2 was so embarrassing. Not allowing any 4th qtr points is kind of cool considering I feel this defense is so susceptible to chunk plays I'm half expecting teams to drop 50 on us.

I was ready to be hurt again to start the season but I always am...but I didn't see us getting smacked in the mouth early nor did I think I'd start questioning everything.

I'm tired of elevating this team in my mind based on what I want or feel I deserve. This team is looking just like the last few groups...middling playoff hopefuls.

What makes me hopeful:

The players are still learning the defense and offense. Once our best CB are able to cover man and know the correct coverages; our best cover corners (Hopefully Dantzler, Booth, and Evans) will allow Donatell to use the others to create on defense.

Might need to find a NT like Joseph on the waiver wire.

Same for offense. Get Irv, KJ, and Thielen more involved. The schemes have improved the Oline already.

Also:
Eagles and GB ravaged other Olines and look to be top 4-5 NFC teams.....

Well said. The Vikings have new offensive and defensive schemes and these first few games are basically the Vikings preseason. Cousins is also a notoriously slow starter. It's not unreasonable to expect improvement as the season goes on. Additionally, the fact that the team is avoiding penalties, especially on offense, is no small thing. How many times did a drive get killed last year thanks to an offsides or holding penalty? Meanwhile, O'Neill and Darrisaw are top 14 ranked Tackles, and Bradbury is currently the 6th (!) ranked Center according to PFF. Maybe scheme does matter....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:42:12 PM

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The Bradbury thing is astonishing. I said I would boo and call for Kwesi Adofo Mensah and Kevin O'Connell's firing if they put him on the field. Boy am I an idiot for that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:48:45 PM

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The Bradbury thing is astonishing. I said I would boo and call for Kwesi Adofo Mensah and Kevin O'Connell's firing if they put him on the field. Boy am I an idiot for that.

I think some of it can be that it wasn't only the C but when you combine in our RG (Dozier) last year....Ingram is competent and improving. Then you add that Darrisaw missed the first few games.....not the best recipe.

They have 3 FA and a draft pick who are all better than what we couldn't get out of the door fast enough. It was amazing how the regime actually got rid of Davis to a team that wanted him in Pitt and how the Bears wanted Dozier.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 1:54:44 PM

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The Bradbury thing is astonishing. I said I would boo and call for Kwesi Adofo Mensah and Kevin O'Connell's firing if they put him on the field. Boy am I an idiot for that.

I thought he would sink us. Honestly I haven't heard his name called too much so he's doing better than I could have hoped up to this point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 2:32:15 PM

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The Bradbury thing is astonishing. I said I would boo and call for Kwesi Adofo Mensah and Kevin O'Connell's firing if they put him on the field. Boy am I an idiot for that.

I thought he would sink us. Honestly I haven't heard his name called too much so he's doing better than I could have hoped up to this point.

I aint buying it, he is having a Case Keenum stretch, but he will come back to being Bradbury...

he sucks

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 2:33:16 PM

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if i had to guess its because Cleveland and Ingram are very good

Darrisaw and Oneil borderline elite

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 2:34:22 PM

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if we can stay healthy, i am interested in what we look like by week 10

lots of room to improve, but some interesting first steps

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 2:35:08 PM

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Posters can spin and post stats all they want but in the end Cousins simply doesn't pass the eye test.

He's not a QB teammates will run through brick walls for and that is what is needed.

Devonte Adams and tyreek Hill must have gotten tired of running thru brick walls.

Hill was traded w/o any choice.

You would run away from Erin as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 2:43:01 PM

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Still not in good head space with this team. Being out coached and outclassed week 2 was so embarrassing. Not allowing any 4th qtr points is kind of cool considering I feel this defense is so susceptible to chunk plays I'm half expecting teams to drop 50 on us.

I was ready to be hurt again to start the season but I always am...but I didn't see us getting smacked in the mouth early nor did I think I'd start questioning everything.

I'm tired of elevating this team in my mind based on what I want or feel I deserve. This team is looking just like the last few groups...middling playoff hopefuls.

What makes me hopeful:

The players are still learning the defense and offense. Once our best CB are able to cover man and know the correct coverages; our best cover corners (Hopefully Dantzler, Booth, and Evans) will allow Donatell to use the others to create on defense.

Might need to find a NT like Joseph on the waiver wire.

Same for offense. Get Irv, KJ, and Thielen more involved. The schemes have improved the Oline already.

Also:
Eagles and GB ravaged other Olines and look to be top 4-5 NFC teams.....

Well said. The Vikings have new offensive and defensive schemes and these first few games are basically the Vikings preseason. Cousins is also a notoriously slow starter. It's not unreasonable to expect improvement as the season goes on. Additionally, the fact that the team is avoiding penalties, especially on offense, is no small thing. How many times did a drive get killed last year thanks to an offsides or holding penalty? Meanwhile, O'Neill and Darrisaw are top 14 ranked Tackles, and Bradbury is currently the 6th (!) ranked Center according to PFF. Maybe scheme does matter....

