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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 3:58:22 PM   
David Levine


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There were a record 10 trades made today, the most ever made on any NFL trade deadline day.

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Brandin Cooks did not get traded at the deadline 😳
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 3:58:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great trade by the Vikings, especially since it would have been somewhat understandable to overpay after Irv's injury.

I'm glad we didn't trade for the egomaniac Clay Cesspool; he thinks he's a top-tier wr. He's shown questionable judgment both on and off the field.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:05:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like this deal! To get a much better TE than we have, move back from our second round pick about 38ish spots or so, and the one round 2024 picks swaps is a very solid value. Hock was a guy I really wanted in the draft, I'm hoping he's a long time fit! This is much better for the team than giving Pittsburgh a 2nd for Claypool. With a high ankle sprain, he's coming just in time! When we get both of them on the field at the same time, that should be fun to watch!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:13:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

I like this deal! To get a much better TE than we have, move back from our second round pick about 38ish spots or so, and the one round 2024 picks swaps is a very solid value. Hock was a guy I really wanted in the draft, I'm hoping he's a long time fit! This is much better for the team than giving Pittsburgh a 2nd for Claypool. With a high ankle sprain, he's coming just in time! When we get both of them on the field at the same time, that should be fun to watch!


Irv?

I'll be surprised if he takes another Vikings snap.

He's never been a quick healer, so I'd assume the 8-10 weeks is legit. So maybe he comes back for the Playoffs. But is a rusty Smith a better option than Mundt as a 2nd TE?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:20:13 PM   
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Somewhere in that is a Leroy Hoard analogy.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:21:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

I like this deal! To get a much better TE than we have, move back from our second round pick about 38ish spots or so, and the one round 2024 picks swaps is a very solid value. Hock was a guy I really wanted in the draft, I'm hoping he's a long time fit! This is much better for the team than giving Pittsburgh a 2nd for Claypool. With a high ankle sprain, he's coming just in time! When we get both of them on the field at the same time, that should be fun to watch!


Irv?

I'll be surprised if he takes another Vikings snap.

He's never been a quick healer, so I'd assume the 8-10 weeks is legit. So maybe he comes back for the Playoffs. But is a rusty Smith a better option than Mundt as a 2nd TE?


He had a solid post until that last sentence.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:21:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The last three games Mundt has 5 receptions for 8 yards with a long of 4.

Somewhere in that is a Leroy Hoard analogy.


You could add a Bud Grant analogy about hurt players also.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:26:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea David, I understand all the angst with Irv, but he did hurt himself at work, it wasn't like he was playing a pickup basketball game. I'm just thinking about the plays that can be designed with Hock, Irv, JJ and AT on the field. If not this year, than next, but it could be an exciting TE combo. Smith is also a pretty willing blocker, so there's that too.

I'm not attached to Smith in any way, he could leave tomorrow and it would be met with a shrug by me, but it could be a fun group to watch!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:44:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The last three games Mundt has 5 receptions for 8 yards with a long of 4.

Somewhere in that is a Leroy Hoard analogy.

If you need 10 I'll get you 1.6. If you need 1 I'll get you 1.6.

< Message edited by Richard Neussendorfer -- 11/1/2022 4:45:18 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 4:47:32 PM   
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Yea David, I understand all the angst with Irv, but he did hurt himself at work, it wasn't like he was playing a pickup basketball game. I'm just thinking about the plays that can be designed with Hock, Irv, JJ and AT on the field. If not this year, than next, but it could be an exciting TE combo. Smith is also a pretty willing blocker, so there's that too.

I'm not attached to Smith in any way, he could leave tomorrow and it would be met with a shrug by me, but it could be a fun group to watch!


It's not even angst, or anger at him for getting hurt again.

He's an Unrestricted Free Agent next year and we're not exactly flush with money. I'll be surprised if we bring him back.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 5:22:30 PM   
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Yea David, I understand all the angst with Irv, but he did hurt himself at work, it wasn't like he was playing a pickup basketball game. I'm just thinking about the plays that can be designed with Hock, Irv, JJ and AT on the field. If not this year, than next, but it could be an exciting TE combo. Smith is also a pretty willing blocker, so there's that too.

I'm not attached to Smith in any way, he could leave tomorrow and it would be met with a shrug by me, but it could be a fun group to watch!


What does hurting himself at work have to do with anything? He always hurts himself at work, and that's the problem.

I'd rather see Hock, JJ, AT, and KJ. Irv is done.

Often 'willing' blocker means ineffective. Sort of like a realtor saying a house is quaint.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 6:05:26 PM   
David Levine


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https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/1587251536677273600
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 6:20:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

This is the kind of move by Kwesi that impresses me.

Targeting a young, very good player on a team that is unlikely going to be able to keep him.

Lions are the worst team in the NFL. What are they going to do with a 9M TE that they probably were unable to extend to a more friendly deal?

