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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/14/2014 12:24:48 AM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/14/2014 8:22:32 AM   
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Five times the limit. Sheesh us.
Agreed
This just doesn't need to happen, esp people with money.
If I'm making a mill a year, I never drive again. It's that simple. Drivers are cheap. Use em.


Now I don't know what their legal limit is, but 5X still has to be close to alcohol poisoning also.


Yep........I had thought the same thing when I read five times. If our legal limit is now 0.08, that is a blood alcohol level of 0.4. Certainly close to being dead.

> 0.5, possibly death.

I read somewhere that D.R. limit is .05.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/14/2014 9:34:44 AM   
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Five times the limit. Sheesh us.
Agreed
This just doesn't need to happen, esp people with money.
If I'm making a mill a year, I never drive again. It's that simple. Drivers are cheap. Use em.


Now I don't know what their legal limit is, but 5X still has to be close to alcohol poisoning also.


Yep........I had thought the same thing when I read five times. If our legal limit is now 0.08, that is a blood alcohol level of 0.4. Certainly close to being dead.

> 0.5, possibly death.

I read somewhere that D.R. limit is .05.

You are correct
From Deadspin

http://deadspin.com/report-oscar-taveras-was-extremely-drunk-at-time-of-fa-1658138854

The Spanish version of the AP story contains a much longer quote from the spokesperson, who says that the toxicology report found that Taveras's blood-alcohol level was .287. The legal limit in the Dominican Republic is .05, so Taveras was driving with nearly six times the legal amount of alcohol in him.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/15/2014 6:12:14 AM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/16/2014 10:13:34 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 9:18:13 AM   
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Strange mix of stars and non-stars on the MLB All-Star team in Japan. You have Puig, Longoria, Morneau, Altuve. But you also have Nunez, Capuano.........and Butera.

We chuckled about that the other day
Can you call. That team "all-stars"?
With a straight face?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 10:31:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Giancarlo Stanton deal is apparently done: 13 years, $325M. But with an opt-out for him in 2019 or 2020. Largest in MLB history.

Somewhere, Mark is enraged and tipping a waitress a nickel as if it was the 50's.

Thoughts on this deal? I actually think it's pretty reasonable. He was probably going to make something like $12-15M this year in arbitration. And $20M+ in 2016 in arbitration. He's among the best players in baseball, isn't at his prime yet, the contract only takes him through age 37 and he's at a position where physical decline won't mean as much on defense. And the biggest point; an average annual salary of $25M/yr may look like chump change with TV deals going up around the sport in 5-6 years.

On the whole, Trout and Stanton both very well may have settled for well below-market deals. Sports franchises are flush with cash these days.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 10:35:23 AM   
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Giancarlo Stanton deal is apparently done: 13 years, $325M. But with an opt-out for him in 2019 or 2020. Largest in MLB history.

Somewhere, Mark is enraged and tipping a waitress a nickel as if it was the 50's.

Thoughts on this deal? I actually think it's pretty reasonable. He was probably going to make something like $12-15M this year in arbitration. And $20M+ in 2016 in arbitration. He's among the best players in baseball, isn't at his prime yet, the contract only takes him through age 37 and he's at a position where physical decline won't mean as much on defense. And the biggest point; an average annual salary of $25M/yr may look like chump change with TV deals going up around the sport in 5-6 years.

On the whole, Trout and Stanton both very well may have settled for well below-market deals. Sports franchises are flush with cash these days.


It's absolutely the stupidest deal ever inked in Major League baseball. I don't care how good the player is, nobody deserves a deal longer than 5 years and even then they have to be special. Invariably when signing a guy to a contract of longer terms the team usuallly ends up regretting the deal (with very few exceptions). to handcuff your team for 13 years...

and they have to realize that Stanton is coming off being beaned in the face. There's no telling how he will react to that beaning yet. He may end up being a mess and out of baseball except he'll keep donning the uniform for 12 more years to collect a paycheck.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 10:38:56 AM   
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Thoughts on this deal?


Deals like this make me realize why some parents play their kids into the ground.

Dreaming of a financial windfall while burning the kids out on the sport.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 10:51:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mariners second baseman Robinson Cano was ruled out for the remainder of the Japan Series after suffering a non-displaced fracture of the pinkie toe on his right foot during the eighth inning of Saturday's game against Samurai Japan.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:12:41 AM   
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Giancarlo Stanton deal is apparently done: 13 years, $325M. But with an opt-out for him in 2019 or 2020. Largest in MLB history.

Somewhere, Mark is enraged and tipping a waitress a nickel as if it was the 50's.

Thoughts on this deal? I actually think it's pretty reasonable. He was probably going to make something like $12-15M this year in arbitration. And $20M+ in 2016 in arbitration. He's among the best players in baseball, isn't at his prime yet, the contract only takes him through age 37 and he's at a position where physical decline won't mean as much on defense. And the biggest point; an average annual salary of $25M/yr may look like chump change with TV deals going up around the sport in 5-6 years.

On the whole, Trout and Stanton both very well may have settled for well below-market deals. Sports franchises are flush with cash these days.


