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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Have a couple of things going on so I won't be here much for a while. Dad has stage 4 cancer and Step Daughter just had a car accident on Saturday. Luckily her husband and the 18 month old twins are fine but she has multiple fractures in her right arm.

Driver was doing 70 in a 55. She was turning left 1.5 miles from our house to see us for Halloween at 12pm ish and was passing a farm tractor then taking a left. The driver tried passing the tractor and her car and then realized she was also taking a left. He flipped his Camero and was ejected (wasn't wearing a seat belt) and survived w/o a scratch somehow and the stepdaughters car (A Ford Focus) got spun around 1-2 times. Very grateful everyone survived.

Please take a look around and make sure you say what you have to who you can.....we could have lost 4 of our love ones Saturday.

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Get a Pro Bowl guard, and Jonathan Taylor, and the Vikings can compete with any team.

Or be stupid, do no trades, go 10-7, and pray the draft will shore up the weaknesses and make the team a contender somewhere down the line.

I just don't know how much incentive there is for Teasley to make a move this year.

He probably sees the QB situation as unfixable. (which is likely true)

That means any chance at winning it all is EXTREMELY REMOTE.

Trading draft picks away on a team he didn't build makes it harder for him to build the team he envisions.

I guess we'll see.

Agreed. Poor QB play is a big reason why the offense is arguably the worst in football. There are no QBs out there who are going to catch lightning in a bottle and help lead the team to the SB.

Teasley is going to face a huge challenge this offseason.

I think O'Connell's offense is just broken and he doesn't know how to fix it. The QB play this season with Murray looks the same to me as last year with JJM. In fact, this offense has pretty much been dog shite since week 16 2024. The only common denominator is O'Connell.

IMO, the offense itself isn't broken.
The offense + murray is completely broken.

If you check the link I posted.. and there are a bunch others out there...
There are guys getting open.
Guys getting open for easy completions that would be big gains.
Multiple TDs there for the taking.
Murray just not capable or not seeing it or not confident enough or who knows...

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....

I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching

I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB

The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

When Detroilet's defense lost FIVE starters to injury during this game, Kyler Murray was unable to take advantage. That to me is damning.

When we needed a drive, Kyler Murray led this offense to a 3 and out. When Our defense needed a breather he went 3 and out. When it mattered MOST, Kyler Murray didn't get the job done.

But the most damning part to me is JJ showing visible signs of frustration ON THE FIELD and ON THE SIDELINES.

This team wen't 6-0 despite having Kyler Murray as a QB. We lost because Kyler Murray couldn't get the job done when needed. Kyler Murray Missed WIDE OPEN guys repeatedly, his passes sailed overthrown many times. This team could be nearly unstoppable with an effective ball control offense, one that keeps moving the chains and dominates time of possession. That keeps the defense well rested and gives them a lead to work with. Kyler Murray has demonstrated to me that he is NOT the answer and that we have an window here that is closing fast because we don't get competent QB play. Wentz is no savior. But he runs it better than Murray.

I didn't come to this feeling just after losing one game. I felt this way three games ago. Wentz is the clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now.

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

When Detroilet's defense lost FIVE starters to injury during this game, Kyler Murray was unable to take advantage. That to me is damning.

When we needed a drive, Kyler Murray led this offense to a 3 and out. When Our defense needed a breather he went 3 and out. When it mattered MOST, Kyler Murray didn't get the job done.

But the most damning part to me is JJ showing visible signs of frustration ON THE FIELD and ON THE SIDELINES.

This team wen't 6-0 despite having Kyler Murray as a QB. We lost because Kyler Murray couldn't get the job done when needed. Kyler Murray Missed WIDE OPEN guys repeatedly, his passes sailed overthrown many times. This team could be nearly unstoppable with an effective ball control offense, one that keeps moving the chains and dominates time of possession. That keeps the defense well rested and gives them a lead to work with. Kyler Murray has demonstrated to me that he is NOT the answer and that we have an window here that is closing fast because we don't get competent QB play. Wentz is no savior. But he runs it better than Murray.

I didn't come to this feeling just after losing one game. I felt this way three games ago. Wentz is the clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now.

I may as well cheer for the other team if we are starting Wentz. We are doomed.

If Wentz started against Detroit they would have blitzed continually up the middle like they did against Darnold the year before and Wentz has zero mobility. Fries/RG is the most serious problem right now.

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there's a hell of a lot of daniel jones smoke blowing out there....

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

When Detroilet's defense lost FIVE starters to injury during this game, Kyler Murray was unable to take advantage. That to me is damning.

When we needed a drive, Kyler Murray led this offense to a 3 and out. When Our defense needed a breather he went 3 and out. When it mattered MOST, Kyler Murray didn't get the job done.

But the most damning part to me is JJ showing visible signs of frustration ON THE FIELD and ON THE SIDELINES.

This team wen't 6-0 despite having Kyler Murray as a QB. We lost because Kyler Murray couldn't get the job done when needed. Kyler Murray Missed WIDE OPEN guys repeatedly, his passes sailed overthrown many times. This team could be nearly unstoppable with an effective ball control offense, one that keeps moving the chains and dominates time of possession. That keeps the defense well rested and gives them a lead to work with. Kyler Murray has demonstrated to me that he is NOT the answer and that we have an window here that is closing fast because we don't get competent QB play. Wentz is no savior. But he runs it better than Murray.