The low # of penalties is almost more surprising than Bradbury being good.

Oli Udoh killed us last season.

One more reason why Cousins is out of excuses.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 2:54:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Still not in good head space with this team. Being out coached and outclassed week 2 was so embarrassing. Not allowing any 4th qtr points is kind of cool considering I feel this defense is so susceptible to chunk plays I'm half expecting teams to drop 50 on us.

I was ready to be hurt again to start the season but I always am...but I didn't see us getting smacked in the mouth early nor did I think I'd start questioning everything.

I'm tired of elevating this team in my mind based on what I want or feel I deserve. This team is looking just like the last few groups...middling playoff hopefuls.

What makes me hopeful:

The players are still learning the defense and offense. Once our best CB are able to cover man and know the correct coverages; our best cover corners (Hopefully Dantzler, Booth, and Evans) will allow Donatell to use the others to create on defense.

Might need to find a NT like Joseph on the waiver wire.

Same for offense. Get Irv, KJ, and Thielen more involved. The schemes have improved the Oline already.

Also:
Eagles and GB ravaged other Olines and look to be top 4-5 NFC teams.....

Well said. The Vikings have new offensive and defensive schemes and these first few games are basically the Vikings preseason. Cousins is also a notoriously slow starter. It's not unreasonable to expect improvement as the season goes on. Additionally, the fact that the team is avoiding penalties, especially on offense, is no small thing. How many times did a drive get killed last year thanks to an offsides or holding penalty? Meanwhile, O'Neill and Darrisaw are top 14 ranked Tackles, and Bradbury is currently the 6th (!) ranked Center according to PFF. Maybe scheme does matter....

The low # of penalties is almost more surprising than Bradbury being good.

Oli Udoh killed us last season.

One more reason why Cousins is out of excuses.

We would be 0-3 this year w/o the new FO and coaching staff. It never was just about Cousins.

Herbert is 1-2.
Carr is 0-3.

FO and coaching makes a big difference. Examples:
Jax 2-1
Miami 3-0
NYG 2-1

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 3:47:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Still not in good head space with this team. Being out coached and outclassed week 2 was so embarrassing. Not allowing any 4th qtr points is kind of cool considering I feel this defense is so susceptible to chunk plays I'm half expecting teams to drop 50 on us.

I was ready to be hurt again to start the season but I always am...but I didn't see us getting smacked in the mouth early nor did I think I'd start questioning everything.

I'm tired of elevating this team in my mind based on what I want or feel I deserve. This team is looking just like the last few groups...middling playoff hopefuls.

What makes me hopeful:

The players are still learning the defense and offense. Once our best CB are able to cover man and know the correct coverages; our best cover corners (Hopefully Dantzler, Booth, and Evans) will allow Donatell to use the others to create on defense.

Might need to find a NT like Joseph on the waiver wire.

Same for offense. Get Irv, KJ, and Thielen more involved. The schemes have improved the Oline already.

Also:
Eagles and GB ravaged other Olines and look to be top 4-5 NFC teams.....

Well said. The Vikings have new offensive and defensive schemes and these first few games are basically the Vikings preseason. Cousins is also a notoriously slow starter. It's not unreasonable to expect improvement as the season goes on. Additionally, the fact that the team is avoiding penalties, especially on offense, is no small thing. How many times did a drive get killed last year thanks to an offsides or holding penalty? Meanwhile, O'Neill and Darrisaw are top 14 ranked Tackles, and Bradbury is currently the 6th (!) ranked Center according to PFF. Maybe scheme does matter....

The low # of penalties is almost more surprising than Bradbury being good.

Oli Udoh killed us last season.

One more reason why Cousins is out of excuses.

We would be 0-3 this year w/o the new FO and coaching staff. It never was just about Cousins.

Herbert is 1-2.
Carr is 0-3.

FO and coaching makes a big difference. Examples:
Jax 2-1
Miami 3-0
NYG 2-1

Early returns...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 3:51:07 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Still not in good head space with this team. Being out coached and outclassed week 2 was so embarrassing. Not allowing any 4th qtr points is kind of cool considering I feel this defense is so susceptible to chunk plays I'm half expecting teams to drop 50 on us.

I was ready to be hurt again to start the season but I always am...but I didn't see us getting smacked in the mouth early nor did I think I'd start questioning everything.

I'm tired of elevating this team in my mind based on what I want or feel I deserve. This team is looking just like the last few groups...middling playoff hopefuls.

What makes me hopeful:

The players are still learning the defense and offense. Once our best CB are able to cover man and know the correct coverages; our best cover corners (Hopefully Dantzler, Booth, and Evans) will allow Donatell to use the others to create on defense.

Might need to find a NT like Joseph on the waiver wire.

Same for offense. Get Irv, KJ, and Thielen more involved. The schemes have improved the Oline already.

