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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I'm still amazed they don't use JJ like Peyton uses Nix, of roll outs and short easy throws.

They cover up some of his deficiencies, KOC covers up none of JJs.

KOC says they gotta see what they got, but he loses his confidence, good luck

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I'm sorry, but all this Payton Manning, Josh Allen non-sense is just that non-sense.

The reality is most QBs fail at the QB position. it is incredibly hard. Those guy talents were completely different. Manning was one of the most prolific college passers of all time. Josh Allen did not take football seriously until he was in college.

JJ McCarthy played on a team with an elite D and running game, and threw the ball very little
There were all sorts of questions on his ability to throw on the NFL level. He was not a unanimous 1st round talent. Vies were very mixed on him.

He performed relatively well at the combine, which I think comforted some folks on his actual talent.

My problem, is he is like a ball of clay, he was easily the most unrefined of all the QBs taken. Not sure why they thought they could win in his first year of starting.
They have not cleaned up really anything with him.
He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket, for some reason like to take a short hop forward before he throws causing all sorts of accuracy issues.
I thought it was worth the pick because you just gotta have that franchise QB, but there are some real red flags right now.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think the Bears' big return would have been less likely if the Vikings had run the ball on the 1st down, and gotten their TD with 25 seconds, or 15 seconds left. The momentun would have felt differently, and I think the Vikings would have done a better job of covering the return, or even kicking it out of the end zone.

And it's also possible the Bears don't even have a chance for a return, had the Vikings run the ball the play right after the Nailor 1st down. I think the Bears likely would have stopped the Vikings a couple of times, but it was 4 down territory, and the Vikings would have found a way to get a TD.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I'm sorry, but all this Payton Manning, Josh Allen non-sense is just that non-sense.

The reality is most QBs fail at the QB position. it is incredibly hard. Those guy talents were completely different. Manning was one of the most prolific college passers of all time. Josh Allen did not take football seriously until he was in college.

JJ McCarthy played on a team with an elite D and running game, and threw the ball very little
There were all sorts of questions on his ability to throw on the NFL level. He was not a unanimous 1st round talent. Vies were very mixed on him.

He performed relatively well at the combine, which I think comforted some folks on his actual talent.

My problem, is he is like a ball of clay, he was easily the most unrefined of all the QBs taken. Not sure why they thought they could win in his first year of starting.
They have not cleaned up really anything with him.
He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket, for some reason like to take a short hop forward before he throws causing all sorts of accuracy issues.
I thought it was worth the pick because you just gotta have that franchise QB, but there are some real red flags right now.

Where was the Josh Allen, Peyton Manning talk?

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I'm sorry, but all this Payton Manning, Josh Allen non-sense is just that non-sense.

The reality is most QBs fail at the QB position. it is incredibly hard. Those guy talents were completely different. Manning was one of the most prolific college passers of all time. Josh Allen did not take football seriously until he was in college.

JJ McCarthy played on a team with an elite D and running game, and threw the ball very little
There were all sorts of questions on his ability to throw on the NFL level. He was not a unanimous 1st round talent. Vies were very mixed on him.

He performed relatively well at the combine, which I think comforted some folks on his actual talent.

My problem, is he is like a ball of clay, he was easily the most unrefined of all the QBs taken. Not sure why they thought they could win in his first year of starting.
They have not cleaned up really anything with him.
He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket, for some reason like to take a short hop forward before he throws causing all sorts of accuracy issues.
I thought it was worth the pick because you just gotta have that franchise QB, but there are some real red flags right now.

Where was the Josh Allen, Peyton Manning talk?

All over social media, peoples best argument for letting a QB "develop"

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I'm sorry, but all this Payton Manning, Josh Allen non-sense is just that non-sense.

The reality is most QBs fail at the QB position. it is incredibly hard. Those guy talents were completely different. Manning was one of the most prolific college passers of all time. Josh Allen did not take football seriously until he was in college.

JJ McCarthy played on a team with an elite D and running game, and threw the ball very little
There were all sorts of questions on his ability to throw on the NFL level. He was not a unanimous 1st round talent. Vies were very mixed on him.

He performed relatively well at the combine, which I think comforted some folks on his actual talent.

My problem, is he is like a ball of clay, he was easily the most unrefined of all the QBs taken. Not sure why they thought they could win in his first year of starting.
They have not cleaned up really anything with him.
He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket, for some reason like to take a short hop forward before he throws causing all sorts of accuracy issues.
I thought it was worth the pick because you just gotta have that franchise QB, but there are some real red flags right now.