I didn't come to this feeling just after losing one game. I felt this way three games ago. Wentz is the clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now.

I may as well cheer for the other team if we are starting Wentz. We are doomed.

If Wentz started against Detroit they would have blitzed continually up the middle like they did against Darnold the year before and Wentz has zero mobility. Fries/RG is the most serious problem right now.

I'm not in love with Wentz either.
But really? You don't think Wentz wins that game?
Kyler did not use his mobility much in that game... in fact I'd say he moved in the pocket pretty poorly.
I think Wentz wins that game pretty easily.
Can he make any noise going forward... I don't know... history would say probably not.
Such is Viking fandom.

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

When Detroilet's defense lost FIVE starters to injury during this game, Kyler Murray was unable to take advantage. That to me is damning.

When we needed a drive, Kyler Murray led this offense to a 3 and out. When Our defense needed a breather he went 3 and out. When it mattered MOST, Kyler Murray didn't get the job done.

But the most damning part to me is JJ showing visible signs of frustration ON THE FIELD and ON THE SIDELINES.

This team wen't 6-0 despite having Kyler Murray as a QB. We lost because Kyler Murray couldn't get the job done when needed. Kyler Murray Missed WIDE OPEN guys repeatedly, his passes sailed overthrown many times. This team could be nearly unstoppable with an effective ball control offense, one that keeps moving the chains and dominates time of possession. That keeps the defense well rested and gives them a lead to work with. Kyler Murray has demonstrated to me that he is NOT the answer and that we have an window here that is closing fast because we don't get competent QB play. Wentz is no savior. But he runs it better than Murray.

I didn't come to this feeling just after losing one game. I felt this way three games ago. Wentz is the clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now.

I may as well cheer for the other team if we are starting Wentz. We are doomed.

If Wentz started against Detroit they would have blitzed continually up the middle like they did against Darnold the year before and Wentz has zero mobility. Fries/RG is the most serious problem right now.

I'm not in love with Wentz either.
But really? You don't think Wentz wins that game?
Kyler did not use his mobility much in that game... in fact I'd say he moved in the pocket pretty poorly.
I think Wentz wins that game pretty easily.
Can he make any noise going forward... I don't know... history would say probably not.
Such is Viking fandom.

I don't. TOP would have been worse also as Kyler had a couple first downs and that is how Detroit beats you---TOP and at the end the defense hasn't very little left.

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Agree with all the bench Murray stuff...I never thought he would be this terrible....
I hope the hamstring is our way to a soft benching
I really think Wentz is much more a KOC type QB
The only thing that Murray brings, that Wentz doesn't, is he pretty good at protecting the ball. That said, it's been so anemic you have to live with Wentz's brain farts.

After 1 loss you want to go with Wentz?

Kyler drove us down and scored when needed and we didn't go for it on 4th and 5 after our Defense didn't stop Detroit the series before......I don't know if it still warrants the change.

I think our RG is our biggest problem right now. I think Fries is affecting the running game and passing game.

When Detroilet's defense lost FIVE starters to injury during this game, Kyler Murray was unable to take advantage. That to me is damning.

When we needed a drive, Kyler Murray led this offense to a 3 and out. When Our defense needed a breather he went 3 and out. When it mattered MOST, Kyler Murray didn't get the job done.

But the most damning part to me is JJ showing visible signs of frustration ON THE FIELD and ON THE SIDELINES.

This team wen't 6-0 despite having Kyler Murray as a QB. We lost because Kyler Murray couldn't get the job done when needed. Kyler Murray Missed WIDE OPEN guys repeatedly, his passes sailed overthrown many times. This team could be nearly unstoppable with an effective ball control offense, one that keeps moving the chains and dominates time of possession. That keeps the defense well rested and gives them a lead to work with. Kyler Murray has demonstrated to me that he is NOT the answer and that we have an window here that is closing fast because we don't get competent QB play. Wentz is no savior. But he runs it better than Murray.

I didn't come to this feeling just after losing one game. I felt this way three games ago. Wentz is the clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now.

I may as well cheer for the other team if we are starting Wentz. We are doomed.

If Wentz started against Detroit they would have blitzed continually up the middle like they did against Darnold the year before and Wentz has zero mobility. Fries/RG is the most serious problem right now.

I'm not in love with Wentz either.
But really? You don't think Wentz wins that game?
Kyler did not use his mobility much in that game... in fact I'd say he moved in the pocket pretty poorly.
I think Wentz wins that game pretty easily.
Can he make any noise going forward... I don't know... history would say probably not.
Such is Viking fandom.

I don't. TOP would have been worse also as Kyler had a couple first downs and that is how Detroit beats you---TOP and at the end the defense hasn't very little left.

I don't agree. Wentz likely throws to an open reciever and gets first downs and keeps drives going. I don't know how you think Kyler would be better here...I understand the mobility factor, but Wentz can see the open receiver and deliver the ball. I don't think you can determine who would have been better at TOP, but Wentz has run this offense better, which means more passes to open receivers delivered accurately. I personally believe THAT would have kept drives alive where Kuler's died and that would have won us this game. But that, is JMO

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Murray upside?

He needs to stand on a fricken rolling office chair to make plays..

He has to roll out to see past his line and the incoming rush..

Then his accuracy goes into the “Josh Freeman was throwing darts” hyperbole zone..