Good stuff
Yup, CPAMan just had another desk chair incident.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:20:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cards trade Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins to the Braves for Jason Heyward and Jordan Walden.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:24:01 AM   
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Simply no need for those type of albatross-inducing anchors that you will have to work around every season.
No matter HOW good the guy is. No one can be THAT good or that valuable.
It's still a team sport.
Mauers contract has opened my eyes to this.
I felt we were handcuffed and had to do it. Nope. Wouldn't have made us any worse, by letting him walk away.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:29:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the big thing is age. Guys like Pujols, Miggy, Fielder, and yes, Mauer, were essentially paid for what they had already done. Kind of "make up" contracts for the peanuts they were making before relative to production, when you factor in age. Stanton and Trout are so young, they're kind of a different breed. You're not really paying for "massive downside" years with either of them. Hell, Stanton's actually may have just been for show if the opt-out is 2019 or 2020. Stanton would just be about 30 and would probably test the market and maybe get more. Meanwhile the Marlins can say "Look, we committed to $325" with perhaps no intention to actually do so.

Obviously not saying a 13 year deal doesn't have immense risk; of course it does. But I can see both sides of it.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:30:42 AM   
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Cards trade Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins to the Braves for Jason Heyward and Jordan Walden.


Wowsa. That's a true blockbuster trade. I've always loved Heyward, but thought he'd be better than this by now. Of course Cards fans think the same of Shelby Miller.

I wonder if an extension is coming for Heyward as part of the deal. He's set to be a FA after this season. Braves fans have to be semi-sick because he is EXTREMELY popular among their fan base. Always tons of jersey sales, the "Say Hey Kid", etc.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:42:39 AM   
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The Blue Jays have agreed to a deal with catcher Russell Martin, Peter Gammons reports (Twitter link). The contract is for five years (according to CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman) and $82MM (via FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal).

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:43:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's what makes the Cardinals' organization so great. Ridiculous depth and good drafting over the last several years. Lose one of the best OF prospects in the game to a tragic death in the offseason? You regroup and trade for one of the better all-around OF'ers in the game, still young.

And to do it you trade a guy (Shelby Miller) that any team would love to have. A 23 year old with tons of potential and very good success already. But they have so much depth, he's like a 4th or 5th starter for them right now. The fact that they only have to pay John Lackey $500K this year with that clause in this contract had to be a HUGE help in allowing this to happen as well.

Ya, not jealous of the Cardinals' organization at all... Really, it's all good...

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:43:32 AM   
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Russell Martin back to the AL

The Blue Jays have agreed to a deal with catcher Russell Martin, Peter Gammons reports (Twitter link). The contract is for five years (according to CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman) and $82MM (via FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal).


Insane money. I'd much rather pay Stanton $325M over 13 years than Martin $82M over 5.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:44:50 AM   
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The drunken owner ship just got back in to shore.
Wtf?
These are ridiculous contracts.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:45:34 AM   
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That's what makes the Cardinals' organization so great. Ridiculous depth and good drafting over the last several years. Lose one of the best OF prospects in the game to a tragic death in the offseason? You regroup and trade for one of the better all-around OF'ers in the game, still young.

And to do it you trade a guy (Shelby Miller) that any team would love to have. A 23 year old with tons of potential and very good success already. But they have so much depth, he's like a 4th or 5th starter for them right now. The fact that they only have to pay John Lackey $500K this year with that clause in this contract had to be a HUGE help in allowing this to happen as well.

Ya, not jealous of the Cardinals' organization at all... Really, it's all good...

Baseballs Patriots or Spurs

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:47:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good point on Stanton from Olney ..
He hasn't proven he's back from being hit in the face
Makes this even more crazy.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 11:49:20 AM   
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That's what makes the Cardinals' organization so great. Ridiculous depth and good drafting over the last several years. Lose one of the best OF prospects in the game to a tragic death in the offseason? You regroup and trade for one of the better all-around OF'ers in the game, still young.

And to do it you trade a guy (Shelby Miller) that any team would love to have. A 23 year old with tons of potential and very good success already. But they have so much depth, he's like a 4th or 5th starter for them right now. The fact that they only have to pay John Lackey $500K this year with that clause in this contract had to be a HUGE help in allowing this to happen as well.

Ya, not jealous of the Cardinals' organization at all... Really, it's all good...

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No doubt. You can hate and hate (and I'm guilty of it in the past) or you can sit back with respect.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 12:02:37 PM   
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Good point on Stanton from Olney ..
He hasn't proven he's back from being hit in the face
Makes this even more crazy.

That's what Trekkie said.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 12:08:10 PM   
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Russell Martin back to the AL

The Blue Jays have agreed to a deal with catcher Russell Martin, Peter Gammons reports (Twitter link). The contract is for five years (according to CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman) and $82MM (via FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal).



Are the Blue Jays gonna sign Liriano?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/17/2014 12:12:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know. I like Martin, and he's had a nice career. But he'll be 32 this season and his 2014 screams "Kurt Suzuki year". Of course the Jays have had success with hitters for years now (ahem, steroids, ahem). So maybe...

I always thought he'd be the most overpaid guy on the market given the lack of catching options this year and it looks like that may well be the case. Now the Twins can say they extended Suzuki for a bargain....

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