Where was the Josh Allen, Peyton Manning talk?

All over social media, peoples best argument for letting a QB "develop"

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think the Bears' big return would have been less likely if the Vikings had run the ball on the 1st down, and gotten their TD with 25 seconds, or 15 seconds left. The momentun would have felt differently, and I think the Vikings would have done a better job of covering the return, or even kicking it out of the end zone.

And it's also possible the Bears don't even have a chance for a return, had the Vikings run the ball the play right after the Nailor 1st down. I think the Bears likely would have stopped the Vikings a couple of times, but it was 4 down territory, and the Vikings would have found a way to get a TD.

The idea that you are going to script run,run,run and then pass for TD with the way JJM had been playing is fantasy.

They scored.
They needed special teams to do their job.
Didn't happen.

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ORIGINAL: marty

14-3 had the 1st 4 scoring drives go for a FG, threw 4 INTs, but had the team in a position to win with 3 points.

1st 4 drives for 3 points, 1-4-3: 14-3.

4 INTs, but 3 points away, 61 yards away. So 3 points away, despite 4 Is : 3-4I, which is 14-3 backwards.

The numbers mean something, there is something in the numbers.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: marty

14-3 had the 1st 4 scoring drives go for a FG, threw 4 INTs, but had the team in a position to win with 3 points.

1st 4 drives for 3 points, 1-4-3: 14-3.

4 INTs, but 3 points away, 61 yards away. So 3 points away, despite 4 Is : 3-4I, which is 14-3 backwards.

The numbers mean something, there is something in the numbers.

Darnold isn't taking anyone to the promised land. Is he better than JJ? Sure. So what. I'd like this team to have an actual franchise qb one day.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: marty

14-3 had the 1st 4 scoring drives go for a FG, threw 4 INTs, but had the team in a position to win with 3 points.

1st 4 drives for 3 points, 1-4-3: 14-3.

4 INTs, but 3 points away, 61 yards away. So 3 points away, despite 4 Is : 3-4I, which is 14-3 backwards.

The numbers mean something, there is something in the numbers.

Darnold isn't taking anyone to the promised land. Is he better than JJ? Sure. So what. I'd like this team to have an actual franchise qb one day.

. It’s been 5 games..

I’m fine with him learning things like touch, passing lanes, moving in the pocket and running when he can..

He is ****ing 22..

When I was 22, I was a “ in excess of 400 feet”, undef water.. give or take.. and hated it..

I’m not seeing ponder in JJM at all..

Ponder was a pansy who couldn’t lead..

JjM is a kid with heart and desire..

If ST had done their fn job, he could well have had a CFB win that would have been a good offset for his jitters and outright bad throws..

To pretend his throws are trash is bias..

Gerald Goff has been horrible tonight in crunch time and on ALL his passes..

Shit happens.


JJM is our future..

Deal with it.

Dump Thielen, smith , Jones, Hockenson and keep drafting OL players like Jackson..

Nailor is money for his cost.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: marty

14-3 had the 1st 4 scoring drives go for a FG, threw 4 INTs, but had the team in a position to win with 3 points.

1st 4 drives for 3 points, 1-4-3: 14-3.

4 INTs, but 3 points away, 61 yards away. So 3 points away, despite 4 Is : 3-4I, which is 14-3 backwards.

The numbers mean something, there is something in the numbers.

Darnold isn't taking anyone to the promised land. Is he better than JJ? Sure. So what. I'd like this team to have an actual franchise qb one day.

. It’s been 5 games..

I’m fine with him learning things like touch, passing lanes, moving in the pocket and running when he can..

He is ****ing 22..

When I was 22, I was a “ in excess of 400 feet”, undef water.. give or take.. and hated it..

I’m not seeing ponder in JJM at all..

Ponder was a pansy who couldn’t lead..

JjM is a kid with heart and desire..

If ST had done their fn job, he could well have had a CFB win that would have been a good offset for his jitters and outright bad throws..

To pretend his throws are trash is bias..

Gerald Goff has been horrible tonight in crunch time and on ALL his passes..

Shit happens.


JJM is our future..

Deal with it.

Dump Thielen, smith , Jones, Hockenson and keep drafting OL players like Jackson..

Nailor is money for his cost.

His throws right now are trash. Of course we get to see if he can improve. But to pretend what he did today wasn't trash is laughable. You can't continue to be that inaccurate and play in this league. I'm not saying he's Ponder but so far he's probably worse comparatively. I do like the fact that he ups his game when it counts at the end of games though. The rest of the season is an exercise in seeing what we have in him. Plain and simple.