And by trading for him now, we get to kick the tires before deciding on what kind of extension we want to offer.

Worst case, we have him for 1.5 years.

I find it very sinister.

Building an offseason plan with Mundt and Irv ...

ending up with Hockensen a few hours short of the deadline.

There are obviously animal sacrifices going on here.


The reset year is 2024 for Vikings; they must think the window is this year and next.

Must be because 2024 would require full-on human sacrifices.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 6:49:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

Yea David, I understand all the angst with Irv, but he did hurt himself at work, it wasn't like he was playing a pickup basketball game. I'm just thinking about the plays that can be designed with Hock, Irv, JJ and AT on the field. If not this year, than next, but it could be an exciting TE combo. Smith is also a pretty willing blocker, so there's that too.

I'm not attached to Smith in any way, he could leave tomorrow and it would be met with a shrug by me, but it could be a fun group to watch!


What does hurting himself at work have to do with anything? He always hurts himself at work, and that's the problem.

I'd rather see Hock, JJ, AT, and KJ. Irv is done.

Often 'willing' blocker means ineffective. Sort of like a realtor saying a house is quaint.


Him hurting himself at work is the point Bill. I cant speak for you or anybody else, but I played tackle football until I was 24, it's a tough sport, people get hurt. All I'm saying is that he hurt himself trying to win a game. It's a shame for him, because now he ware's the tag as being fragile. I get it, he (like Cook) misses too much time, bummer, but I do believe that if you had him, Hock, JJ and AT on the field, it would be exciting stuff.

As for the "willing" comment, I just admire that he is willing to engage out there. I coached offensive line guys for 11 years, I know what effort looks like. I don't like that he hasn't finished a season without being injured, that doesn't make him a pariah, just an unfortunate sequence of events.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 6:51:43 PM   
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Darrisaw stopping the bull rush in its tracks. He was doing this all game:

https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/1587251536677273600

Nick puts out some good videos

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 11/1/2022 6:53:52 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 6:55:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

This is the kind of move by Kwesi that impresses me.

Targeting a young, very good player on a team that is unlikely going to be able to keep him.

Lions are the worst team in the NFL. What are they going to do with a 9M TE that they probably were unable to extend to a more friendly deal?

And by trading for him now, we get to kick the tires before deciding on what kind of extension we want to offer.

Worst case, we have him for 1.5 years.

I find it very sinister.

Building an offseason plan with Mundt and Irv ...

ending up with Hockensen a few hours short of the deadline.

There are obviously animal sacrifices going on here.


The reset year is 2024 for Vikings; they must think the window is this year and next.

Must be because 2024 would require full-on human sacrifices.

Right
I hate the idea of giving up years in hopes they do a rebuild correctly
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 7:06:18 PM   
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88 Receptions, 844 yards (9.6), 9TDs. Averages 4 YAC. Career Long: 36 Yards. 2 Broken Tackles, 2 Fumbles.

I was thrilled when we drafted him, and thought after 2020 that he had a chance to be decent (he did have 5 TDs on only 30 receptions), but the truth is he's rarely available and he's infinitely replaceable when he is.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 7:34:56 PM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		Great trade Kwesi!

Doesn't make up for the crap trade in the first last draft but it's a start. I'd rather have Jameson Williams than Hock but heck of trade none the less.

Hock should be a big upgrade to the position.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 7:39:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me this goes a long way taking the sting out of the bad draft trade. If not all but erase it.

We needed the help and didn't get rolled getting it. Kudos to Kwesi for building good relationships...even with the enemy.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 8:55:56 PM   
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To me this goes a long way taking the sting out of the bad draft trade. If not all but erase it.

We needed the help and didn't get rolled getting it. Kudos to Kwesi for building good relationships...even with the enemy.

Kwesi was playing the long con. Make an original bad deal and get everyone interested in trading with him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/2/2022 1:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		when I saw the trade I was hoping we got some of the value back from Detroit that we lost on draft day, looks like we did. TJ will be a great addition to this group. I can't really believe Detroit let him go, particularly to the Vikings. They must want us to win the division too. Everyone is tired of GB, blow Pack blow!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/2/2022 1:28:03 AM   
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Darrisaw stopping the bull rush in its tracks. He was doing this all game:

https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/1587251536677273600

All our guys pretty much stoned there guys on that play
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/2/2022 4:07:22 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/2/2022 4:09:55 AM   
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imo we should have picked up a starting right guard...big mistake...wonder if we've got a plan b for ed ingram?....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/2/2022 5:02:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe Ingram is on the wrong side, and would benefit greatly from playing next to Darrisaw.

And since Cleveland is built like a tackle, you move him to O'Neil's spot, and move O'Neill inside to better help Bradbury.

So it would be:

Darrisaw-Ingram-Bradbury-O'Niell-Cleveland

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