Also:
Eagles and GB ravaged other Olines and look to be top 4-5 NFC teams.....

Well said. The Vikings have new offensive and defensive schemes and these first few games are basically the Vikings preseason. Cousins is also a notoriously slow starter. It's not unreasonable to expect improvement as the season goes on. Additionally, the fact that the team is avoiding penalties, especially on offense, is no small thing. How many times did a drive get killed last year thanks to an offsides or holding penalty? Meanwhile, O'Neill and Darrisaw are top 14 ranked Tackles, and Bradbury is currently the 6th (!) ranked Center according to PFF. Maybe scheme does matter....

The low # of penalties is almost more surprising than Bradbury being good.

Oli Udoh killed us last season.

One more reason why Cousins is out of excuses.

We would be 0-3 this year w/o the new FO and coaching staff. It never was just about Cousins.

Herbert is 1-2.
Carr is 0-3.

FO and coaching makes a big difference. Examples:
Jax 2-1
Miami 3-0
NYG 2-1

We still would have beat GB with Zimmer. They were as unprepared to play Game 1 as they were last year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 4:02:56 PM

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Move the **** on from Barr.

He is done.

We are gonna need more, better players to fit a long term commitment to a 3-4.

We are still getting gashed at 4.7 YPA, in run defense.

We are giving up 7.4 YPA, in pass defense, allowing 69.4% completion percentage.

That sucks.. therefor, the defense, sucks.

Our outside DT are not a good fit.

Our linebackers are not the best fit.

It’s a work in progress, it needs to improve and that’s on Donatello, his scheme, his failure.

This is why you never try to fit players into a scheme.

Good coaches, which Donatella is not, make their scheme to fit the players they have instead.

You can throw out any stat you want but this defense does not pass the eye test. They look really soft; nothing close to championship caliber.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 4:26:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Still not in good head space with this team. Being out coached and outclassed week 2 was so embarrassing. Not allowing any 4th qtr points is kind of cool considering I feel this defense is so susceptible to chunk plays I'm half expecting teams to drop 50 on us.

I was ready to be hurt again to start the season but I always am...but I didn't see us getting smacked in the mouth early nor did I think I'd start questioning everything.

I'm tired of elevating this team in my mind based on what I want or feel I deserve. This team is looking just like the last few groups...middling playoff hopefuls.

What makes me hopeful:

The players are still learning the defense and offense. Once our best CB are able to cover man and know the correct coverages; our best cover corners (Hopefully Dantzler, Booth, and Evans) will allow Donatell to use the others to create on defense.

Might need to find a NT like Joseph on the waiver wire.

Same for offense. Get Irv, KJ, and Thielen more involved. The schemes have improved the Oline already.

Also:
Eagles and GB ravaged other Olines and look to be top 4-5 NFC teams.....

Well said. The Vikings have new offensive and defensive schemes and these first few games are basically the Vikings preseason. Cousins is also a notoriously slow starter. It's not unreasonable to expect improvement as the season goes on. Additionally, the fact that the team is avoiding penalties, especially on offense, is no small thing. How many times did a drive get killed last year thanks to an offsides or holding penalty? Meanwhile, O'Neill and Darrisaw are top 14 ranked Tackles, and Bradbury is currently the 6th (!) ranked Center according to PFF. Maybe scheme does matter....

The low # of penalties is almost more surprising than Bradbury being good.

Oli Udoh killed us last season.

One more reason why Cousins is out of excuses.

We would be 0-3 this year w/o the new FO and coaching staff. It never was just about Cousins.

Herbert is 1-2.
Carr is 0-3.

FO and coaching makes a big difference. Examples:
Jax 2-1
Miami 3-0
NYG 2-1

We still would have beat GB with Zimmer. They were as unprepared to play Game 1 as they were last year.

Absolutely. It was a non-indicator game for both teams.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 4:34:14 PM

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I would call the game against the Lions toe to toe. Fairly even. Neither team with their A game but certainly a better indicator than the Philly / GB games.

Its so early in the season though ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 4:40:25 PM

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No.

Kirk hater.

Not at all. I would consider myself 'Kirk frustrated and wanting more'.

I don't expect you to comprehend.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 4:45:24 PM

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No.

Kirk hater.

Not at all. I would consider myself 'Kirk frustrated and wanting more'.

I don't expect you to comprehend.

About the same here...next you will say you were trying to tell a joke no one understands; again.

Them exclamation marks are pure comedy club material.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 5:30:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
No.

Kirk hater.

Not at all. I would consider myself 'Kirk frustrated and wanting more'.

I don't expect you to comprehend.

About the same here...next you will say you were trying to tell a joke no one understands; again.

Them exclamation marks are pure comedy club material.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2022 5:48:08 PM

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if i had to guess its because Cleveland and Ingram are very good

Darrisaw and Oneil borderline elite

I'm no Bradbury apologist(or fan)... but it's appeared to me that Ingram is the weak link in pass pro...

If Ingram can improve that bodes really really well.

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